As long as there master has not given any orders on the contrary there is no reason a vampire couldn't just stake themselves or stay out during the day. If there master told them to live, defender there life to the best of there ability....etc then as a Dm I would say no you cannot.
Kinda my thoughts as well. DM's call. As for carrying it out, I guess, Step 1, destroy your own coffin so you can't mist and rematerialize? But then again, depending upon circumstances in which one is turned undead, is it actually mandatory that a vampire have a coffin?
An interesting turn of events in CoS has lead to considering this as a means for my character to survive. AND it would create next level existential angst for my character.
Which raises the question, would it make an Oath of Vengeance Paladin an Oathbreaker if it is still still possible for him to actually fulfill his Oath? In general I end the undead. I consider it as releasing their souls. HOWEVER my Oath does have a "focus." Namely to release my sister Elvira and Alucard, the vampire that turned her. I could complete those tasks even as a vampire.
I imagine it would force an alignment shift, but maybe I could sink no lower than perhaps Chaotic Neutral?
This is part of why I love D&D. The storyline, and the moral and ethical questions that it raises.
Kinda my thoughts as well. DM's call. As for carrying it out, I guess, Step 1, destroy your own coffin so you can't mist and rematerialize? But then again, depending upon circumstances in which one is turned undead, is it actually mandatory that a vampire have a coffin?
Without giving away details to the creature's characteristics, there are simpler ways for a vampire to end its existence. But the vampire doesn't require a coffin, but it does require a resting place which is the location where it transitioned to undeath.
I think disturbing/destroying the resting place would be difficult to achieve. It would depend on how your DM designates and defines where the vampire can rest.
A better plan is to prevent the vampire from returning to a resting place. If a vampire fails to return to its place of rest then it can't rematerialized and regenerate, and ultimately will be destroyed.
AHA! Final act, steps into river, falls upon his stake, rendered prone by stake, continiuosly taking 20 points acid damage. Reaches zero HP and due to moving water can't mist, move or rematerialize. Couple hours later, gone forever.
An interesting turn of events in CoS has lead to considering this as a means for my character to survive.
Wait, how would suicide be a means for your character to survive? In general, that's not how suicide works.
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Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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An interesting turn of events in CoS has lead to considering this as a means for my character to survive.
Wait, how would suicide be a means for your character to survive? In general, that's not how suicide works.
I'm guessing he turned vampire to survive, either willingly or unwillingly, and now seeks a way to destroy their own cursed existence.
The simplest form of vampiric suicide would seem to jump into running water or have a tanning day at the beach. It's gonna be a scorcher.
By the way an argument could be made that a recently turned vampire wouldn't change alignment right away. Usually the idea is that vampires live cursed prolonged lives. Isolated, feared, hated and needing to feed their bloodthirst, this causes them to have a sour view on mortals, eventually viewing them as cattle and over time they acquire evil tendencies. Also many vampires adhere to a lawful alignment, believing in societal and hierarchal structures - think in lines of Underworld/Van Helsing. If a character turned vampire is ordered by their master to do evil deeds, their shift can be quicker, although more forced.
If however there was some driving force that made them commit to a code of not doing evil deeds, feeding on wicked people and criminals and not innocents, you could design a good aligned vampire that's tilting toward neutral. Vengeance is definitely a strong motivator to stick to your convictions even when turned. Think in lines of Henry from the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter film. However if the thirst for vengeance is sated, I would expect the vampire to slowly or quickly turn to self-serving goals, that often align themselves with evil alignments.
Iteration 152, that is correct. Chaotic Good Oath of Vengeance Paladin survives, fulfills Oath, but can't stand living as that what he has hunted, and ultimately suicides.
RAW, your alignment changes the moment you are transformed into a vampire spawn. From the Monster Manual:
Player Characters as Vampires
...The character's alignment becomes lawful evil.
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Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Yes. I saw that after some additional research. But it doesn't matter. DM won't allow. Really quite adamant about it. I suspect that such would affect how he wants story line to run.
RAW, your alignment changes the moment you are transformed into a vampire spawn. From the Monster Manual:
Player Characters as Vampires
...The character's alignment becomes lawful evil.
RAW is always the best way to tell interesting and enthralling stories...
Edit: That was not meant to be a rude come-back. You answered the question in the OP. Still the above sentiment applies to story telling, the rule of cool as one might say.
The Dhampir lineage from Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft makes no note on alignment. If you're a full vampire, and not vampire spawn, I see no reason why your alignment needs to immediately change.
There's also a reason why the rule books - I forgot which ones but likely PHB and/or DMG - that PCs should generally not utilize monster races/characteristics, because there's no generalized way to go about it. It will always be an interpretation and that often opens up a lot of potential arguments between DMs and their Players.
That being said, if the DM is open to it, it can lead to some really interesting scenarios. But then to make that work, we're rarely following RAW.
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Within game rules/logic/mechanics can a Vampire chose to suicide rather than live under the curse?
As long as there master has not given any orders on the contrary there is no reason a vampire couldn't just stake themselves or stay out during the day. If there master told them to live, defender there life to the best of there ability....etc then as a Dm I would say no you cannot.
Kinda my thoughts as well. DM's call. As for carrying it out, I guess, Step 1, destroy your own coffin so you can't mist and rematerialize? But then again, depending upon circumstances in which one is turned undead, is it actually mandatory that a vampire have a coffin?
An interesting turn of events in CoS has lead to considering this as a means for my character to survive. AND it would create next level existential angst for my character.
Which raises the question, would it make an Oath of Vengeance Paladin an Oathbreaker if it is still still possible for him to actually fulfill his Oath? In general I end the undead. I consider it as releasing their souls. HOWEVER my Oath does have a "focus." Namely to release my sister Elvira and Alucard, the vampire that turned her. I could complete those tasks even as a vampire.
I imagine it would force an alignment shift, but maybe I could sink no lower than perhaps Chaotic Neutral?
This is part of why I love D&D. The storyline, and the moral and ethical questions that it raises.
Without giving away details to the creature's characteristics, there are simpler ways for a vampire to end its existence. But the vampire doesn't require a coffin, but it does require a resting place which is the location where it transitioned to undeath.
OK. So lacking coffin, would that "resting place" need to be disturbed/destroyed in order to prevent rematerialization?
I think disturbing/destroying the resting place would be difficult to achieve. It would depend on how your DM designates and defines where the vampire can rest.
A better plan is to prevent the vampire from returning to a resting place. If a vampire fails to return to its place of rest then it can't rematerialized and regenerate, and ultimately will be destroyed.
AHA! Final act, steps into river, falls upon his stake, rendered prone by stake, continiuosly taking 20 points acid damage. Reaches zero HP and due to moving water can't mist, move or rematerialize. Couple hours later, gone forever.
Wait, how would suicide be a means for your character to survive? In general, that's not how suicide works.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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I'm guessing he turned vampire to survive, either willingly or unwillingly, and now seeks a way to destroy their own cursed existence.
The simplest form of vampiric suicide would seem to jump into running water or have a tanning day at the beach. It's gonna be a scorcher.
By the way an argument could be made that a recently turned vampire wouldn't change alignment right away. Usually the idea is that vampires live cursed prolonged lives. Isolated, feared, hated and needing to feed their bloodthirst, this causes them to have a sour view on mortals, eventually viewing them as cattle and over time they acquire evil tendencies. Also many vampires adhere to a lawful alignment, believing in societal and hierarchal structures - think in lines of Underworld/Van Helsing. If a character turned vampire is ordered by their master to do evil deeds, their shift can be quicker, although more forced.
If however there was some driving force that made them commit to a code of not doing evil deeds, feeding on wicked people and criminals and not innocents, you could design a good aligned vampire that's tilting toward neutral. Vengeance is definitely a strong motivator to stick to your convictions even when turned. Think in lines of Henry from the Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter film. However if the thirst for vengeance is sated, I would expect the vampire to slowly or quickly turn to self-serving goals, that often align themselves with evil alignments.
Iteration 152, that is correct. Chaotic Good Oath of Vengeance Paladin survives, fulfills Oath, but can't stand living as that what he has hunted, and ultimately suicides.
RAW, your alignment changes the moment you are transformed into a vampire spawn. From the Monster Manual:
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Yes. I saw that after some additional research. But it doesn't matter. DM won't allow. Really quite adamant about it. I suspect that such would affect how he wants story line to run.
RAW is always the best way to tell interesting and enthralling stories...
Edit: That was not meant to be a rude come-back. You answered the question in the OP. Still the above sentiment applies to story telling, the rule of cool as one might say.
The Dhampir lineage from Van Richten's Guide to Ravenloft makes no note on alignment. If you're a full vampire, and not vampire spawn, I see no reason why your alignment needs to immediately change.
There's also a reason why the rule books - I forgot which ones but likely PHB and/or DMG - that PCs should generally not utilize monster races/characteristics, because there's no generalized way to go about it. It will always be an interpretation and that often opens up a lot of potential arguments between DMs and their Players.
That being said, if the DM is open to it, it can lead to some really interesting scenarios. But then to make that work, we're rarely following RAW.