It's a 3rd level paladin spell that Clerics can now use through Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. However, my divine soul sorcerer cannot learn this spell on my dndbeyond character sheet. Is this an implementation problem with the new book or am I missing some other reason why a Divine Soul Sorcerer can't learn this spell? I am in a campaign where Tasha's has been shared, and I can see other Tasha's specific sorcerer spells, but not Cleric ones.
Edit: I made sure additional class spell features are turned on in my character sheet, it still does not show up.
I wouldn't expect optional spells to show up in your DS sorc spell list. The extra spells only get added when you opt to add them. Since they aren't automatically added to a base clerics spell list, you shouldn't expect them to show up on your spell list. If you still want the spell, and your DM is cool with it, you need to homebrew it in, most likely through a feat or a modified DS subclass.
Assuming you can see pre-Tasha’s Cleric spells, I expect it simply still needs to be implemented. Getting all of Tasha’s correctly implemented across all of DDB’s options is a lot of work, and DDB hasn’t had access to Tasha’s contents all that much longer than us regular players have.
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It's a cleric spell now, and DSS have access to all cleric spells. It shouldn't need to be homebrewed. I suspect the other reply is correct and they haven't implemented everything yet.
It's a cleric spell now, and DSS have access to all cleric spells. It shouldn't need to be homebrewed. I suspect the other reply is correct and they haven't implemented everything yet.
Incorrect. There was a mod note on a post that said the following:
Public Mod Note (Timer): Expanded Spell Lists is a Class Feature, the Class feature for the Cleric will not apply to the Subclass of Sorcerer.
So the intent by D&D Beyond is that it will not apply. Crawford at one point in 2017 said that any spell on the Cleric list could be taken as a Divine Soul Sorcerer, but we're now getting into the problem that 3.5 and AD&D 2nd had where you have conflicting sources giving alternate information and abilities. As A DM, I wouldn't care but the intent from D&D Beyond has been stated.
It's a cleric spell now, and DSS have access to all cleric spells. It shouldn't need to be homebrewed. I suspect the other reply is correct and they haven't implemented everything yet.
Incorrect. There was a mod note on a post that said the following:
Public Mod Note (Timer): Expanded Spell Lists is a Class Feature, the Class feature for the Cleric will not apply to the Subclass of Sorcerer.
So the intent by D&D Beyond is that it will not apply. Crawford at one point in 2017 said that any spell on the Cleric list could be taken as a Divine Soul Sorcerer, but we're now getting into the problem that 3.5 and AD&D 2nd had where you have conflicting sources giving alternate information and abilities. As A DM, I wouldn't care but the intent from D&D Beyond has been stated.
So the extra Cleric spells from Xanathar’s are available to Divine Soul sorcerers, but the ones from Tasha’s are not because the latter is framed as a class feature? Feels a bit odd, but ok.
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It's a cleric spell now, and DSS have access to all cleric spells. It shouldn't need to be homebrewed. I suspect the other reply is correct and they haven't implemented everything yet.
Incorrect. There was a mod note on a post that said the following:
Public Mod Note (Timer): Expanded Spell Lists is a Class Feature, the Class feature for the Cleric will not apply to the Subclass of Sorcerer.
So the intent by D&D Beyond is that it will not apply. Crawford at one point in 2017 said that any spell on the Cleric list could be taken as a Divine Soul Sorcerer, but we're now getting into the problem that 3.5 and AD&D 2nd had where you have conflicting sources giving alternate information and abilities. As A DM, I wouldn't care but the intent from D&D Beyond has been stated.
So the extra Cleric spells from Xanathar’s are available to Divine Soul sorcerers, but the ones from Tasha’s are not because the latter is framed as a class feature? Feels a bit odd, but ok.
Xanathar was added to the base Cleric list, no optional checkboxes required. Tashas are not, you have to allow your characters to add those spells. Due to this, they aren't on the base list, and since they aren't on the base list, they aren't on the Divine Sorcerer list.
It's a cleric spell now, and DSS have access to all cleric spells. It shouldn't need to be homebrewed. I suspect the other reply is correct and they haven't implemented everything yet.
Incorrect. There was a mod note on a post that said the following:
Public Mod Note (Timer): Expanded Spell Lists is a Class Feature, the Class feature for the Cleric will not apply to the Subclass of Sorcerer.
So the intent by D&D Beyond is that it will not apply. Crawford at one point in 2017 said that any spell on the Cleric list could be taken as a Divine Soul Sorcerer, but we're now getting into the problem that 3.5 and AD&D 2nd had where you have conflicting sources giving alternate information and abilities. As A DM, I wouldn't care but the intent from D&D Beyond has been stated.
So the extra Cleric spells from Xanathar’s are available to Divine Soul sorcerers, but the ones from Tasha’s are not because the latter is framed as a class feature? Feels a bit odd, but ok.
Xanathar was added to the base Cleric list, no optional checkboxes required. Tashas are not, you have to allow your characters to add those spells. Due to this, they aren't on the base list, and since they aren't on the base list, they aren't on the Divine Sorcerer list.
I get that. Xanathar’s explicitly suggests DMs might want to treat those spells as optional though, so... a little bit odd nonetheless. However, that Mod Note you quoted doesn’t say anything about being optional - it says those spells are a class feature for clerics (and not for sorcerers, Divine Soul or otherwise).
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I think the difference between Xanathar's and Tasha's is that one added to the base list and said you may want to consider it optional. The other said these are optional, and if you so opt you can add it to the base list.
It's a cleric spell now, and DSS have access to all cleric spells. It shouldn't need to be homebrewed. I suspect the other reply is correct and they haven't implemented everything yet.
Incorrect. There was a mod note on a post that said the following:
Public Mod Note (Timer): Expanded Spell Lists is a Class Feature, the Class feature for the Cleric will not apply to the Subclass of Sorcerer.
So the intent by D&D Beyond is that it will not apply. Crawford at one point in 2017 said that any spell on the Cleric list could be taken as a Divine Soul Sorcerer, but we're now getting into the problem that 3.5 and AD&D 2nd had where you have conflicting sources giving alternate information and abilities. As A DM, I wouldn't care but the intent from D&D Beyond has been stated.
So the extra Cleric spells from Xanathar’s are available to Divine Soul sorcerers, but the ones from Tasha’s are not because the latter is framed as a class feature? Feels a bit odd, but ok.
Xanathar was added to the base Cleric list, no optional checkboxes required. Tashas are not, you have to allow your characters to add those spells. Due to this, they aren't on the base list, and since they aren't on the base list, they aren't on the Divine Sorcerer list.
I get that. Xanathar’s explicitly suggests DMs might want to treat those spells as optional though, so... a little bit odd nonetheless. However, that Mod Note you quoted doesn’t say anything about being optional - it says those spells are a class feature for clerics (and not for sorcerers, Divine Soul or otherwise).
I don’t think the mod note has to state they are optional, as the source material specifically states it is optional.
To your Xanathar point, it states this about spells:
Many of the character classes in thePlayer’s Handbook harness magic in the form of spells. This chapter provides new spells for those classes, as well as for spellcasting monsters. The Dungeon Master decides which of these spells are available in a campaign and how they can be learned. For example, a DM might decide that some of the spells are freely available, that others are unobtainable, and that a handful can be found only after a special quest, perhaps discovered in a long-lost tome of magic. Wizard spells, in particular, can be introduced to a campaign in spellbooks found as treasure.
When a DM adds spells to a campaign, clerics, druids, and paladins require special consideration. When characters of those classes prepare their spells, they have access to the entire spell list for their class. Given that fact, the DM should be cautious about making all of these new spells available to a player who is overwhelmed when presented with many options. For such a player, consider adding only story-appropriate spells to the spell list of that player’s character.
So what it is saying here is that ANY spell is at DM discretion, which is 100% true. The spells listed in Xanathar were 100% added to spell lists, but as always the DM has final say on what spells were added but they are on the list 100% of the time.
This may be my ignorance of DM'ing showing.. But isn't everything optional and up to the DM in the end? To me it seems like the main reason they won't show up on the Sorc's spelllist is due to how DnDBeyond has chosen to really highlight the "optional" part of some of the features in tasha's.. which sort of makes em an awkward addon on the website itself, where as they're just probablt ment to be optional in the same sense that so many other things in 5e is optional..
About the feature thing.. isn't the initial spellcasting iself also a "class feature" though? I don't understand why there'd be a distiction there.
Our DM allows the optional spells from Tasha's. Makes the Divine Soul with a one level dip into life cleric ridiculous. Extended aura of vitality with disciple of life. Entire is healed up to full hit points after 90% of the encounters. Never mind the heavily armored nuker when necessary during said battles that can simply quicken bless and then dodge/shield the rest of the combat when nuking isn't viable.
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It's a 3rd level paladin spell that Clerics can now use through Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. However, my divine soul sorcerer cannot learn this spell on my dndbeyond character sheet. Is this an implementation problem with the new book or am I missing some other reason why a Divine Soul Sorcerer can't learn this spell? I am in a campaign where Tasha's has been shared, and I can see other Tasha's specific sorcerer spells, but not Cleric ones.
Edit: I made sure additional class spell features are turned on in my character sheet, it still does not show up.
I wouldn't expect optional spells to show up in your DS sorc spell list. The extra spells only get added when you opt to add them. Since they aren't automatically added to a base clerics spell list, you shouldn't expect them to show up on your spell list. If you still want the spell, and your DM is cool with it, you need to homebrew it in, most likely through a feat or a modified DS subclass.
Assuming you can see pre-Tasha’s Cleric spells, I expect it simply still needs to be implemented. Getting all of Tasha’s correctly implemented across all of DDB’s options is a lot of work, and DDB hasn’t had access to Tasha’s contents all that much longer than us regular players have.
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It's a cleric spell now, and DSS have access to all cleric spells. It shouldn't need to be homebrewed. I suspect the other reply is correct and they haven't implemented everything yet.
Incorrect. There was a mod note on a post that said the following:
Public Mod Note (Timer): Expanded Spell Lists is a Class Feature, the Class feature for the Cleric will not apply to the Subclass of Sorcerer.
So the intent by D&D Beyond is that it will not apply. Crawford at one point in 2017 said that any spell on the Cleric list could be taken as a Divine Soul Sorcerer, but we're now getting into the problem that 3.5 and AD&D 2nd had where you have conflicting sources giving alternate information and abilities. As A DM, I wouldn't care but the intent from D&D Beyond has been stated.
So the extra Cleric spells from Xanathar’s are available to Divine Soul sorcerers, but the ones from Tasha’s are not because the latter is framed as a class feature? Feels a bit odd, but ok.
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
Xanathar was added to the base Cleric list, no optional checkboxes required. Tashas are not, you have to allow your characters to add those spells. Due to this, they aren't on the base list, and since they aren't on the base list, they aren't on the Divine Sorcerer list.
I get that. Xanathar’s explicitly suggests DMs might want to treat those spells as optional though, so... a little bit odd nonetheless. However, that Mod Note you quoted doesn’t say anything about being optional - it says those spells are a class feature for clerics (and not for sorcerers, Divine Soul or otherwise).
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I think the difference between Xanathar's and Tasha's is that one added to the base list and said you may want to consider it optional. The other said these are optional, and if you so opt you can add it to the base list.
I don’t think the mod note has to state they are optional, as the source material specifically states it is optional.
To your Xanathar point, it states this about spells:
So what it is saying here is that ANY spell is at DM discretion, which is 100% true. The spells listed in Xanathar were 100% added to spell lists, but as always the DM has final say on what spells were added but they are on the list 100% of the time.
Thanks for the info, I hadn't seen that mod note. Looks like I will add the spells I want manually.
This may be my ignorance of DM'ing showing.. But isn't everything optional and up to the DM in the end? To me it seems like the main reason they won't show up on the Sorc's spelllist is due to how DnDBeyond has chosen to really highlight the "optional" part of some of the features in tasha's.. which sort of makes em an awkward addon on the website itself, where as they're just probablt ment to be optional in the same sense that so many other things in 5e is optional..
About the feature thing.. isn't the initial spellcasting iself also a "class feature" though? I don't understand why there'd be a distiction there.
Our DM allows the optional spells from Tasha's. Makes the Divine Soul with a one level dip into life cleric ridiculous. Extended aura of vitality with disciple of life. Entire is healed up to full hit points after 90% of the encounters. Never mind the heavily armored nuker when necessary during said battles that can simply quicken bless and then dodge/shield the rest of the combat when nuking isn't viable.