Is there a way to turn off all 2024 rules that I'm missing somewhere?  Trying to create characters using 2014 rules ONLY but can't seem to avoid all the 2024 nonsense. 

Nope, sorry. Tooltips for things like conditions will always put the 2024 versions on top, and you can't filter out stuff like 2024 spells. It's what all future content is being developed for, so there's no substantial upside to taking the time and effort to make a filter for it from a business perspective. Everything is still workable as 2014, but you're gonna be putting in some extra legwork if you're trying to outright fence out/avoid anything 2024 related.

Unfortunate. Not a big fan of vast majority of changes.  Thanks for reply. 

There is no reason they cannot make a simple "Legacy" or "2014" filter for Beyond.  Choices are good.

The bit that bugs me is I actually like most of the 5.5e rules; I just despise being forced to do something.  If I want 2024 rules I f":*$%&g choose them.

I play 2014 rules and 2024 rules campaigns, and despite what WOTC want to say they are NOT compatible.

You'll have to switch to VTT's and don't load up the older content.  I'm running Fantasy Grounds and I'm able to keep everything in 5E with no 6E disruption screwing up the game.  The problem of course is now you are buying additional rule books.  For me, all my third party is in Fantasy Grounds and since I haven't bought anything from WotC since 2020, I have the core rules and the three main books that everyone likes to use, so I'm good.  Maybe Roll 20 or Foundry VTT can help with the same issue as well.

This is why I never bothered with D&D beyond. Their track record for handling their own content is terrible and I knew they were going to **** this up too https://19216801****/  https://routerlogin.uno/ .

Creating any feature on a website like D&D Beyond costs developer time and money.  More important than actual cost is opportunity cost - there is only a limited amount of developer time, so working on one project means they are not working on another. Thus, for it to be worthwhile, there has to be a return on the investment greater than that of other things they are working on.

Here, Wizards would be creating a system with diminishing returns over time.  No new 2014 content is being made, so there is a cap on the fiscal return from 2014 players.  Further, those players will only decrease in number - it is unlikely new players will choose a slightly older version of 5e in statistically significant numbers, and the current 2014 players will either leave the game or switch.  Creating a system for an ever-shrinking population is bad business sense.

Then they have to consider the risk of not making the change.  Some people will leave over the minor inconvenience - but it is still a pretty minor inconvenience.  Folks are firmly capable of self-selecting for the content they want.  Sure, some folks will quit and go to other platforms that are 2014 based (which Wizards very well might will receive a cut from) - but the more loyal customers will stick it out and deal with the inconvenience. 

Finally, there is an opportunity cost to this - there are other features that vastly need more attention.  Here, I do think the Beyond staff seems like they are making some poor decisions - they have not even applied the 2024 rules to the encounter builder, a flagship feature of this site, and have said there are no plans to do so.  Any number of features that would be retain and grow in value over the next decade are far more important to work on than a feature designed to produce diminishing value based on the prior decade.

It takes about two years, typically, for an edition change to leave the laggards in the dust. 

That is, based on previous edition changes, around the two year mark, most people (in terms of diffusion sciences, around 85%) will have shifted to the new version, and there will be some new stuff that has drawn folks to it.

The laggards (and that's not an insulting term in this usage -- it is the term used under diffusion science for those that do not move to a new segment, and it is the opposite end of the spectrum from "early adopters") will generally stick to their preference for a good long while.

Now, the comments in general address the idea that "WotC could make this change", and on the few occasions when someone is wise enough to do more than simply complain, they might add something to the effect of "it would help folks like me who don't like stuff" but there's absolutely no long term overall consideration of why they should do it beyond "it would make us laggards, who aren't going to be contributing the to the income of the company happy".

They might do it if they knew that folks were going to be spending decent amounts of money going forward -- because be aware that the books (physical and digital) are still the core of the company's revenue, even with the subscription basis for DDB. IF folks aren't going to be buying the books for 2024 stuff going forward, then there is little to no reason to support them from a for-profit corporation standpoint. No, not even goodwill

So, yes, they could, but why would they? Cui bono?

Well over two thirds of the "i hate 2024" folks also say that they refuse to buy anything for 2024 (meaning "i will not provide revenue"), a good chunk say theya re canceling or are encouraging others with similar thinking to cancel their subscriptions, and generally they are doing the same things we did and said when 3.0 came out.

Given that, and given that after two years, laggards will be only about 15% of the total player base even as the player base grows, why in the hell should they invest in the energy, money, and time to do so?

What benefit do they get -- specifically and in total funds; because even if you think they can't add 2+2 or read their own market research (which is a hell of a lot more than a few surveys done on this site), they have a lot of data -- 50 years of it -- that tells the how people as a whole will act and react. They have already done the math themselves -- they had to do it before they committed to publishing the 2024 books.

I mean, honestly, the complaints only really serve the purpose of giving them a reason not to make that shift. 

I am an example of a laggard.  I still think 3.x, and especially 3.5, was the worst version of the game ever made -- and I and my group completely skipped it, turning into laggards ourselves and getting very much calcified in our enjoyment and use of 2e -- to this day I think that's the real reason we skipped over 4e. Moving to 5e happened only because it had a lot of flexibility to allow us to simplify and adapt our 2e stuff to it. Some of the things that 2024 did fixed things we ran into right away and had fixed ourselves -- and the fixes were quite similar in most cases.

But after about two years, we were pretty much on our own. None of the new material would work with our rules. None of the value we derived from the game was present in the edition we hated. None of the communities were really attuned to us, or appealing, because all that was there was a mountain of the latest edition stuff.

So, we fell out of the community. We were left behind. Now, we are GenX folks, so that's not a new thing to us, but that's the reality -- and it is one that the folks who stick to 2014 will face. There will be new communities that spring up, new sub-forums and subreddits and so forth for folks who only want to do 2014 stuff will hang around and there will be some stuff that comes out of that which is ok -- but it will always be a community of laggards and the curious, drawing in the disaffected and the angry slowly over time.

There are several groups like that already -- a large and decent chunk of them (nowhere near the size of the D&D player base, but comparable to some of the indie publishing bases) arose from the the folks who loved the Basic D&D line that was killed by TSR shortly before Wizards bought them and then was swallowed by Hasbro.

They were the smallest segment of the player base at the time (5e is 5e because it is the continuation of the Advanced line), and they didn't like Advanced, and they were furious about the end of Basic.

So, they kept it going on their own, and it has taken them nearly 30 years to get to the point where all the assorted variants of it are somewhat known by the community. Under a different terminology now, but still there.

But Hasbro reads the numbers and look how much stuff they've put out for old fans of Basic D&D in those 30 years. Look how much new stuff they have put out for 3.0. for 3.5. for 4e and 4r. That's what they are going to do with 2014 5e.

And every single time there is an edition change, the game has grown larger than it did the previous edition -- yes, 4e had a larger player base than 3.5 at the end.

And every single time there is an edition change, there are folks who scream and rant and hurl insults and invective about how terrible the company is (even TSR) and how it is only about greed and how the changes mess up everything and are just terrible and how they will never switch to the new version. ALWAYS. Every. Single. Time.

So, seriously, why the hell should they put up a toggle to let folks ignore the new, current, profitable version that is going forward for at least six years?

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Because it's a nice thing?

People deserve nice things?

& if they keep importing partnered content more regularly, they'll never run out of 2014 content because 2024's unconfirmed status of even HAVING an OGL has scared people out of making 2024 stuff in proportionate amounts due to the fear of OGLgate 2.

So, yes, people deserve a Toggle, the 2014 rules in Creative Commons verbatim & in perpetuity in their entirety, endless 2014 partnered content, & complete proof & transparency in regards to that OGLgate 2 won't be a thing.

 
People do deserve nice things and it would be a nice thing.

But there’s no fiscal benefit to Hasbro in doing so.

They have already run out of 2014 content — everything from July of 2023 forward has been designed to work with 2024.

2024 will have an SRD — and that SRD will include a CC version as far as anyone knows at this point, based on statements already released. It should arrive sometime between April 1st and June 30th. 

The OGL for 2024 does remain unknown. The OGL is not applicable to existing 3rd party vendors in the DDB store — they have a separate agreement negotiated. So it is possible the 3rd parties would release 2014 material, but I think it unlikely because those agreements were reached during 2024 development and almost certainly include terms about that.

New vendors would likely be limited in the same way unless their bread butter products are centered around older editions. Besides, the major providers all know the same thing about editions changes I already spoke to — most people will move to 2024 over the next two years, and 2014 is now a niche market like all the other editions. Niche markets are not what the folks who will want to partner up here are going to be trying to reach here — they will sell that stuff through their own storefronts.

Deserve is an expression of entitlement — and people do not deserve a toggle, they just want one. The same applies to the rest. There’s no benefit to Hasbro in doing any of that. That they will even do some of it is an expression of support for the community, and meant strictly to generate goodwill among the folks who are not saying they hate the company.

Still waiting on them to fix the differences in Martial Arts die from 2014 and 2024.  As of now if you create a 2014 Monk you are still getting the updated 2024 MA die set instead of 2014 die.

Yeah, what WotC is doing is to put it simple, stupid and a bad business decision.  Furthermore, the search for D&D beyond is atrocious, we all know it.  How many of us have to use Google and go to other VTT's to get the previously mentioned "conditions", I've been using Roll 20's conditions for a decade now because D&D Beyond can't return it.

Now, factor in D&D Beyond doesn't factor in Legacy Content.  Go to eBay, buy a 5E PHB, take a razer to the binding and separate out the pages and clean up the edges.  Go to FedEx and use their multipage scanning service with OCR so you can have the test be searchable words.  Congrats you now have a PDF of the PHB that you can search the document and find exactly what you want without having to deal with D&D Beyond's search results.  And you have them for 5E not 6E.

https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/phb-2024/playing-the-game#Conditions

There is no 6e.

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Yeah, what WotC is doing is to put it simple, stupid and a bad business decision.  Furthermore, the search for D&D beyond is atrocious, we all know it.  How many of us have to use Google and go to other VTT's to get the previously mentioned "conditions", I've been using Roll 20's conditions for a decade now because D&D Beyond can't return it.

Now, factor in D&D Beyond doesn't factor in Legacy Content.  Go to eBay, buy a 5E PHB, take a razer to the binding and separate out the pages and clean up the edges.  Go to FedEx and use their multipage scanning service with OCR so you can have the test be searchable words.  Congrats you now have a PDF of the PHB that you can search the document and find exactly what you want without having to deal with D&D Beyond's search results.  And you have them for 5E not 6E.

 Maybe the problem is you keep searching for results in a 6e that doesn’t exist? I’ve never had any trouble with the search and book mark function on the DDB app

And how is it a bad business decision to steer (whether willingly or not) customers to the latest product that you’ve spent money creating? That seems like a pretty smart decision to me and exactly what any business tries to do

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People will use whatever term they want/heard from certain sources, so let's not derail the subject.

The lack of clear separation of content is a problem, as is the clearly waning official support of 2014 content. Which can be understandable AND disappointing at the same time.

& the naming scheme vs fandom terminology based on pre-Hasbro micromanagement of DND patterns & social media discourse is causing people to want a more clear distinction.

But nitpicking over specific terminology won't move the discussion forward.

So, yes, I think a toggle would be nice....but it isn't happening. Investors/shareholders want the newer form of the product, & the services it entails, pushed. Sub bleed is at a contained rate.

it would take a MASSIVE scandal at this point(Say, no OGL for 2024 content, &/or forced integration of Sigil with no opt-in as well as/or low-quality/predatory MTX) to get enough subs to leave to the point where investors feel like handing a 2014/2024 toggle order would be a concession.

So I don't think it will happen barring another OGLgate-tier disaster.

 Even the OGL thing a couple of years back was barely a blip. Very few outside the very invested section of the community even know what the OGL is, D&D Beyond actually saw an increase in subscribers in 2023 and even the YouTubers who were protesting the loudest have admitted that at no point did their “other games you can play instead” videos ever did the same watch numbers as the straight D&D content 

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People will use whatever term they want/heard from certain sources, so let's not derail the subject.

The lack of clear separation of content is a problem, as is the clearly waning official support of 2014 content. Which can be understandable AND disappointing at the same time.

& the naming scheme vs fandom terminology based on pre-Hasbro micromanagement of DND patterns & social media discourse is causing people to want a more clear distinction.

But nitpicking over specific terminology won't move the discussion forward.

So, yes, I think a toggle would be nice....but it isn't happening. Investors/shareholders want the newer form of the product, & the services it entails, pushed. Sub bleed is at a contained rate.

it would take a MASSIVE scandal at this point(Say, no OGL for 2024 content, &/or forced integration of Sigil with no opt-in as well as/or low-quality/predatory MTX) to get enough subs to leave to the point where investors feel like handing a 2014/2024 toggle order would be a concession.

So I don't think it will happen barring another OGLgate-tier disaster.

 

-D&D Beyond stated they would update all content to new content

-Players said no and there was outrage

-D&D Beyond caved and said they would not replace 5E content

-Cut to 6 months later, D&D Beyond looks around with side eye to see if they can get away with replacing 5E content.

 

 
Spells.

It was just spells.

saying or implying other stuff than spells would be a falsehood.

they did update all the tooltips and base links to 2024 (smart business move).

they dropped the 2014 core from the primary source listing (have to click see all), which was also smart.

they moved the platform to the current version and left the outdated legacy stuff in place for convenience and ultimately as a courtesy.

they did not have to do that. 

six months is too short. It will be 18 to 24 months at minimum. Then it will start to fade away, having had its time.

then, when they put out 6e, this version will do the same, and we can have the same arguments all over again!