Hi everyone. I am running a game with friends. One of them is playing a paladin. He had an uncommon idea that we still arguing about. He's not happy with my ruling.
The paladin was out of holy water. He needed to make some. But the party was far from any water source (and no water on them). So (and it becomes strange now), the Paladin told me " Ok, I pee in a bottle, I use " Purify food and Drink " on it " ". Then, the player tells me that he makes holy water from it by the usual way (description in the " Holy water " item page).
I said that urine is already "pure", it's sterile, and the spell is made to purify drinks to make it drinkable. So, you can't really purify urine, and make holy water from it.
We're laughing of it now, but he still frustrated by my decision. This stupid situation make me come here and ask if I did right, or if you think that he could make Holy Water from pee (And gosh, I never thought that I would write this sentence one day).
Holy Water's description doesn't actually say it requires water to create, only 25gp worth of powdered silver, so the as-close-to-RAW-as-possible ruling on that side of the situation is that the whole pee scenario was wholly unnecessary.
But, let's say you do want to specifically require water. Given that premise, you ruled correctly. Purify Food and Drink does not turn urine into water any more than it turns wine into water. It renders the urine free of poison and disease, but as you point out, that should probably already be the case.
There's always room for flexibility in such rulings, depending on the tone of your game. Some games are more comedic and you may allow something like this if it matches your group's sense of humor. I take my game more seriously, and I would definitely hold to the actual spell text in this case.
Turning urine into fresh water wouldn't require anything more than a still and fire, which is very simple old world technology, so if a player wants to burn a spell slot to achieve the same effect, I'd be inclined to let them if they give it some RP flair.
And to distill it would require tools (probably brewing or alchemy could do it).
Having a sealable pot and a copper condenser coil would be fastest, but the only "tools" you need are a water repellant tarp and a cup. There is also the option of freeze distillation. With nearly any amount of magic, these kinds of processes become very accessible.
And to distill it would require tools (probably brewing or alchemy could do it).
Having a sealable pot and a copper condenser coil would be fastest, but the only "tools" you need are a water repellant tarp and a cup. There is also the option of freeze distillation. With nearly any amount of magic, these kinds of processes become very accessible.
I guess a survival check (or two) also works where a tool can just auto succeed.
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Hi everyone. I am running a game with friends. One of them is playing a paladin. He had an uncommon idea that we still arguing about. He's not happy with my ruling.
The paladin was out of holy water. He needed to make some. But the party was far from any water source (and no water on them). So (and it becomes strange now), the Paladin told me " Ok, I pee in a bottle, I use " Purify food and Drink " on it " ". Then, the player tells me that he makes holy water from it by the usual way (description in the " Holy water " item page).
I said that urine is already "pure", it's sterile, and the spell is made to purify drinks to make it drinkable. So, you can't really purify urine, and make holy water from it.
We're laughing of it now, but he still frustrated by my decision. This stupid situation make me come here and ask if I did right, or if you think that he could make Holy Water from pee (And gosh, I never thought that I would write this sentence one day).
Thank you for your reading :)
Holy Water's description doesn't actually say it requires water to create, only 25gp worth of powdered silver, so the as-close-to-RAW-as-possible ruling on that side of the situation is that the whole pee scenario was wholly unnecessary.
But, let's say you do want to specifically require water. Given that premise, you ruled correctly. Purify Food and Drink does not turn urine into water any more than it turns wine into water. It renders the urine free of poison and disease, but as you point out, that should probably already be the case.
There's always room for flexibility in such rulings, depending on the tone of your game. Some games are more comedic and you may allow something like this if it matches your group's sense of humor. I take my game more seriously, and I would definitely hold to the actual spell text in this case.
Turning urine into fresh water wouldn't require anything more than a still and fire, which is very simple old world technology, so if a player wants to burn a spell slot to achieve the same effect, I'd be inclined to let them if they give it some RP flair.
They actually added the ritual to create holy water (flask) with ceremony.
Anyway, you ruled right about purify. And to distill it would require tools (probably brewing or alchemy could do it).
Having a sealable pot and a copper condenser coil would be fastest, but the only "tools" you need are a water repellant tarp and a cup. There is also the option of freeze distillation. With nearly any amount of magic, these kinds of processes become very accessible.
I guess a survival check (or two) also works where a tool can just auto succeed.