I just picked up Waterdeep Dragon Heist, and in Volo's Waterdeep enchiridion it lists the the various temples found in Waterdeep, which includes the Halls of Justice dedicated to the deity Tyr. I'm not super well-versed in the history, but I have a player character (I'm the DM) who worships Torm, so I know that Torm assumed Tyr's position when Tyr died (via research in the forgotten realms wiki). Does Torm now go by Tyr's name now? Are the Halls of Justice now dedicated to the worship of Torm? Or is the temple still dedicated to Tyr even though he's dead? I know I could probably just decide whats true in my world, but I'm just curious if there is a more official explanation. Thanks!
Ah thanks! I forgot about the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. There's an entire section about the death and resurrection of the gods, so at some point after the Times of Trouble Tyr was resurrected.
Tyr was alive and mostly well after the Time of Troubles (he became blind as part of it, but that's no big deal to a god). Torm, however, died defending Tantras from Bane, but was restored by the Overgod Ao because he fell in defense of his portfolio.
However, following the Spellplague Tyr abdicated his godhood and instilled his powers and followers into Torm and Bahamut, because of some mumbo-jumbo. Subsequently, he died fending of a demonic incursion sometime between the end of the 3e FR era and 4e. But then he was restored and reinstated during the Second Sundering.
The real-life explanation is that when making 4th edition, Wizards done goofed. The game itself had its good and bad things, and the proto-setting Nentir Vale was kind of neat in its own limited way. But while they were at it, they decided to completely remake the Forgotten Realms by wrecking the way magic worked, have the planet merge with its alternate-dimension counterpart Abeir (replacing the continent Maztica and explaining why there were now suddenly dragonborn everywhere), and revamp most of the pantheon while moving the timeline about a century forward. This proved not to be a popular decision, so when they made 5e they had another world-shaking event that mostly ungoofed the previous goof. Hence, Tyr was dead in 4e FR but is alive in 5e.
I really wish they would just somehow reboot everything. Pull a "kelvin timeline", marvel multiverse event, and put us back to a normal world with a clean history. It's frustrating.
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I just picked up Waterdeep Dragon Heist, and in Volo's Waterdeep enchiridion it lists the the various temples found in Waterdeep, which includes the Halls of Justice dedicated to the deity Tyr. I'm not super well-versed in the history, but I have a player character (I'm the DM) who worships Torm, so I know that Torm assumed Tyr's position when Tyr died (via research in the forgotten realms wiki). Does Torm now go by Tyr's name now? Are the Halls of Justice now dedicated to the worship of Torm? Or is the temple still dedicated to Tyr even though he's dead? I know I could probably just decide whats true in my world, but I'm just curious if there is a more official explanation. Thanks!
According to the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, Torm is the god of duty and loyalty, while Tyr us the lord of justice.
And they are both alive in 5th edition.
Ah thanks! I forgot about the Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. There's an entire section about the death and resurrection of the gods, so at some point after the Times of Trouble Tyr was resurrected.
Tyr was alive and mostly well after the Time of Troubles (he became blind as part of it, but that's no big deal to a god). Torm, however, died defending Tantras from Bane, but was restored by the Overgod Ao because he fell in defense of his portfolio.
However, following the Spellplague Tyr abdicated his godhood and instilled his powers and followers into Torm and Bahamut, because of some mumbo-jumbo. Subsequently, he died fending of a demonic incursion sometime between the end of the 3e FR era and 4e. But then he was restored and reinstated during the Second Sundering.
The real-life explanation is that when making 4th edition, Wizards done goofed. The game itself had its good and bad things, and the proto-setting Nentir Vale was kind of neat in its own limited way. But while they were at it, they decided to completely remake the Forgotten Realms by wrecking the way magic worked, have the planet merge with its alternate-dimension counterpart Abeir (replacing the continent Maztica and explaining why there were now suddenly dragonborn everywhere), and revamp most of the pantheon while moving the timeline about a century forward. This proved not to be a popular decision, so when they made 5e they had another world-shaking event that mostly ungoofed the previous goof. Hence, Tyr was dead in 4e FR but is alive in 5e.
I really wish they would just somehow reboot everything. Pull a "kelvin timeline", marvel multiverse event, and put us back to a normal world with a clean history. It's frustrating.