I know that a lot of people think Spelljammer is goofy and whimsical. But hey, look at Wizards' latest adventure module! Wild Beyond the Witchlight is probably going down both of those routes. If anyone wants to share Spelljammer love here, put it in!
The spell "Dream of the Blue Veil" says you can travel to a "world on the Material Plane, such as Oerth, Toril, Krynn, or Eberron." We already know that it's possible to go from one setting to another. SpellJammer was a high concept thing, but how many threads have been about players who wanted to base their characters on someone from Star Wars?
While I have little use for SpellJammer myself, I'd find it far more useful than yet another Magic The Gathering setting book, or a Feywild setting book that treats a very dangerous place like a happy fun carnival.
I hope never. Call it sacrilege, but Sci-fi is often just plain bad in 5e. Look at the Modern Magics UA for proof.
For me Spelljammer isn't Sci-Fi. It's fantasy D&D, in a fantasy version of space, where people travel on magic ships powered by fantasy style spellslots, to fantasy worlds. It's ballistas, pirate style boarding action and magic missiles rather than photon torpedoes and setting phasers to stun.
And yes, 5e Spelljammer is on the top of my setting/rule wishlist. If we get that, and some kind of Planescape/Manual of the Planes book, the edition is complete for me.
In my current campaign the players will (hopefully) enter Wildspace on a jammer in a couple of levels and spend time on The Rock. I'm using a mash of DM's guild stuff and my own home-brewed interpretations of the old material. A WotC 5e Spelljammer setting/rules would make this much easier.
While I have little use for SpellJammer myself, I'd find it far more useful than yet another Magic The Gathering setting book, or a Feywild setting book that treats a very dangerous place like a happy fun carnival.
Besides me having much use for Spelljammer, I agree. WotC seems at the moment to be targeting new and very young players. It's probably great from a business perspective and for keeping the hobby healthy and expanding.
But for us old grognards that want 5e versions of our classic settings, it doesn't bode well. And if Wiz can transform the Feywild into a fight-free happy stroll where you cuddle rabbit folks, I am a bit worried about what a child-friendly Spelljammer setting would look like.
While I have little use for SpellJammer myself, I'd find it far more useful than yet another Magic The Gathering setting book, or a Feywild setting book that treats a very dangerous place like a happy fun carnival.
Besides me having much use for Spelljammer, I agree. WotC seems at the moment to be targeting new and very young players. It's probably great from a business perspective and for keeping the hobby healthy and expanding.
But for us old grognards that want 5e versions of our classic settings, it doesn't bode well. And if Wiz can transform the Feywild into a fight-free happy stroll where you cuddle rabbit folks, I am a bit worried about what a child-friendly Spelljammer setting would look like.
I like to invent my own "psuedo-science" (as one of my players calls it) lore, so I don't have much use for a book that tells me planar canon. But it would be cool to see some modules published in that setting. I could probably re-skin them in my world.
The spell "Dream of the Blue Veil" says you can travel to a "world on the Material Plane, such as Oerth, Toril, Krynn, or Eberron." We already know that it's possible to go from one setting to another. SpellJammer was a high concept thing, but how many threads have been about players who wanted to base their characters on someone from Star Wars?
While I have little use for SpellJammer myself, I'd find it far more useful than yet another Magic The Gathering setting book, or a Feywild setting book that treats a very dangerous place like a happy fun carnival.
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I'd also like to point out that Candlekeep Mysteries wasn't really childish, and you've had two massive horror books in the past year (ID: RotF and VRGtR), as well as two books that are also not clearly targeted at kids and seem serious enough (TCoE and FToD), so saying "Everything has gone childish" because WotC has introduced the Feywild as a child friendly place and also partnered with MtG on Strixhaven (which in and of itself is less childish and more college student) is inherently a falsehood.
They're (WotC) actually appealing to a larger playgroup, and so it is not bad that WBtW targets children, though it kinda sucks for us who are less satisfied with the product's marketing, at least.
This does not mean that a Dark Sun setting wouldn't be dark - they may remove the racist tropes and all that, but it would still be dark - or that a Spelljammer book would be for children (though its inherent weirdness and, dear I say it, stupidity begs otherwise - I have no need of bad space ideas and crystal spheres, the Flat Earthers have enough of that for the whole world). You're just focusing on the broader diversification of 5e and saying "eww, it doesn't give me what I want so boycott".
This isn't intended as a mockery or anything, it's just a clarification.
You're just focusing on the broader diversification of 5e and saying "eww, it doesn't give me what I want so boycott".
This isn't intended as a mockery or anything, it's just a clarification.
I haven't seen any post that are negative to diversification or that want to boycott?
And it's great that you are defending and nuancing WotC's production line from the last years. The Feywild book is still marketed explicitly as "adventures for all ages", and Strixhaven - college or not - will still be Harry Potter for many of us older gamers that don't understand MtG.Those are two of the falls books, and that combined with current WotC sale demographics where only a quarter of customers are 35 years or older makes it easy to draw conclusions about the age span Wiz is focusing on.
And yes, a 5e Dark Sun may be dark, and 5e Spelljammer may not be childish. But then again, the opposite is equally plausible, we don't know yet.
Personally, I don't think we get Dark Sun. There's so much retconning and cleaning up to do for the setting to be presentable today. And I don't think neither the old fans nor younger gamers would find the setting attractive in that shape. The same is probably true about an original style Spelljammer setting - my guess is that we get a few pages of some sort of Planejamming at best.
But I still have hope! WotC may surprise us with a meaty Spelljammer book with only just enough changes to make good sales to a new and younger consumer group. And I am really hyped about Fizban's, it has potential to be the best Wiz book in years :-)
You're just focusing on the broader diversification of 5e and saying "eww, it doesn't give me what I want so boycott".
This isn't intended as a mockery or anything, it's just a clarification.
I haven't seen any post that are negative to diversification or that want to boycott?
And it's great that you are defending and nuancing WotC's production line from the last years. The Feywild book is still marketed explicitly as "adventures for all ages", and Strixhaven - college or not - will still be Harry Potter for many of us older gamers that don't understand MtG.Those are two of the falls books, and that combined with current WotC sale demographics where only a quarter of customers are 35 years or older makes it easy to draw conclusions about the age span Wiz is focusing on.
And yes, a 5e Dark Sun may be dark, and 5e Spelljammer may not be childish. But then again, the opposite is equally plausible, we don't know yet.
Personally, I don't think we get Dark Sun. There's so much retconning and cleaning up to do for the setting to be presentable today. And I don't think neither the old fans nor younger gamers would find the setting attractive in that shape. The same is probably true about an original style Spelljammer setting - my guess is that we get a few pages of some sort of Planejamming at best.
But I still have hope! WotC may surprise us with a meaty Spelljammer book with only just enough changes to make good sales to a new and younger consumer group. And I am really hyped about Fizban's, it has potential to be the best Wiz book in years :-)
Sure does! If you want more info (which you probably already know) check the link in my signature.
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You're just focusing on the broader diversification of 5e and saying "eww, it doesn't give me what I want so boycott".
This isn't intended as a mockery or anything, it's just a clarification.
I haven't seen any post that are negative to diversification or that want to boycott?
And it's great that you are defending and nuancing WotC's production line from the last years. The Feywild book is still marketed explicitly as "adventures for all ages", and Strixhaven - college or not - will still be Harry Potter for many of us older gamers that don't understand MtG.Those are two of the falls books, and that combined with current WotC sale demographics where only a quarter of customers are 35 years or older makes it easy to draw conclusions about the age span Wiz is focusing on.
And yes, a 5e Dark Sun may be dark, and 5e Spelljammer may not be childish. But then again, the opposite is equally plausible, we don't know yet.
Personally, I don't think we get Dark Sun. There's so much retconning and cleaning up to do for the setting to be presentable today. And I don't think neither the old fans nor younger gamers would find the setting attractive in that shape. The same is probably true about an original style Spelljammer setting - my guess is that we get a few pages of some sort of Planejamming at best.
But I still have hope! WotC may surprise us with a meaty Spelljammer book with only just enough changes to make good sales to a new and younger consumer group. And I am really hyped about Fizban's, it has potential to be the best Wiz book in years :-)
Sure does! If you want more info (which you probably already know) check the link in my signature.
I’m actually looking forward to Wild Beyond the Witchlight. A Feywild adventure sounds pretty cool and should give me some ideas for my campaign.
It's great if Wizards manage to appeal to younger players now. That 13 year old player who gets into D&D through Strixhaven may well be a 40 year old player in your campaign with 27 years of D&D under their belt one day.
I've also DM'd for kids as young as 10 and some people play with even younger players. There needs to be a range of material for players of all ages. And looking at Candlekeep Mysteries, there's adventures featuring whole families being massacred by dark spirits and all sorts. To suggest that WOTC are somehow aiming only at the young is silly.
Regarding Spelljammer, I think it's too niche to be worth WOTC time resurrecting right now if it's only intended to appeal to a small part of the core audience. I'm able to mix in a Candlekeep Mystery or two into my homebrew campaign with only minimal changes, but Spelljammer requires you to campaign there (or at least by high enough level to plane shift for a while). I'd rather see WOTC focus on material that can broadly be applied to most settings, otherwise it's of no use to me (and most DM's) at all.
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I know that a lot of people think Spelljammer is goofy and whimsical. But hey, look at Wizards' latest adventure module! Wild Beyond the Witchlight is probably going down both of those routes. If anyone wants to share Spelljammer love here, put it in!
I hope never. Call it sacrilege, but Sci-fi is often just plain bad in 5e. Look at the Modern Magics UA for proof.
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The spell "Dream of the Blue Veil" says you can travel to a "world on the Material Plane, such as Oerth, Toril, Krynn, or Eberron." We already know that it's possible to go from one setting to another. SpellJammer was a high concept thing, but how many threads have been about players who wanted to base their characters on someone from Star Wars?
While I have little use for SpellJammer myself, I'd find it far more useful than yet another Magic The Gathering setting book, or a Feywild setting book that treats a very dangerous place like a happy fun carnival.
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For me Spelljammer isn't Sci-Fi. It's fantasy D&D, in a fantasy version of space, where people travel on magic ships powered by fantasy style spellslots, to fantasy worlds. It's ballistas, pirate style boarding action and magic missiles rather than photon torpedoes and setting phasers to stun.
And yes, 5e Spelljammer is on the top of my setting/rule wishlist. If we get that, and some kind of Planescape/Manual of the Planes book, the edition is complete for me.
In my current campaign the players will (hopefully) enter Wildspace on a jammer in a couple of levels and spend time on The Rock. I'm using a mash of DM's guild stuff and my own home-brewed interpretations of the old material. A WotC 5e Spelljammer setting/rules would make this much easier.
Besides me having much use for Spelljammer, I agree. WotC seems at the moment to be targeting new and very young players. It's probably great from a business perspective and for keeping the hobby healthy and expanding.
But for us old grognards that want 5e versions of our classic settings, it doesn't bode well. And if Wiz can transform the Feywild into a fight-free happy stroll where you cuddle rabbit folks, I am a bit worried about what a child-friendly Spelljammer setting would look like.
Good points.
I like to invent my own "psuedo-science" (as one of my players calls it) lore, so I don't have much use for a book that tells me planar canon. But it would be cool to see some modules published in that setting. I could probably re-skin them in my world.
Check my signature. It’s not, the entrance is.
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I'd also like to point out that Candlekeep Mysteries wasn't really childish, and you've had two massive horror books in the past year (ID: RotF and VRGtR), as well as two books that are also not clearly targeted at kids and seem serious enough (TCoE and FToD), so saying "Everything has gone childish" because WotC has introduced the Feywild as a child friendly place and also partnered with MtG on Strixhaven (which in and of itself is less childish and more college student) is inherently a falsehood.
They're (WotC) actually appealing to a larger playgroup, and so it is not bad that WBtW targets children, though it kinda sucks for us who are less satisfied with the product's marketing, at least.
This does not mean that a Dark Sun setting wouldn't be dark - they may remove the racist tropes and all that, but it would still be dark - or that a Spelljammer book would be for children (though its inherent weirdness and, dear I say it, stupidity begs otherwise - I have no need of bad space ideas and crystal spheres, the Flat Earthers have enough of that for the whole world). You're just focusing on the broader diversification of 5e and saying "eww, it doesn't give me what I want so boycott".
This isn't intended as a mockery or anything, it's just a clarification.
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I haven't seen any post that are negative to diversification or that want to boycott?
And it's great that you are defending and nuancing WotC's production line from the last years. The Feywild book is still marketed explicitly as "adventures for all ages", and Strixhaven - college or not - will still be Harry Potter for many of us older gamers that don't understand MtG.Those are two of the falls books, and that combined with current WotC sale demographics where only a quarter of customers are 35 years or older makes it easy to draw conclusions about the age span Wiz is focusing on.
And yes, a 5e Dark Sun may be dark, and 5e Spelljammer may not be childish. But then again, the opposite is equally plausible, we don't know yet.
Personally, I don't think we get Dark Sun. There's so much retconning and cleaning up to do for the setting to be presentable today. And I don't think neither the old fans nor younger gamers would find the setting attractive in that shape. The same is probably true about an original style Spelljammer setting - my guess is that we get a few pages of some sort of Planejamming at best.
But I still have hope! WotC may surprise us with a meaty Spelljammer book with only just enough changes to make good sales to a new and younger consumer group. And I am really hyped about Fizban's, it has potential to be the best Wiz book in years :-)
Sure does! If you want more info (which you probably already know) check the link in my signature.
This isn't actually a signature, just something I copy and paste onto the bottom of all my posts. Or is it? Yep, it is. Or is it..? I’m a hobbit, and the master cranial imploder of the "Oops, I Accidently Destroyed Someone's Brain" cult. Extended sig. I'm actually in Limbo, it says I'm in Mechanus because that's where I get my WiFi from. Please don't tell the modrons, they're still angry from the 'Spawning Stone' fiasco.
No connection to Dragonslayer8 other than knowing them in real life.
I’m actually looking forward to Wild Beyond the Witchlight. A Feywild adventure sounds pretty cool and should give me some ideas for my campaign.
It's great if Wizards manage to appeal to younger players now. That 13 year old player who gets into D&D through Strixhaven may well be a 40 year old player in your campaign with 27 years of D&D under their belt one day.
I've also DM'd for kids as young as 10 and some people play with even younger players. There needs to be a range of material for players of all ages. And looking at Candlekeep Mysteries, there's adventures featuring whole families being massacred by dark spirits and all sorts. To suggest that WOTC are somehow aiming only at the young is silly.
Regarding Spelljammer, I think it's too niche to be worth WOTC time resurrecting right now if it's only intended to appeal to a small part of the core audience. I'm able to mix in a Candlekeep Mystery or two into my homebrew campaign with only minimal changes, but Spelljammer requires you to campaign there (or at least by high enough level to plane shift for a while). I'd rather see WOTC focus on material that can broadly be applied to most settings, otherwise it's of no use to me (and most DM's) at all.