You clicked this and therefore we're friends! I will apologize for the simple thread title; my actual question is actually quite simple.
What era of Krynn do you think we'll get with 5th edition D&D? Picking up the Age of Mortals? Maybe a whole new threat to the world? Maybe a 5e take on the more celebrated histories of the world?
Bonus thoughts; What person/place/thing/ideal(s) in Dragonlance would you most look forward to visiting as a gamer? What could go missing from previous iterations that you wouldn't miss?
I've been waiting patiently for a 5e dragonlance sourcebook. So far I've been relying on my DnD1e Dragonlance Adventures book and doing my best to convert the rules to 5e.
But there's 5e sourcebooks for Forgotten Realms, Wildemount, Ravnica, and Eberron. Alongside these in the PH and DMG it gives light support for Dragonlance as a world, too. But no dedicated sourcebook.
Now WotC is releasing a book called Fizban's Treasury of Dragons. I got all excited. Finally the Dragonlance sourcebook!... but other than the name Fizban on the cover, it doesn't seem to have anything specifically to do with Dragonlance at all.
My answers to Bernie: A good Krynn sourcebook would cover all potential eras. The place I'd most look forward to visiting as a gamer is Mount Nevermind. The place I could do without would be... um... something not in Krynn. It's all great.
My question is: What's the best way to petition WotC to produce this? Hopefully get Weis and Hickman onboard again.
I kind of fell off the Dragonlance train after reading the war of souls and amber trilogies. Have they had any major shake ups since then? I'd probably personally be most interested in seeing the world carried forward rather than focusing on past eras of it.
The new novels will presumably shake things up a bit. Not necessarily a new era altogether, though if I had to guess that's what I'd be leaning towards. The sourcebook (unconfirmed so far, but it's all but certain there will be one) will reflect what the novels bring, I'm sure.
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I kind of fell off the Dragonlance train after reading the war of souls and amber trilogies. Have they had any major shake ups since then? I'd probably personally be most interested in seeing the world carried forward rather than focusing on past eras of it.
Not really aside from the constant legal wrangling. Supposedly, these have been resolved (again) and we're seeing "Fizban" and other characters mentioned.
However, I wouldn't expect anything soon. I am concerned over the quality of the sourcebooks on it coming and hope it's closer to the older level of coverage and research into the books.
Still maintaining a hopeful attitude, but nervous.
Folks think a Dragonlance "book" may be part of the "classic settings, revisited" products, two settings in 2022, and one more in 2023, that WotC has teased, most recently a couple of weeks ago at D&D Celebration. I write "book" in scare quotes because they've hinted these settings may be released in some hitherto untried format, and folks speculated that could be anything form a digital WotC-hosted product or a Beedle and Grimm style "prestige" formatted box, to maybe a range of products designed to engage players at a variety of price points to include traditional books.
When Guy from True Blood who plays D&D as Arkhan the Cruel (I can never type his last name right, so there we go) was teasing draft pages of Draconians, folks though a DL revisit was in the bag. Turns out those were for the Fizban's book, but since Fizban's by using Fizbans as well as including Draconians, a Dragonlance product is certainly becoming more feasible.
Spoiler because it contains some info some folks have shared via their review/comp copies of Fizbans:
And while Fizban is used as a sort of "narrator" in the forthcoming book, there's a sort of prologue or sidebar piece that recounts the history of dragons in what at least dragons consider "The First World" where Tiamat is not "evil" so much as a tragic figure, it was written in that contemporary trying to capture ancient epic voice which gets me dozing so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I wonder if a future Dragonlance product might make Takhesis something that it would actually make sense for mortals to league up with, sorta the "Tiamat the Chain Breaker" trope sometimes used. Basically it seems the rift between chromatic and metallic dragons is a bit more complicated and nuanced than simple "good vs evil."
Minor hot take, but isn't Tyrany of Dragons (HotDQ and Rise of Tiamat) basically Dragonlance but the Cult of the Dragon on Faerun was super incompetent in the pregame so therefore relatively easily thwarted before Dragon Armies could really become a thing and such. And super incompetent compared to the Dragon Armies of Krynn says a lot.
Folks think a Dragonlance "book" may be part of the "classic settings, revisited" products, two settings in 2022, and one more in 2023, that WotC has teased, most recently a couple of weeks ago at D&D Celebration. I write "book" in scare quotes because they've hinted these settings may be released in some hitherto untried format, and folks speculated that could be anything form a digital WotC-hosted product or a Beedle and Grimm style "prestige" formatted box, to maybe a range of products designed to engage players at a variety of price points to include traditional books.
When Guy from True Blood who plays D&D as Arkhan the Cruel (I can never type his last name right, so there we go) was teasing draft pages of Draconians, folks though a DL revisit was in the bag. Turns out those were for the Fizban's book, but since Fizban's by using Fizbans as well as including Draconians, a Dragonlance product is certainly becoming more feasible.
Spoiler because it contains some info some folks have shared via their review/comp copies of Fizbans:
And while Fizban is used as a sort of "narrator" in the forthcoming book, there's a sort of prologue or sidebar piece that recounts the history of dragons in what at least dragons consider "The First World" where Tiamat is not "evil" so much as a tragic figure, it was written in that contemporary trying to capture ancient epic voice which gets me dozing so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I wonder if a future Dragonlance product might make Takhesis something that it would actually make sense for mortals to league up with, sorta the "Tiamat the Chain Breaker" trope sometimes used. Basically it seems the rift between chromatic and metallic dragons is a bit more complicated and nuanced than simple "good vs evil."
Minor hot take, but isn't Tyrany of Dragons (HotDQ and Rise of Tiamat) basically Dragonlance but the Cult of the Dragon on Faerun was super incompetent in the pregame so therefore relatively easily thwarted before Dragon Armies could really become a thing and such. And super incompetent compared to the Dragon Armies of Krynn says a lot.
Dragonlance novel spoilers from War of Souls trilogy.
Depends, if they're going to bring the Dragonlance story forward, especially with the new novels in the workds, Takhisis is already dead anyway so it'd be kind of odd to retroactively try to make her sympathetic. Unless they use a plot device to somehow bring her back and raise Paladine back up to godhood or something to restore the old divine status quo. Which would be disapointing.
Folks think a Dragonlance "book" may be part of the "classic settings, revisited" products, two settings in 2022, and one more in 2023, that WotC has teased, most recently a couple of weeks ago at D&D Celebration. I write "book" in scare quotes because they've hinted these settings may be released in some hitherto untried format, and folks speculated that could be anything form a digital WotC-hosted product or a Beedle and Grimm style "prestige" formatted box, to maybe a range of products designed to engage players at a variety of price points to include traditional books.
When Guy from True Blood who plays D&D as Arkhan the Cruel (I can never type his last name right, so there we go) was teasing draft pages of Draconians, folks though a DL revisit was in the bag. Turns out those were for the Fizban's book, but since Fizban's by using Fizbans as well as including Draconians, a Dragonlance product is certainly becoming more feasible.
Spoiler because it contains some info some folks have shared via their review/comp copies of Fizbans:
And while Fizban is used as a sort of "narrator" in the forthcoming book, there's a sort of prologue or sidebar piece that recounts the history of dragons in what at least dragons consider "The First World" where Tiamat is not "evil" so much as a tragic figure, it was written in that contemporary trying to capture ancient epic voice which gets me dozing so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I wonder if a future Dragonlance product might make Takhesis something that it would actually make sense for mortals to league up with, sorta the "Tiamat the Chain Breaker" trope sometimes used. Basically it seems the rift between chromatic and metallic dragons is a bit more complicated and nuanced than simple "good vs evil."
Minor hot take, but isn't Tyrany of Dragons (HotDQ and Rise of Tiamat) basically Dragonlance but the Cult of the Dragon on Faerun was super incompetent in the pregame so therefore relatively easily thwarted before Dragon Armies could really become a thing and such. And super incompetent compared to the Dragon Armies of Krynn says a lot.
Dragonlance novel spoilers from War of Souls trilogy.
Depends, if they're going to bring the Dragonlance story forward, especially with the new novels in the workds, Takhisis is already dead anyway so it'd be kind of odd to retroactively try to make her sympathetic. Unless they use a plot device to somehow bring her back and raise Paladine back up to godhood or something to restore the old divine status quo. Which would be disapointing.
The new novels already sound like there will be LOTS of Retconning since it is going to be about the "Original Cast" of characters or at least some of them.
Huh. Guess we'll just have to wait for the first book to come out then, or at least a general synopsis of what it will be about/who it will focus on then.
The new novels already sound like there will be LOTS of Retconning since it is going to be about the "Original Cast" of characters or at least some of them.
Just because the novels are about the original heroes doesn't mean it's a retcon. It's only a retcon if it changes some aspect of the canon, like making Raistlin a white wizard or turning Tanis into a druid.
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"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
The new novels already sound like there will be LOTS of Retconning since it is going to be about the "Original Cast" of characters or at least some of them.
Just because the novels are about the original heroes doesn't mean it's a retcon. It's only a retcon if it changes some aspect of the canon, like making Raistlin a white wizard or turning Tanis into a druid.
You are correct, but I can't really think of what is left to tell of those characters that hasn't already been covered. I am likely feeling dubious for no reason though.
The new novels already sound like there will be LOTS of Retconning since it is going to be about the "Original Cast" of characters or at least some of them.
Just because the novels are about the original heroes doesn't mean it's a retcon. It's only a retcon if it changes some aspect of the canon, like making Raistlin a white wizard or turning Tanis into a druid.
You are correct, but I can't really think of what is left to tell of those characters that hasn't already been covered. I am likely feeling dubious for no reason though.
It certainly raises an eyebrow. I'm a bit wary of how it's going to unfold. If it ended up being a reboot with a better retelling of the war of the lance I'd be fine with that. But I'm a bit wary of digging up old characters again. Maybe this is an uncommon opinion but I'd rather not see Tasslehoff or Raistlin dug up AGAIN after the War of Souls.
Folks think a Dragonlance "book" may be part of the "classic settings, revisited" products, two settings in 2022, and one more in 2023, that WotC has teased, most recently a couple of weeks ago at D&D Celebration. I write "book" in scare quotes because they've hinted these settings may be released in some hitherto untried format, and folks speculated that could be anything form a digital WotC-hosted product or a Beedle and Grimm style "prestige" formatted box, to maybe a range of products designed to engage players at a variety of price points to include traditional books.
When Guy from True Blood who plays D&D as Arkhan the Cruel (I can never type his last name right, so there we go) was teasing draft pages of Draconians, folks though a DL revisit was in the bag. Turns out those were for the Fizban's book, but since Fizban's by using Fizbans as well as including Draconians, a Dragonlance product is certainly becoming more feasible.
Spoiler because it contains some info some folks have shared via their review/comp copies of Fizbans:
And while Fizban is used as a sort of "narrator" in the forthcoming book, there's a sort of prologue or sidebar piece that recounts the history of dragons in what at least dragons consider "The First World" where Tiamat is not "evil" so much as a tragic figure, it was written in that contemporary trying to capture ancient epic voice which gets me dozing so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I wonder if a future Dragonlance product might make Takhesis something that it would actually make sense for mortals to league up with, sorta the "Tiamat the Chain Breaker" trope sometimes used. Basically it seems the rift between chromatic and metallic dragons is a bit more complicated and nuanced than simple "good vs evil."
Minor hot take, but isn't Tyrany of Dragons (HotDQ and Rise of Tiamat) basically Dragonlance but the Cult of the Dragon on Faerun was super incompetent in the pregame so therefore relatively easily thwarted before Dragon Armies could really become a thing and such. And super incompetent compared to the Dragon Armies of Krynn says a lot.
Dragonlance novel spoilers from War of Souls trilogy.
Depends, if they're going to bring the Dragonlance story forward, especially with the new novels in the workds, Takhisis is already dead anyway so it'd be kind of odd to retroactively try to make her sympathetic. Unless they use a plot device to somehow bring her back and raise Paladine back up to godhood or something to restore the old divine status quo. Which would be disapointing.
The new novels already sound like there will be LOTS of Retconning since it is going to be about the "Original Cast" of characters or at least some of them.
I didn't hear any summary of the new novels yet, where did you read that?
Folks think a Dragonlance "book" may be part of the "classic settings, revisited" products, two settings in 2022, and one more in 2023, that WotC has teased, most recently a couple of weeks ago at D&D Celebration. I write "book" in scare quotes because they've hinted these settings may be released in some hitherto untried format, and folks speculated that could be anything form a digital WotC-hosted product or a Beedle and Grimm style "prestige" formatted box, to maybe a range of products designed to engage players at a variety of price points to include traditional books.
When Guy from True Blood who plays D&D as Arkhan the Cruel (I can never type his last name right, so there we go) was teasing draft pages of Draconians, folks though a DL revisit was in the bag. Turns out those were for the Fizban's book, but since Fizban's by using Fizbans as well as including Draconians, a Dragonlance product is certainly becoming more feasible.
Spoiler because it contains some info some folks have shared via their review/comp copies of Fizbans:
And while Fizban is used as a sort of "narrator" in the forthcoming book, there's a sort of prologue or sidebar piece that recounts the history of dragons in what at least dragons consider "The First World" where Tiamat is not "evil" so much as a tragic figure, it was written in that contemporary trying to capture ancient epic voice which gets me dozing so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I wonder if a future Dragonlance product might make Takhesis something that it would actually make sense for mortals to league up with, sorta the "Tiamat the Chain Breaker" trope sometimes used. Basically it seems the rift between chromatic and metallic dragons is a bit more complicated and nuanced than simple "good vs evil."
Minor hot take, but isn't Tyrany of Dragons (HotDQ and Rise of Tiamat) basically Dragonlance but the Cult of the Dragon on Faerun was super incompetent in the pregame so therefore relatively easily thwarted before Dragon Armies could really become a thing and such. And super incompetent compared to the Dragon Armies of Krynn says a lot.
Dragonlance novel spoilers from War of Souls trilogy.
Depends, if they're going to bring the Dragonlance story forward, especially with the new novels in the workds, Takhisis is already dead anyway so it'd be kind of odd to retroactively try to make her sympathetic. Unless they use a plot device to somehow bring her back and raise Paladine back up to godhood or something to restore the old divine status quo. Which would be disapointing.
The new novels already sound like there will be LOTS of Retconning since it is going to be about the "Original Cast" of characters or at least some of them.
I didn't hear any summary of the new novels yet, where did you read that?
Pretty much every article on the internet has some version of this:
"The new trilogy will return fans to the most beloved characters from the original novels along with introducing a new strong protagonist. The books will be published by Del Rey Books, an imprint of Penguin Random House. Although a publishing date has not yet been formally set, they anticipate announcing when the first book will be released later this year. The first and second books, provisionally titled Dragons of Deceit and Dragons of Fate, respectively, are said to already be complete. They will be available as print, ebooks and audiobooks."
or
"Del Rey Books, an imprint of Penguin Random House, will publish the new novels. The first and second books, provisionally titled Dragons of Deceit and Dragons of Fate, respectively, are said to already be complete. The new books will feature beloved characters from the Dragonlance Chronicles while introducing a new protagonist."
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I will apologize for the simple thread title; my actual question is actually quite simple.
What era of Krynn do you think we'll get with 5th edition D&D? Picking up the Age of Mortals? Maybe a whole new threat to the world? Maybe a 5e take on the more celebrated histories of the world?
Bonus thoughts; What person/place/thing/ideal(s) in Dragonlance would you most look forward to visiting as a gamer? What could go missing from previous iterations that you wouldn't miss?
I've been waiting patiently for a 5e dragonlance sourcebook. So far I've been relying on my DnD1e Dragonlance Adventures book and doing my best to convert the rules to 5e.
But there's 5e sourcebooks for Forgotten Realms, Wildemount, Ravnica, and Eberron. Alongside these in the PH and DMG it gives light support for Dragonlance as a world, too. But no dedicated sourcebook.
Now WotC is releasing a book called Fizban's Treasury of Dragons. I got all excited. Finally the Dragonlance sourcebook!... but other than the name Fizban on the cover, it doesn't seem to have anything specifically to do with Dragonlance at all.
My answers to Bernie: A good Krynn sourcebook would cover all potential eras. The place I'd most look forward to visiting as a gamer is Mount Nevermind. The place I could do without would be... um... something not in Krynn. It's all great.
My question is: What's the best way to petition WotC to produce this? Hopefully get Weis and Hickman onboard again.
I kind of fell off the Dragonlance train after reading the war of souls and amber trilogies. Have they had any major shake ups since then? I'd probably personally be most interested in seeing the world carried forward rather than focusing on past eras of it.
The new novels will presumably shake things up a bit. Not necessarily a new era altogether, though if I had to guess that's what I'd be leaning towards. The sourcebook (unconfirmed so far, but it's all but certain there will be one) will reflect what the novels bring, I'm sure.
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I have a party running an Spelljammer enhanced version of the Legends of the Twins Module I've modified for 5e where I've got them flipping between Istar and the late 5th age (After death of Takhisis)
https://www.dmsguild.com/product/3252/Legends-of-the-Twins-35
Some of my players have read the books a long time ago, some have not.
Not really aside from the constant legal wrangling. Supposedly, these have been resolved (again) and we're seeing "Fizban" and other characters mentioned.
However, I wouldn't expect anything soon. I am concerned over the quality of the sourcebooks on it coming and hope it's closer to the older level of coverage and research into the books.
Still maintaining a hopeful attitude, but nervous.
Folks think a Dragonlance "book" may be part of the "classic settings, revisited" products, two settings in 2022, and one more in 2023, that WotC has teased, most recently a couple of weeks ago at D&D Celebration. I write "book" in scare quotes because they've hinted these settings may be released in some hitherto untried format, and folks speculated that could be anything form a digital WotC-hosted product or a Beedle and Grimm style "prestige" formatted box, to maybe a range of products designed to engage players at a variety of price points to include traditional books.
When Guy from True Blood who plays D&D as Arkhan the Cruel (I can never type his last name right, so there we go) was teasing draft pages of Draconians, folks though a DL revisit was in the bag. Turns out those were for the Fizban's book, but since Fizban's by using Fizbans as well as including Draconians, a Dragonlance product is certainly becoming more feasible.
Spoiler because it contains some info some folks have shared via their review/comp copies of Fizbans:
And while Fizban is used as a sort of "narrator" in the forthcoming book, there's a sort of prologue or sidebar piece that recounts the history of dragons in what at least dragons consider "The First World" where Tiamat is not "evil" so much as a tragic figure, it was written in that contemporary trying to capture ancient epic voice which gets me dozing so I didn't pay too much attention to it, but I wonder if a future Dragonlance product might make Takhesis something that it would actually make sense for mortals to league up with, sorta the "Tiamat the Chain Breaker" trope sometimes used. Basically it seems the rift between chromatic and metallic dragons is a bit more complicated and nuanced than simple "good vs evil."
Minor hot take, but isn't Tyrany of Dragons (HotDQ and Rise of Tiamat) basically Dragonlance but the Cult of the Dragon on Faerun was super incompetent in the pregame so therefore relatively easily thwarted before Dragon Armies could really become a thing and such. And super incompetent compared to the Dragon Armies of Krynn says a lot.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Dragonlance novel spoilers from War of Souls trilogy.
Depends, if they're going to bring the Dragonlance story forward, especially with the new novels in the workds, Takhisis is already dead anyway so it'd be kind of odd to retroactively try to make her sympathetic. Unless they use a plot device to somehow bring her back and raise Paladine back up to godhood or something to restore the old divine status quo. Which would be disapointing.
The new novels already sound like there will be LOTS of Retconning since it is going to be about the "Original Cast" of characters or at least some of them.
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Huh. Guess we'll just have to wait for the first book to come out then, or at least a general synopsis of what it will be about/who it will focus on then.
Just because the novels are about the original heroes doesn't mean it's a retcon. It's only a retcon if it changes some aspect of the canon, like making Raistlin a white wizard or turning Tanis into a druid.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
You are correct, but I can't really think of what is left to tell of those characters that hasn't already been covered. I am likely feeling dubious for no reason though.
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It certainly raises an eyebrow. I'm a bit wary of how it's going to unfold. If it ended up being a reboot with a better retelling of the war of the lance I'd be fine with that. But I'm a bit wary of digging up old characters again. Maybe this is an uncommon opinion but I'd rather not see Tasslehoff or Raistlin dug up AGAIN after the War of Souls.
I didn't hear any summary of the new novels yet, where did you read that?
Pretty much every article on the internet has some version of this:
"The new trilogy will return fans to the most beloved characters from the original novels along with introducing a new strong protagonist. The books will be published by Del Rey Books, an imprint of Penguin Random House. Although a publishing date has not yet been formally set, they anticipate announcing when the first book will be released later this year. The first and second books, provisionally titled Dragons of Deceit and Dragons of Fate, respectively, are said to already be complete. They will be available as print, ebooks and audiobooks."
or
"Del Rey Books, an imprint of Penguin Random House, will publish the new novels. The first and second books, provisionally titled Dragons of Deceit and Dragons of Fate, respectively, are said to already be complete. The new books will feature beloved characters from the Dragonlance Chronicles while introducing a new protagonist."
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