A real life cart is about 4 ft long, 2-3 ft wide. A wagon is more like 8 ft long (not including horses and related gear) and 3-4 ft wide. But most likely closer to 3 ft than 4 ft. (has to fit on the same roads a cart is used on).
Here is RAW:
For 15 gp, you can buy a 200 lb cart.
A draft horse can carry 540 lbs.
Animals can pull x5 if they are pulling a vehicle, but you need to subtract the weight of a vehicle. Multiple animals add together how how much they can pull.
So one horse can pull a loaded cart of 540x5 = 2700 lbs, subtract the 200 lb cart = 2,500 lbs carge.
Two horses can 2700x2 -200 = 5200 lbs.
Here is what I would personally rule:
I would rule that the normal cart you get for 15 gp can not be pulled by more than 2 horses. For 3+ horses, you would need a wagon, which costs 35 gp and weighs 400 lbs.
Assuming 4 horses, 2700x4 -400 = 10,400 lbs. I could see even using 6 horses for a wagon, for 15,800 lbs. I
I would allow an easy vehicle check for a 1 horse cart, moderate for 2 horse cart/wagon, but require proficiency for that or more. For a 4 horse wagon it would be hard, and very hard for a 6 horse wagon.
I would probably let someone make an 8 horse team, but would require a reinforced wagon if you wanted to carry more than 15,800 lbs. Probably cost 100 gp and let them carry upto 21,000 lbs. DC would be Impossible (30).
10 horse team is ridiculous in my mind. Would only allow that in extreme circumstances and would deal with it on a case by case situation. Something like pulling a boat in a canal, etc.
would centaurs fall under the same principle of dragging a cart since there lower half is the same as a horse, you would take their total carrying capacity and multiply it by 5?
would centaurs fall under the same principle of dragging a cart since there lower half is the same as a horse, you would take their total carrying capacity and multiply it by 5?
Centaurs as a race are labeled as Medium, but can carry/drag like they are large.
Centaurs stat blocks, have an 18 STR score, and can drag 540lbs easily, (IE 18*15*2), so no you wouldn't multiply it by 5,
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What is the official size of a cart? want to know for grid size.
A real life cart is about 4 ft long, 2-3 ft wide. A wagon is more like 8 ft long (not including horses and related gear) and 3-4 ft wide. But most likely closer to 3 ft than 4 ft. (has to fit on the same roads a cart is used on).
Here is RAW:
For 15 gp, you can buy a 200 lb cart.
A draft horse can carry 540 lbs.
Animals can pull x5 if they are pulling a vehicle, but you need to subtract the weight of a vehicle. Multiple animals add together how how much they can pull.
So one horse can pull a loaded cart of 540x5 = 2700 lbs, subtract the 200 lb cart = 2,500 lbs carge.
Two horses can 2700x2 -200 = 5200 lbs.
Here is what I would personally rule:
I would rule that the normal cart you get for 15 gp can not be pulled by more than 2 horses. For 3+ horses, you would need a wagon, which costs 35 gp and weighs 400 lbs.
Assuming 4 horses, 2700x4 -400 = 10,400 lbs. I could see even using 6 horses for a wagon, for 15,800 lbs. I
I would allow an easy vehicle check for a 1 horse cart, moderate for 2 horse cart/wagon, but require proficiency for that or more. For a 4 horse wagon it would be hard, and very hard for a 6 horse wagon.
I would probably let someone make an 8 horse team, but would require a reinforced wagon if you wanted to carry more than 15,800 lbs. Probably cost 100 gp and let them carry upto 21,000 lbs. DC would be Impossible (30).
10 horse team is ridiculous in my mind. Would only allow that in extreme circumstances and would deal with it on a case by case situation. Something like pulling a boat in a canal, etc.
not the info i was looking for, i know this info because its in the rule book. I'm looking for size (like large) for grid reference.
The cart I called 2-3 ft wide and 4 ft long is "Medium" / a single 5ft square.
The Wagon I called 8 ft long is "Large" 10 x 10.
Neither of those sizes include the horse, which is always large. I would call 1 or 2 horses + a cart Large, while anything bigger than that is Huge.
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My take to a five-foot square on a grid.
Cart = 5 feet
Cart w/ horse = 10 feet - 2 squares
Wagon = 10 feet
Wagon w/ horse 15 feet - three squares
would centaurs fall under the same principle of dragging a cart since there lower half is the same as a horse, you would take their total carrying capacity and multiply it by 5?
Centaurs as a race are labeled as Medium, but can carry/drag like they are large.
Centaurs stat blocks, have an 18 STR score, and can drag 540lbs easily, (IE 18*15*2), so no you wouldn't multiply it by 5,