Perhaps think of a street magician performing sleight of hand tricks. The audience is usually looking right at the magician and yet still don't see what is going on or how the magician is hiding and producing objects. The key is usually getting the focus of attention of the observer to not look at what the magician is doing. Having blindsight wouldn't necessarily change that. In the end, it is a DM call but I don't think that having blind sight would prevent a rogue from using a sleight of hand skill to pickpocket or perform some other action.
I'm of the opinion that no sense should be infallible and can be defeated with a high enough stealth check etc. Blind sight is usually a combination of other senses and not supernatural in nature. I would assume that a trained fighting style falls into that category.
A slight of hand check to pickpocket is specifically trying to not make noise and keep movement fluid so I would say there is a low chance of noticing it if you weren't specifically paying attention for it. But as always ask the DM.
I think it depends on the nature of blindsight...my wild mage PC swapped eyes with an eldritch horror (custom wild magic table), and the DM ruled my blindsight functioned practically infallibly, including seeing through walls. The downside is I was completely blind outside the 60' radius of the blindsight.
Since blindsight is not super well defined, DM fiat is pretty important to determine its limits.
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I recently picked up the blind fighting style and have two rogues in the party which led to an interesting question:
If a person rolls a sleight of hand check in the area of a blindsight creatures effective range, do they automatically see it?
I know the rules for illusions, and other perceived effects but can't find anything about how to handle attempts at hiding actions.
Thoughts?
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Perhaps think of a street magician performing sleight of hand tricks. The audience is usually looking right at the magician and yet still don't see what is going on or how the magician is hiding and producing objects. The key is usually getting the focus of attention of the observer to not look at what the magician is doing. Having blindsight wouldn't necessarily change that. In the end, it is a DM call but I don't think that having blind sight would prevent a rogue from using a sleight of hand skill to pickpocket or perform some other action.
I'm of the opinion that no sense should be infallible and can be defeated with a high enough stealth check etc. Blind sight is usually a combination of other senses and not supernatural in nature. I would assume that a trained fighting style falls into that category.
A slight of hand check to pickpocket is specifically trying to not make noise and keep movement fluid so I would say there is a low chance of noticing it if you weren't specifically paying attention for it. But as always ask the DM.
Yes, but also, Truesight and True Seeing don't say that they defeat hiding or sleight of hand either.
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I'm going to make this way harder than it needs to be.
I think it depends on the nature of blindsight...my wild mage PC swapped eyes with an eldritch horror (custom wild magic table), and the DM ruled my blindsight functioned practically infallibly, including seeing through walls. The downside is I was completely blind outside the 60' radius of the blindsight.
Since blindsight is not super well defined, DM fiat is pretty important to determine its limits.