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Once you've read the book, it's no longer affecting you. The multiple effects with the same name rule does not apply.
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I’d agree, you find multiple tomes, you can read it multiple times. Though I’m pretty sure there’s a hard cap at 30 for ability scores, though I have no idea where I know that from.
I’d agree, you find multiple tomes, you can read it multiple times. Though I’m pretty sure there’s a hard cap at 30 for ability scores, though I have no idea where I know that from.
That would be PHB Chapter 7, but it is not that well written
Yes, the effect of multiple tomes will stack since the magic happens, increases the stat, then ends leaving the stat increase behind.
However, since the occurrence of magic items is fundamentally up to the DM, it seems unlikely that you will find multiple tomes of the same type. If a DM decided to put them in then they obviously don't mind a single character increasing their stats.
Also, if you happen to be playing Adventurers League, the rules there do restrict you to a single tome since they change it to a persistant magic item whose effect you can gain once and whose effect goes away if you no longer have the tome.
I’d agree, you find multiple tomes, you can read it multiple times. Though I’m pretty sure there’s a hard cap at 30 for ability scores, though I have no idea where I know that from.
That would be PHB Chapter 7, but it is not that well written
Once you've read the book, it's no longer affecting you. The multiple effects with the same name rule does not apply.
I'm not sure it's quite that simple, as it can easily be argued both ways.
You can argue that the magical effect of the book is that you gain +2 to an ability score, in which case having that bonus is a persistent effect (similar to an "until dispelled" effect). However this does raise other potential complications such as being in an antimagic field – would you lose access to the bonus inside the field? Probably yes with this ruling.
On the other hand you could argue that the book merely imparts knowledge, and it's the knowledge itself that grants the bonus, so the two are disconnected (in a similar way to suppressing an area effect that harmed you earlier doesn't give you your hit-points back). However, if the effect is knowledge based, you surely can't learn the same thing twice?
You could argue that if you somehow obtain multiple tomes of leadership and influence then you can benefit from all of them, since they might contain different knowledge, but if you only have one and somehow bypass (or outlast) the century wait time, you can't read the same tome again (unless you somehow forgot what you learned the first time, along with the bonus it imparted).
I mean ultimately it's a DM decision no matter how you rule it, because the DM decides on your access to these items in the first place, and whether you can attempt to craft them (which arguably should be impossible as you can't really learn what you already know but better).
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Once you've read the book, it's no longer affecting you. The multiple effects with the same name rule does not apply.
I'm not sure it's quite that simple, as it can easily be argued both ways.
You can argue that the magical effect of the book is that you gain +2 to an ability score, in which case having that bonus is a persistent effect (similar to an "until dispelled" effect). However this does raise other potential complications such as being in an antimagic field – would you lose access to the bonus inside the field? Probably yes with this ruling.
On the other hand you could argue that the book merely imparts knowledge, and it's the knowledge itself that grants the bonus, so the two are disconnected (in a similar way to suppressing an area effect that harmed you earlier doesn't give you your hit-points back). However, if the effect is knowledge based, you surely can't learn the same thing twice?
You could argue that if you somehow obtain multiple tomes of leadership and influence then you can benefit from all of them, since they might contain different knowledge, but if you only have one and somehow bypass (or outlast) the century wait time, you can't read the same tome again (unless you somehow forgot what you learned the first time, along with the bonus it imparted).
I mean ultimately it's a DM decision no matter how you rule it, because the DM decides on your access to these items in the first place, and whether you can attempt to craft them (which arguably should be impossible as you can't really learn what you already know but better).
It's pretty clear that they don't just have knowledge, and that reading one after crafting it still bears benefits.
Anyways, I have honestly no clue if ability score boosts are permanent or not. If they aren't, as you suggested, then that actually makes something in multiclassing confusing. Say you're an artificer 4/wizard whatever. You used the artificer ASI to add 2 to your intelligence. Since the rules for multiclassing say to ignore levels in other classes, would the extra +1 in your intelligence modifier let you prepare one extra wizard spell? It would if ASIs are fundamental changes to your character, just as the magical tomes would be stackable, but if they are just features like anything else then your wizard would be a spell short, just as magical tomes would be ongoing effects and therefore not stackable.
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While it'd be very unlikely that a second magical Tome of the same nature is found in my campaign, wether running published adventure or my very own, since no rules prevent it i would theorically let a character benefit from it again, unless there was abuse in some way where i would most likely limit it instead.
It's pretty clear that they don't just have knowledge, and that reading one after crafting it still bears benefits.
The description of the tome of leadership and influence is literally that it contains "guidance" which is basically advice or knowledge, but how can your own guidance be of use to yourself? While it says that the words are "charged with magic" we have nothing that really tells us what that means mechanically. The rules for crafting are admittedly pretty loose and ill-defined though, as DMs can impose any extra restrictions they like, so they may or may not make this one of them.
Anyways, I have honestly no clue if ability score boosts are permanent or not. If they aren't, as you suggested, then that actually makes something in multiclassing confusing. Say you're an artificer 4/wizard whatever. You used the artificer ASI to add 2 to your intelligence. Since the rules for multiclassing say to ignore levels in other classes, would the extra +1 in your intelligence modifier let you prepare one extra wizard spell? It would if ASIs are fundamental changes to your character, just as the magical tomes would be stackable, but if they are just features like anything else then your wizard would be a spell short, just as magical tomes would be ongoing effects and therefore not stackable.
I'm not sure I fully follow the problem here? Ability score increases are class features not magical effects; the issue for me with the tomes is that as magic items some part of them must be a magical effect (otherwise they wouldn't do anything), but we're not really told which part that is.
Again it's mostly academic anyway unless your DM is handing the things out and/or letting you craft them for yourselves (or each other).
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It's pretty clear that they don't just have knowledge, and that reading one after crafting it still bears benefits.
The description of the tome of leadership and influence is literally that it contains "guidance" which is basically advice or knowledge, but how can your own guidance be of use to yourself? While it says that the words are "charged with magic" we have nothing that really tells us what that means mechanically. The rules for crafting are admittedly pretty loose and ill-defined though, as DMs can impose any extra restrictions they like, so they may or may not make this one of them.
Anyways, I have honestly no clue if ability score boosts are permanent or not. If they aren't, as you suggested, then that actually makes something in multiclassing confusing. Say you're an artificer 4/wizard whatever. You used the artificer ASI to add 2 to your intelligence. Since the rules for multiclassing say to ignore levels in other classes, would the extra +1 in your intelligence modifier let you prepare one extra wizard spell? It would if ASIs are fundamental changes to your character, just as the magical tomes would be stackable, but if they are just features like anything else then your wizard would be a spell short, just as magical tomes would be ongoing effects and therefore not stackable.
I'm not sure I fully follow the problem here? Ability score increases are class features not magical effects; the issue for me with the tomes is that as magic items some part of them must be a magical effect (otherwise they wouldn't do anything), but we're not really told which part that is.
Again it's mostly academic anyway unless your DM is handing the things out and/or letting you craft them for yourselves (or each other).
Magic :).
The book contains "guidance" and knowledge. However, the book is magical and always contains guidance and knowledge that you don't already have. So when different people read the book they read different things and it improves their stats but the knowledge imparted in the two cases isn't necessarily the same.
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I'm having a hard time finding an answer to this so I'm trying to ask now.
If you have benefited from a tome, obvoiusly you can wait forever to read it again. But if you found another one, could you read it and gain benefit?
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Not to question the almighty Quar1on. But how so? I'm looking for this to work so I'm trying to weed out any possibility that it doesn"t
What about the multiple item same name rule. Does that stop this?
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Once you've read the book, it's no longer affecting you. The multiple effects with the same name rule does not apply.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
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I’d agree, you find multiple tomes, you can read it multiple times. Though I’m pretty sure there’s a hard cap at 30 for ability scores, though I have no idea where I know that from.
That would be PHB Chapter 7, but it is not that well written
Yes, the effect of multiple tomes will stack since the magic happens, increases the stat, then ends leaving the stat increase behind.
However, since the occurrence of magic items is fundamentally up to the DM, it seems unlikely that you will find multiple tomes of the same type. If a DM decided to put them in then they obviously don't mind a single character increasing their stats.
Also, if you happen to be playing Adventurers League, the rules there do restrict you to a single tome since they change it to a persistant magic item whose effect you can gain once and whose effect goes away if you no longer have the tome.
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I'm not sure it's quite that simple, as it can easily be argued both ways.
You can argue that the magical effect of the book is that you gain +2 to an ability score, in which case having that bonus is a persistent effect (similar to an "until dispelled" effect). However this does raise other potential complications such as being in an antimagic field – would you lose access to the bonus inside the field? Probably yes with this ruling.
On the other hand you could argue that the book merely imparts knowledge, and it's the knowledge itself that grants the bonus, so the two are disconnected (in a similar way to suppressing an area effect that harmed you earlier doesn't give you your hit-points back). However, if the effect is knowledge based, you surely can't learn the same thing twice?
You could argue that if you somehow obtain multiple tomes of leadership and influence then you can benefit from all of them, since they might contain different knowledge, but if you only have one and somehow bypass (or outlast) the century wait time, you can't read the same tome again (unless you somehow forgot what you learned the first time, along with the bonus it imparted).
I mean ultimately it's a DM decision no matter how you rule it, because the DM decides on your access to these items in the first place, and whether you can attempt to craft them (which arguably should be impossible as you can't really learn what you already know but better).
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It's pretty clear that they don't just have knowledge, and that reading one after crafting it still bears benefits.
Anyways, I have honestly no clue if ability score boosts are permanent or not. If they aren't, as you suggested, then that actually makes something in multiclassing confusing. Say you're an artificer 4/wizard whatever. You used the artificer ASI to add 2 to your intelligence. Since the rules for multiclassing say to ignore levels in other classes, would the extra +1 in your intelligence modifier let you prepare one extra wizard spell? It would if ASIs are fundamental changes to your character, just as the magical tomes would be stackable, but if they are just features like anything else then your wizard would be a spell short, just as magical tomes would be ongoing effects and therefore not stackable.
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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While it'd be very unlikely that a second magical Tome of the same nature is found in my campaign, wether running published adventure or my very own, since no rules prevent it i would theorically let a character benefit from it again, unless there was abuse in some way where i would most likely limit it instead.
The description of the tome of leadership and influence is literally that it contains "guidance" which is basically advice or knowledge, but how can your own guidance be of use to yourself? While it says that the words are "charged with magic" we have nothing that really tells us what that means mechanically. The rules for crafting are admittedly pretty loose and ill-defined though, as DMs can impose any extra restrictions they like, so they may or may not make this one of them.
I'm not sure I fully follow the problem here? Ability score increases are class features not magical effects; the issue for me with the tomes is that as magic items some part of them must be a magical effect (otherwise they wouldn't do anything), but we're not really told which part that is.
Again it's mostly academic anyway unless your DM is handing the things out and/or letting you craft them for yourselves (or each other).
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Magic :).
The book contains "guidance" and knowledge. However, the book is magical and always contains guidance and knowledge that you don't already have. So when different people read the book they read different things and it improves their stats but the knowledge imparted in the two cases isn't necessarily the same.