There are many ways to gain proficiency in skills at level 1. From race, class, and backgrounds. I am just wondering if there is a priority for them. Like if I were to go by order of race (variant human), class (warlock), backgrounds (Haunted One), I could have this: Race: Variant Human (Survival)
Class: Warlock (Arcana and Investigation)
Background: Haunted One (Religion and free option)
While, DnD Beyond fixes this by offering all other proficiency. Was this intentional? If not, what is the rules for this?
There is no formal priority. Go nuts and take what you like from the appropriate sources. That said, I usually choose the ones from class last, since there you have options, (as opposed to background which is more hard coded) and you don’t end up picking ones that overlap.
Backgrounds, PHB p125, says when talking about proficiencies: "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."
So the D&D beyond implementation is intentional and what the rules say.
Backgrounds, PHB p125, says when talking about proficiencies: "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."
So the D&D beyond implementation is intentional and what the rules say.
Beat me to it.
Yeah, backgrounds have the lowest priority and if they are taken you just pick a different one.
Technically, race and class don't have the same contingency. If you gain a skill from class that your race is proficient with, you can't choose a different one (unless the feature says otherwise). This mostly doesn't apply at level 1 because classes have like 6 to choose from.
Backgrounds, PHB p125, says when talking about proficiencies: "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."
Technically, race and class don't have the same contingency. If you gain a skill from class that your race is proficient with, you can't choose a different one (unless the feature says otherwise). This mostly doesn't apply at level 1 because classes have like 6 to choose from.
I don't see why not... the language used in the bolded text (emphasis mine) seems to indicate that Race/Class proficiency overlap would work the same way. After all, that is gaining the same proficiency from two different sources.
If it were only meant to work with Background proficiencies, then I would think it should read "If a character would gain the same proficiency from their Background and another source, [...]".
This is the first I'm ever hearing of this rule, and it kinda changes character creation. A lot.
Also, the new Tasha’s book has an optional rule that allows you to swap out skills from your class, race, or background to match your character concept. That might be another reason that D&D Beyond allows the flexibility. And IIRC, there has always been the option for the DM to allow retraining if you later regret choices you made along the way.
Tasha's optional rules indeed allow you to take whatever proficiency you want. Race, Class and Background just determine the amount of proficiencies you can take.
Before Tasha's (or when not using the optional rules) you could have a Tabaxi Rogue with the criminal/spy background. Because you are a Tabaxi you have proficiency with Stealth and Perception, these simply won't show up in the choices you can make for the rogue class:
Because each class has 5 or more (cleric has the least(5) and bard has the most(all of them)) proficiency options and to my knowledge no race gives more then 2 proficiencies they never clash. Just like race, backgrounds have fixed proficiencies, however these might clash, so the PHB gives a solution that wouldn't occur between just race and class or class and background.
Backgrounds, PHB p125, says when talking about proficiencies: "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."
Technically, race and class don't have the same contingency. If you gain a skill from class that your race is proficient with, you can't choose a different one (unless the feature says otherwise). This mostly doesn't apply at level 1 because classes have like 6 to choose from.
I don't see why not... the language used in the bolded text (emphasis mine) seems to indicate that Race/Class proficiency overlap would work the same way. After all, that is gaining the same proficiency from two different sources.
If it were only meant to work with Background proficiencies, then I would think it should read "If a character would gain the same proficiency from their Background and another source, [...]".
This is the first I'm ever hearing of this rule, and it kinda changes character creation. A lot.
It doesn't need to specifically mention backgrounds in the rule because it's in the Backgrounds section of the rules. Therefore implicitly linked to just backgrounds. If it was a more general rule it would have been written somewhere else.
You remember correctly afaik. However when there is 1 source static proficiencies and 1 source of dynamic proficiencies no conflict exists. Only when there's 2 sources of static proficiencies can a conflict occur. The conflict was preemptively handled by backgrounds making the static proficiency a dynamic one when the proficiency in question was already present.
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There are many ways to gain proficiency in skills at level 1. From race, class, and backgrounds. I am just wondering if there is a priority for them. Like if I were to go by order of race (variant human), class (warlock), backgrounds (Haunted One), I could have this:
Race: Variant Human (Survival)
Class: Warlock (Arcana and Investigation)
Background: Haunted One (Religion and free option)
While, DnD Beyond fixes this by offering all other proficiency. Was this intentional? If not, what is the rules for this?
There is no formal priority. Go nuts and take what you like from the appropriate sources.
That said, I usually choose the ones from class last, since there you have options, (as opposed to background which is more hard coded) and you don’t end up picking ones that overlap.
Backgrounds, PHB p125, says when talking about proficiencies: "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."
So the D&D beyond implementation is intentional and what the rules say.
Oooooooh. Thank you!
Beat me to it.
Yeah, backgrounds have the lowest priority and if they are taken you just pick a different one.
Technically, race and class don't have the same contingency. If you gain a skill from class that your race is proficient with, you can't choose a different one (unless the feature says otherwise). This mostly doesn't apply at level 1 because classes have like 6 to choose from.
I don't see why not... the language used in the bolded text (emphasis mine) seems to indicate that Race/Class proficiency overlap would work the same way. After all, that is gaining the same proficiency from two different sources.
If it were only meant to work with Background proficiencies, then I would think it should read "If a character would gain the same proficiency from their Background and another source, [...]".
This is the first I'm ever hearing of this rule, and it kinda changes character creation. A lot.
Also, the new Tasha’s book has an optional rule that allows you to swap out skills from your class, race, or background to match your character concept. That might be another reason that D&D Beyond allows the flexibility. And IIRC, there has always been the option for the DM to allow retraining if you later regret choices you made along the way.
Tasha's optional rules indeed allow you to take whatever proficiency you want. Race, Class and Background just determine the amount of proficiencies you can take.
Before Tasha's (or when not using the optional rules) you could have a Tabaxi Rogue with the criminal/spy background. Because you are a Tabaxi you have proficiency with Stealth and Perception, these simply won't show up in the choices you can make for the rogue class:
Because each class has 5 or more (cleric has the least(5) and bard has the most(all of them)) proficiency options and to my knowledge no race gives more then 2 proficiencies they never clash. Just like race, backgrounds have fixed proficiencies, however these might clash, so the PHB gives a solution that wouldn't occur between just race and class or class and background.
It doesn't need to specifically mention backgrounds in the rule because it's in the Backgrounds section of the rules. Therefore implicitly linked to just backgrounds. If it was a more general rule it would have been written somewhere else.
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IIRC there's nothing about proficiencies in the Race or Class sections though. This is the first place it is specifically called out.
You remember correctly afaik. However when there is 1 source static proficiencies and 1 source of dynamic proficiencies no conflict exists. Only when there's 2 sources of static proficiencies can a conflict occur. The conflict was preemptively handled by backgrounds making the static proficiency a dynamic one when the proficiency in question was already present.