Yes, it does seem you can only use the older partner content like from Explorer's Guide to Wildemount if selecting that you are building a 2014 Core Rules character. That's disappointing for sure.
From my understanding, no third party content got support for 5.24, including Critical Role (even though EGtW was an official WotC book…)
It's not that it "didn't get support", it's that partnered content requires the sign-off from the partner to get adapted/modified/changed to integrate with 2024 rules. If it's not 100% WotC owned, WotC can't unilaterally change or modify it (which is a good thing)
You're correct. I didn't mean to imply WotC wasn't interested in supporting that content, just that (as of today) they hadn't gone through the process of partnering with collaborators to update everything. I should have structured that statement better.
You're correct. I didn't mean to imply WotC wasn't interested in supporting that content, just that (as of today) they hadn't gone through the process of partnering with collaborators to update everything. I should have structured that statement better.
We don't know that. I mean, given that it's been stated on the site that they're waiting for the partners to update their content, it's probably incredibly likely they've also reached out directly. They can't make them update their creations. In fact, I recall mods even suggesting the community to reach out to the various partners and ask them to update it.
From my understanding, no third party content got support for 5.24, including Critical Role (even though EGtW was an official WotC book…)
It's not that it "didn't get support", it's that partnered content requires the sign-off from the partner to get adapted/modified/changed to integrate with 2024 rules. If it's not 100% WotC owned, WotC can't unilaterally change or modify it (which is a good thing)
Hi Davyd
Your input is always appreciated as a fact bringer and general voice of reason. I am a frequent thumbs-upper of your posts. No doubt you are technically correct with what you said about partners needing to sign off on any adaptations, and clearly that is indeed a good thing.
With that said, since the only thing generally required to "modify" a subclass to be 2024 compatible from a game standpoint is to push the benefits it provides to be in line with the levels that have been set for all subclasses under the main class in question, this feels like less than the full story. People have paid for Wildemount and other content on DDB in many cases because we wanted to use it here in the character creator. If the implication is, "WotC gave the creators of Explorer's Guide to Wildemount a simple document to sign to allow their products to have minor level modifications bringing them in line with the 2024 rules and they said no", that feels dubious to me.
It seems very unlikely the publishers of this and other third party content dislike the 2024 rules so much they refuse to have their products very slightly adapted for level compatibility with the obvious understanding this will limit future sales AND make people who already bought their products have a very bad taste toward the creator. I also find it a stretch to believe the creators are just too busy to get around to "signing off". It seems much more likely that there is something else going on that is preventing the publisher from just saying, "Yes, of course, make my 2nd level Chronurgy subclass abilities available at 3rd level instead and keep selling my stuff!" I have no knowledge what the barrier may be that is preventing these conversions, but implying that the third party publishers are refusing to allow simple tweaks to subclass level availability feels off.
You're correct. I didn't mean to imply WotC wasn't interested in supporting that content, just that (as of today) they hadn't gone through the process of partnering with collaborators to update everything. I should have structured that statement better.
We don't know that. I mean, given that it's been stated on the site that they're waiting for the partners to update their content, it's probably incredibly likely they've also reached out directly. They can't make them update their creations. In fact, I recall mods even suggesting the community to reach out to the various partners and ask them to update it.
I hadn't seen this before my last post. If the creators are being asked to do all the work the delay or refusal to rework everything makes more sense for these small companies.
From my understanding, no third party content got support for 5.24, including Critical Role (even though EGtW was an official WotC book…)
It's not that it "didn't get support", it's that partnered content requires the sign-off from the partner to get adapted/modified/changed to integrate with 2024 rules. If it's not 100% WotC owned, WotC can't unilaterally change or modify it (which is a good thing)
Hi Davyd
Your input is always appreciated as a fact bringer and general voice of reason. I am a frequent thumbs-upper of your posts. No doubt you are technically correct with what you said about partners needing to sign off on any adaptations, and clearly that is indeed a good thing.
With that said, since the only thing generally required to "modify" a subclass to be 2024 compatible from a game standpoint is to push the benefits it provides to be in line with the levels that have been set for all subclasses under the main class in question, this feels like less than the full story. People have paid for Wildemount and other content on DDB in many cases because we wanted to use it here in the character creator. If the implication is, "WotC gave the creators of Explorer's Guide to Wildemount a simple document to sign to allow their products to have minor level modifications bringing them in line with the 2024 rules and they said no", that feels dubious to me.
It seems very unlikely the publishers of this and other third party content dislike the 2024 rules so much they refuse to have their products very slightly adapted for level compatibility with the obvious understanding this will limit future sales AND make people who already bought their products have a very bad taste toward the creator. I also find it a stretch to believe the creators are just too busy to get around to "signing off". It seems much more likely that there is something else going on that is preventing the publisher from just saying, "Yes, of course, make my 2nd level Chronurgy subclass abilities available at 3rd level instead and keep selling my stuff!" I have no knowledge what the barrier may be that is preventing these conversions, but implying that the third party publishers are refusing to allow simple tweaks to subclass level availability feels off.
I am not implying anything about the intent or reason for the action or perceived inaction of third party partners.
From an IP standpoint, I think it would be an overreach for wotc/ddb to edit content that is not theirs in its entirety, regardless of the perceived triviality of said changes.
I also do not believe or would assert that perceived triviality should reflect on the partners and their IP. There could be a multitude of reasons and it would be insulting (imo) to speculate on them.
Am I missing something? I am able to toggle Critical role books but not able to use any of their subclasses for the new 2024 wizard.
From my understanding, no third party content got support for 5.24, including Critical Role (even though EGtW was an official WotC book…)
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Yes, it does seem you can only use the older partner content like from Explorer's Guide to Wildemount if selecting that you are building a 2014 Core Rules character. That's disappointing for sure.
It's not that it "didn't get support", it's that partnered content requires the sign-off from the partner to get adapted/modified/changed to integrate with 2024 rules. If it's not 100% WotC owned, WotC can't unilaterally change or modify it (which is a good thing)
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You're correct. I didn't mean to imply WotC wasn't interested in supporting that content, just that (as of today) they hadn't gone through the process of partnering with collaborators to update everything. I should have structured that statement better.
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We don't know that. I mean, given that it's been stated on the site that they're waiting for the partners to update their content, it's probably incredibly likely they've also reached out directly. They can't make them update their creations. In fact, I recall mods even suggesting the community to reach out to the various partners and ask them to update it.
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
Hi Davyd
Your input is always appreciated as a fact bringer and general voice of reason. I am a frequent thumbs-upper of your posts. No doubt you are technically correct with what you said about partners needing to sign off on any adaptations, and clearly that is indeed a good thing.
With that said, since the only thing generally required to "modify" a subclass to be 2024 compatible from a game standpoint is to push the benefits it provides to be in line with the levels that have been set for all subclasses under the main class in question, this feels like less than the full story. People have paid for Wildemount and other content on DDB in many cases because we wanted to use it here in the character creator. If the implication is, "WotC gave the creators of Explorer's Guide to Wildemount a simple document to sign to allow their products to have minor level modifications bringing them in line with the 2024 rules and they said no", that feels dubious to me.
It seems very unlikely the publishers of this and other third party content dislike the 2024 rules so much they refuse to have their products very slightly adapted for level compatibility with the obvious understanding this will limit future sales AND make people who already bought their products have a very bad taste toward the creator. I also find it a stretch to believe the creators are just too busy to get around to "signing off". It seems much more likely that there is something else going on that is preventing the publisher from just saying, "Yes, of course, make my 2nd level Chronurgy subclass abilities available at 3rd level instead and keep selling my stuff!" I have no knowledge what the barrier may be that is preventing these conversions, but implying that the third party publishers are refusing to allow simple tweaks to subclass level availability feels off.
I hadn't seen this before my last post. If the creators are being asked to do all the work the delay or refusal to rework everything makes more sense for these small companies.
I am not implying anything about the intent or reason for the action or perceived inaction of third party partners.
From an IP standpoint, I think it would be an overreach for wotc/ddb to edit content that is not theirs in its entirety, regardless of the perceived triviality of said changes.
I also do not believe or would assert that perceived triviality should reflect on the partners and their IP. There could be a multitude of reasons and it would be insulting (imo) to speculate on them.
Find my D&D Beyond articles here