The multiclassed spellcasting rules tell you exactly how to handle paladins. Artificers work very similarly, but their rules are in the artificer class because they were published later.
From the PHB: “Spell Slots. You determine your available spell slots by adding together all your levels in the bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, and wizard classes, half your levels (rounded down) in the paladin and ranger classes, and a third of your fighter or rogue levels (rounded down) if you have the Eldritch Knight or the Arcane Trickster feature. Use this total to determine your spell slots by consulting the Multiclass Spellcaster table.“
And from the artificer’s multiclassing rules: “Spell Slots. Add half your levels (rounded up) in the artificer class to the appropriate levels from other classes to determine your available spell slots.” Note the key difference: paladins and rangers round down, but artificers round up.
I don’t know who told you that nonsense about paladins and artificers not being spellcasters, but I would encourage them to, you know, read the rules.
The trick with multi-classing is you almost always want a 'main' class, and a 'minor' class. Because the higher level abilities are better than lower level abilities, particularly spells. Better to play a Cleric Artificer 2/8 than Cleric 5/Art 5.
semi connected: if I go rouge w/ magic initiate (lvl 5) since you get a lvl 1 spell from it, but a normal rogue doesn't have spell slots, how does it work?
Also, if I did 1 level of ranger, do I still count it as 1 for a minimum, or does it round down to 0?
semi connected: if I go rouge w/ magic initiate (lvl 5) since you get a lvl 1 spell from it, but a normal rogue doesn't have spell slots, how does it work?
Also, if I did 1 level of ranger, do I still count it as 1 for a minimum, or does it round down to 0?
The Magic Initiate feat has no effect on any spell slots, regardless of class or multiclass.
And you always round down in 5e, unless otherwise specified.
Level 1 Ranger's don't have the spellcasting feature so they're not included in the multiclass spellcasting rules because you only include your classes that have the spellcasting feature.
Level 1 Ranger's don't have the spellcasting feature so they're not included in the multiclass spellcasting rules because you only include your classes that have the spellcasting feature.
The multiclass spellcasting rules don't make distinctions like that. You always include ranger levels, no matter how many of them you have. A single level just doesn't actually affect the final sum, because those same rules tell you explicitly to halve them and round down.
Level 1 Ranger's don't have the spellcasting feature so they're not included in the multiclass spellcasting rules because you only include your classes that have the spellcasting feature.
A Ranger is always a spellcaster because the base class gains the spellcasting feature. This is not true for Fighter/Rogue because they have to choose a specific subclass with the spellcasting feature before they are actually spellcasters.
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You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
If you are a Bard 8 and Ranger 1 you are still a single classed spellcaster. Ranger 1 doesn't have the spellcasting feature because they get it at level 2.
Interesting, I missed that, and no you're not taking it too literally as that's literally what it says. :P
Being at level 2, and rounding down, doesn't change the end result... just feels awkward.
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You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
If you are a Bard 8 and Ranger 1 you are still a single classed spellcaster. Ranger 1 doesn't have the spellcasting feature because they get it at level 2.
Am I taking it too literally?
Nah, I missed that too, although an interesting and completely irrelevant edge case is that your single level of ranger or paladin does count if you have multiple Spellcasting features from other classes, haha (e.g. Bard 8/Wizard 3/Ranger 1).
I ran a cleric/artificer the other day and used the the multiclassing spell chart.
I was told I cant use that chart because paladins and Artificers are not considered spellcasters.
so a person who can cast spells isn't considered a spellcaster? and what book is this information (if true) located in?
They people who said this state the information is from a podcast. But is a podcast considered official?
The Multiclassing spell slot table in Chapter 6 of the PHB is used when you have one or more classes with the "Spellcasting" class feature. This includes "full" spellcasters like Wizards and Clerics, as well as "partial" spellcasters like Eldritch Knights, Paladins and Artificers. Along with the table is a formula to determine your "caster level" when using that table. Artificer isn't mentioned in that chapter, but the class description for Artificer includes a section on what you need to know when playing a multiclassed Artificer.
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I ran a cleric/artificer the other day and used the the multiclassing spell chart.
I was told I cant use that chart because paladins and Artificers are not considered spellcasters.
so a person who can cast spells isn't considered a spellcaster? and what book is this information (if true) located in?
They people who said this state the information is from a podcast. But is a podcast considered official?
The multiclassed spellcasting rules tell you exactly how to handle paladins. Artificers work very similarly, but their rules are in the artificer class because they were published later.
From the PHB: “Spell Slots. You determine your available spell slots by adding together all your levels in the bard, cleric, druid, sorcerer, and wizard classes, half your levels (rounded down) in the paladin and ranger classes, and a third of your fighter or rogue levels (rounded down) if you have the Eldritch Knight or the Arcane Trickster feature. Use this total to determine your spell slots by consulting the Multiclass Spellcaster table.“
And from the artificer’s multiclassing rules: “Spell Slots. Add half your levels (rounded up) in the artificer class to the appropriate levels from other classes to determine your available spell slots.” Note the key difference: paladins and rangers round down, but artificers round up.
I don’t know who told you that nonsense about paladins and artificers not being spellcasters, but I would encourage them to, you know, read the rules.
Also, a podcast is never considered official.
The trick with multi-classing is you almost always want a 'main' class, and a 'minor' class. Because the higher level abilities are better than lower level abilities, particularly spells. Better to play a Cleric Artificer 2/8 than Cleric 5/Art 5.
semi connected: if I go rouge w/ magic initiate (lvl 5) since you get a lvl 1 spell from it, but a normal rogue doesn't have spell slots, how does it work?
Also, if I did 1 level of ranger, do I still count it as 1 for a minimum, or does it round down to 0?
they said it is part of the twitter feed (whats that?) and that he's the guy who writes the books
Maybe you missed the word "full"? Paladins and Artificers are not "full spellcasters" because they gain spell slots slower and only up to 5th level.
The Magic Initiate feat has no effect on any spell slots, regardless of class or multiclass.
And you always round down in 5e, unless otherwise specified.
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Level 1 Ranger's don't have the spellcasting feature so they're not included in the multiclass spellcasting rules because you only include your classes that have the spellcasting feature.
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The multiclass spellcasting rules don't make distinctions like that. You always include ranger levels, no matter how many of them you have. A single level just doesn't actually affect the final sum, because those same rules tell you explicitly to halve them and round down.
A Ranger is always a spellcaster because the base class gains the spellcasting feature. This is not true for Fighter/Rogue because they have to choose a specific subclass with the spellcasting feature before they are actually spellcasters.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Except the rules don't say that...?
If you are a Bard 8 and Ranger 1 you are still a single classed spellcaster. Ranger 1 doesn't have the spellcasting feature because they get it at level 2.
Am I taking it too literally?
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Interesting, I missed that, and no you're not taking it too literally as that's literally what it says. :P
Being at level 2, and rounding down, doesn't change the end result... just feels awkward.
You don't know what fear is until you've witnessed a drunk bird divebombing you while carrying a screaming Kobold throwing fire anywhere and everywhere.
Nah, I missed that too, although an interesting and completely irrelevant edge case is that your single level of ranger or paladin does count if you have multiple Spellcasting features from other classes, haha (e.g. Bard 8/Wizard 3/Ranger 1).
The Multiclassing spell slot table in Chapter 6 of the PHB is used when you have one or more classes with the "Spellcasting" class feature. This includes "full" spellcasters like Wizards and Clerics, as well as "partial" spellcasters like Eldritch Knights, Paladins and Artificers. Along with the table is a formula to determine your "caster level" when using that table. Artificer isn't mentioned in that chapter, but the class description for Artificer includes a section on what you need to know when playing a multiclassed Artificer.