next sorcerer question:-) It appears that the sorcerer can choose which school to take spells from with the mentioned feat/background thingies: cleric, druid or wizard.
This is currently causing confusion in my campaign, because there aren't all cleric spells available through this feature.
Is this a correct interpretation, or would it make sense to limit the sorcerer to the sorcerer spell list? Yeah in the end it's all DMs discretion, but I'd love to hear your opinions about this.
In the 2024 rules, the magic initiate feat allows you to grab spells from any of the wizard, druid, or cleric spell lists. This is a change from the 2014 rules which allowed you to pick from any spell list. You can no longer use Magic Initiate to get spells from the Bard, Sorcerer, Warlock, Paladin, or Ranger spell lists.
Also, Magic Initiate now lets you pick which mental stat will be used for the casting of the spell, as opposed to using the default stat used by the class you chose the spells as in the 2014 rules.
Keep in mind though, that if the Acolyte background is chosen, the gained magic initiate feat is specifically for getting spells from the Cleric spell list. There are other backgrounds that offer the other Magic Initiate options (Guide for Druid spells, Sage for Wizard spells), or you can use the rules from the DMG for creating custom backgrounds.
Thank you. Right, but what if a Sorcerer chooses magic initiate (cleric)? They are already a strong class, do they get cleric spells then? If the answer is "yes", the cantrips/spells available at 1st level seem to be a subset. What if the player isn't content with that subset?
Lets say, a cleric studies/serves in a monestary until they have the cleric spells granted from their deity, they can't have sorcerer spells unless they do multi-class. The analogue happens with a wizard, they study pretty powerful magic but can't access sorcerer spells. Sorcerers otoh have "innate magic"(tm), but can also access druid, wizard, and cleric spells (for instance if choosing the feat multiple times)?
Is this notion correct or am I missing something? I see the potential for intragroup dynamics if a player has some outstanding abilities. Well they all have outstanding abilities these days, but some might be more outstanding than others:-)
Magic Initiate (Cleric) would allow the Sorcerer to learn 2 Cantrips and a single Level 1 Spell, for example they could learn Guidance, Thaumaturgy, and Bless. They do not get access to the entire Cleric spell list (assuming that they aren't taking the Divine Soul subclass). If that character wants to learn more spells from a different spell list, they will have to learn them through another means (multiclassing, etc).
This is correct, just two cantrips and one first level, a sorcerer with access to all cleric spells would likely cause a lot of unexpected metamagic shenanigans that wasnt intended
This is correct, just two cantrips and one first level, a sorcerer with access to all cleric spells would likely cause a lot of unexpected metamagic shenanigans that wasnt intended
This exact thing was published in Xanathar's Guide to Everything and it seemed to do okay.
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Hi,
next sorcerer question:-) It appears that the sorcerer can choose which school to take spells from with the mentioned feat/background thingies: cleric, druid or wizard.
This is currently causing confusion in my campaign, because there aren't all cleric spells available through this feature.
Is this a correct interpretation, or would it make sense to limit the sorcerer to the sorcerer spell list?
Yeah in the end it's all DMs discretion, but I'd love to hear your opinions about this.
Thanks for any help clarifying :-)
Max
p.s.: imo 5e 2024 is causing too much confusion
In the 2024 rules, the magic initiate feat allows you to grab spells from any of the wizard, druid, or cleric spell lists. This is a change from the 2014 rules which allowed you to pick from any spell list. You can no longer use Magic Initiate to get spells from the Bard, Sorcerer, Warlock, Paladin, or Ranger spell lists.
Also, Magic Initiate now lets you pick which mental stat will be used for the casting of the spell, as opposed to using the default stat used by the class you chose the spells as in the 2014 rules.
Keep in mind though, that if the Acolyte background is chosen, the gained magic initiate feat is specifically for getting spells from the Cleric spell list. There are other backgrounds that offer the other Magic Initiate options (Guide for Druid spells, Sage for Wizard spells), or you can use the rules from the DMG for creating custom backgrounds.
Thank you. Right, but what if a Sorcerer chooses magic initiate (cleric)? They are already a strong class, do they get cleric spells then?
If the answer is "yes", the cantrips/spells available at 1st level seem to be a subset. What if the player isn't content with that subset?
Lets say, a cleric studies/serves in a monestary until they have the cleric spells granted from their deity, they can't have sorcerer spells unless they do multi-class.
The analogue happens with a wizard, they study pretty powerful magic but can't access sorcerer spells.
Sorcerers otoh have "innate magic"(tm), but can also access druid, wizard, and cleric spells (for instance if choosing the feat multiple times)?
Is this notion correct or am I missing something?
I see the potential for intragroup dynamics if a player has some outstanding abilities. Well they all have outstanding abilities these days, but some might be more outstanding than others:-)
Magic Initiate (Cleric) would allow the Sorcerer to learn 2 Cantrips and a single Level 1 Spell, for example they could learn Guidance, Thaumaturgy, and Bless. They do not get access to the entire Cleric spell list (assuming that they aren't taking the Divine Soul subclass). If that character wants to learn more spells from a different spell list, they will have to learn them through another means (multiclassing, etc).
This is correct, just two cantrips and one first level, a sorcerer with access to all cleric spells would likely cause a lot of unexpected metamagic shenanigans that wasnt intended
This exact thing was published in Xanathar's Guide to Everything and it seemed to do okay.
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