A creature with blindsight 10' can see everything within 10' perfectly clearly - as if it were using very functional eyes and it was broad daylight.
Can your stealth attempt roll high enough to sneak up on a creature with good eyesight in broad daylight? If so, then it could also sneak up on the blindsight creature. If it would fail the daylight test, then it also wouldn't sneak through blindsight.
If the blindsight is based on some specific sense and that sense can be blocked (as with a Bat) then the stat block will indicate as much, or the DM might allow some improvised method to block it. Otherwise - perfect vision all the time.
There are multiple kinds of Blindsight - based on hearing, based on smell, or based on no explanation given, and the Fighting Style version, which I think you're asking about since you assumed a 10' range, is blocked by total cover, even though this is not normally a Blindsight rule.
For the Fighting Style, you can hide behind glass in darkness to sneak up on the person, for example - the darkness will block normal vision and the glass will block the blindsight.
What i understood from the Dev Jeremy Crawford Q&A is that Stealth is only possibly within blindsight radius if it's somehow behind cover or magic that cloaks you.
Does Blindsight allow you to automatically see creatures using obscurement to hide in order to cause them to lose hidden? An undistracted creature with blindsight does typically notice creatures who aren't behind cover.
Does Stealth or Invisibility work within Blindsight range? A creature can try to hide within blindsight range behind cover.
What advantages does blindsight provide, if cover protects against it? Blindsight lets you spot an invisible creature in range, but that creature can still try to hide behind something with Stealth.
Can you hide from a creature with blindsight? You can't hide from a creature if you're in its blindsight radius, unless magic cloaks your presence entirely.
What i understood from the Dev Jeremy Crawford Q&A is that Stealth is only possibly within blindsight radius if it's somehow behind cover or magic that cloaks you.
Does Blindsight allow you to automatically see creatures using obscurement to hide in order to cause them to lose hidden? An undistracted creature with blindsight does typically notice creatures who aren't behind cover.
Does Stealth or Invisibility work within Blindsight range? A creature can try to hide within blindsight range behind cover.
What advantages does blindsight provide, if cover protects against it? Blindsight lets you spot an invisible creature in range, but that creature can still try to hide behind something with Stealth.
Can you hide from a creature with blindsight? You can't hide from a creature if you're in its blindsight radius, unless magic cloaks your presence entirely.
I figured that they kept the radius so small because it was able to pick up Invisible enemies and such. I'll have a chat with the DM. I don't want to nerf an ability with a 10' range but if it's based on say hearing then it seems like a really high Stealth might defeat it.
What i understood from the Dev Jeremy Crawford Q&A is that Stealth is only possibly within blindsight radius if it's somehow behind cover or magic that cloaks you.
Does Blindsight allow you to automatically see creatures using obscurement to hide in order to cause them to lose hidden? An undistracted creature with blindsight does typically notice creatures who aren't behind cover.
Does Stealth or Invisibility work within Blindsight range? A creature can try to hide within blindsight range behind cover.
What advantages does blindsight provide, if cover protects against it? Blindsight lets you spot an invisible creature in range, but that creature can still try to hide behind something with Stealth.
Can you hide from a creature with blindsight? You can't hide from a creature if you're in its blindsight radius, unless magic cloaks your presence entirely.
I figured that they kept the radius so small because it was able to pick up Invisible enemies and such. I'll have a chat with the DM. I don't want to nerf an ability with a 10' range but if it's based on say hearing then it seems like a really high Stealth might defeat it.
Thanks for the RAW clarifications.
Unless I'm mistaken, Plaguescarred was giving you the RAI from JC, not the RAW. Your DM might care about the distinction.
You can see (glass) and hear (lots of glass) through total cover, in general, and blindsight in general has no special rule stating it's blocked by total cover. You can't smell through total cover, although under most DMs you can smell around it.
What i understood from the Dev Jeremy Crawford Q&A is that Stealth is only possibly within blindsight radius if it's somehow behind cover or magic that cloaks you.
Does Blindsight allow you to automatically see creatures using obscurement to hide in order to cause them to lose hidden? An undistracted creature with blindsight does typically notice creatures who aren't behind cover.
Does Stealth or Invisibility work within Blindsight range? A creature can try to hide within blindsight range behind cover.
What advantages does blindsight provide, if cover protects against it? Blindsight lets you spot an invisible creature in range, but that creature can still try to hide behind something with Stealth.
Can you hide from a creature with blindsight? You can't hide from a creature if you're in its blindsight radius, unless magic cloaks your presence entirely.
I figured that they kept the radius so small because it was able to pick up Invisible enemies and such. I'll have a chat with the DM. I don't want to nerf an ability with a 10' range but if it's based on say hearing then it seems like a really high Stealth might defeat it.
Thanks for the RAW clarifications.
"BLIND FIGHTING You have blindsight with a range of 10 feet. Within that range, you can effectively see anything that isn't behind total cover, even if you're blinded or in darkness. Moreover, you can see an invisible creature within that range, unless the creature successfully hides from you."
"BLINDSIGHT A creature with blindsight can perceive its surroundings without relying on sight, within a specific radius. Creatures without eyes, such as oozes, and creatures with echolocation or heightened senses, such as bats and true dragons, have this sense."
The rules give the character Blindsight which is the ability to perceive their surroundings without relying on sight. There are some suggestions as to what MIGHT supply that capability but a sixth sense or magically enhanced senses (heightened senses) are just as likely if not more likely than mundane explanations like echolocation. As a result, there is no requirement in the rules for Blindsight to rely on hearing. In fact, as written, Blindsight works within a silence spell or when a creature is deafened unless the description specifically links the ability to hearing (like a bat).
The bottom line is that it is up to the DM how they want to run it, but RAW, the Blind Fighting style allows the creature to perceive any creature within 10' whether their vision (or hearing) are obscured or not.
WTF? How does a 2nd level character get the ability to see invisible creatures, and attack them, and is not affected by blindness,, on and on it goes,,, magical darkness no problem? they can see through it? You can see an invisible stalker within 10 ft? BS . Gygax is rolling over in his grave.
WTF? How does a 2nd level character get the ability to see invisible creatures, and attack them, and is not affected by blindness,, on and on it goes,,, magical darkness no problem? they can see through it? You can see an invisible stalker within 10 ft? BS . Gygax is rolling over in his grave.
at 3rd level, spell casters get a 2nd level spell called "see invisibility", additionally spells like Faerie Fire makes the creature visible to everybody if it fails it's save. Blind Fighting is 10 foot, which means a DM can reasonable roll initiative before the creature enters that range if they determine the creature is heading in too attack. The fighting style is trading damage for a situational bonus that basically is protection against the Invisible and Blinded conditions, it's not doing much more than that.
Regarding the question of Stealth vs Blindsight, for combat purposes it essentially defeats stealth within its radius since clear LoS breaks stealth unless another effect is keeping the hidden creature unseen, which blindsight trumps in turn. Outside of combat, I’d say it depends on the situation. Trying to sneak up on a sentry with blindsight from behind or cover a la Skyrim or Assassin’s Creed would be a no-go, but if you’re both within an active crowd or some other situation where a lot of people moving around them is the norm I’d say you can make the attempt because it’s not detecting movement that will set them off, it’s your character in particular attracting their attention.
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Blindsight lets you 'effectively' see out to 10', but you're sensing more than seeing. It's just that D&D doesn't make much distinction.
So if a character has a high enough Stealth roll, can they sneak up on the person with Blindsight?
A creature with blindsight 10' can see everything within 10' perfectly clearly - as if it were using very functional eyes and it was broad daylight.
Can your stealth attempt roll high enough to sneak up on a creature with good eyesight in broad daylight? If so, then it could also sneak up on the blindsight creature. If it would fail the daylight test, then it also wouldn't sneak through blindsight.
If the blindsight is based on some specific sense and that sense can be blocked (as with a Bat) then the stat block will indicate as much, or the DM might allow some improvised method to block it. Otherwise - perfect vision all the time.
There are multiple kinds of Blindsight - based on hearing, based on smell, or based on no explanation given, and the Fighting Style version, which I think you're asking about since you assumed a 10' range, is blocked by total cover, even though this is not normally a Blindsight rule.
For the Fighting Style, you can hide behind glass in darkness to sneak up on the person, for example - the darkness will block normal vision and the glass will block the blindsight.
What i understood from the Dev Jeremy Crawford Q&A is that Stealth is only possibly within blindsight radius if it's somehow behind cover or magic that cloaks you.
I figured that they kept the radius so small because it was able to pick up Invisible enemies and such. I'll have a chat with the DM. I don't want to nerf an ability with a 10' range but if it's based on say hearing then it seems like a really high Stealth might defeat it.
Thanks for the RAW clarifications.
Unless I'm mistaken, Plaguescarred was giving you the RAI from JC, not the RAW. Your DM might care about the distinction.
You can see (glass) and hear (lots of glass) through total cover, in general, and blindsight in general has no special rule stating it's blocked by total cover. You can't smell through total cover, although under most DMs you can smell around it.
"BLIND FIGHTING
You have blindsight with a range of 10 feet. Within that range, you can effectively see anything that isn't behind total cover, even if you're blinded or in darkness. Moreover, you can see an invisible creature within that range, unless the creature successfully hides from you."
"BLINDSIGHT
A creature with blindsight can perceive its surroundings without relying on sight, within a specific radius. Creatures without eyes, such as oozes, and creatures with echolocation or heightened senses, such as bats and true dragons, have this sense."
The rules give the character Blindsight which is the ability to perceive their surroundings without relying on sight. There are some suggestions as to what MIGHT supply that capability but a sixth sense or magically enhanced senses (heightened senses) are just as likely if not more likely than mundane explanations like echolocation. As a result, there is no requirement in the rules for Blindsight to rely on hearing. In fact, as written, Blindsight works within a silence spell or when a creature is deafened unless the description specifically links the ability to hearing (like a bat).
The bottom line is that it is up to the DM how they want to run it, but RAW, the Blind Fighting style allows the creature to perceive any creature within 10' whether their vision (or hearing) are obscured or not.
WTF? How does a 2nd level character get the ability to see invisible creatures, and attack them, and is not affected by blindness,, on and on it goes,,, magical darkness no problem? they can see through it? You can see an invisible stalker within 10 ft? BS . Gygax is rolling over in his grave.
at 3rd level, spell casters get a 2nd level spell called "see invisibility", additionally spells like Faerie Fire makes the creature visible to everybody if it fails it's save. Blind Fighting is 10 foot, which means a DM can reasonable roll initiative before the creature enters that range if they determine the creature is heading in too attack. The fighting style is trading damage for a situational bonus that basically is protection against the Invisible and Blinded conditions, it's not doing much more than that.
Regarding the question of Stealth vs Blindsight, for combat purposes it essentially defeats stealth within its radius since clear LoS breaks stealth unless another effect is keeping the hidden creature unseen, which blindsight trumps in turn. Outside of combat, I’d say it depends on the situation. Trying to sneak up on a sentry with blindsight from behind or cover a la Skyrim or Assassin’s Creed would be a no-go, but if you’re both within an active crowd or some other situation where a lot of people moving around them is the norm I’d say you can make the attempt because it’s not detecting movement that will set them off, it’s your character in particular attracting their attention.