Can you please look at taking into account the ownership of a book, instead of what I paid for a book... I've already brought this up when you did the Essentials Kit Bundle because it looks like I am missing content because your Martketplace says I am missing 5.10$ worth of content. Your new critter bundles this looks even worse as one bundle says 55.48$ and the other 109.47$
To be fair, this was explained to me before using this logic. Using the Essentials Kit Bundle, I bought the individual books within that bundle using a promo code that ended up saving me 5.10$. So even though I own all the books, since I paid less than the bundle thinks I should have, it is still listed as something I can buy. Which isn't a very user friendly, because as a consumer, I am not going to by default, look at the bundle and go, "Oh I saved 5.10$", I am going to look at it and say "I am missing 5.10$ worth of content".
I don't know your backend, or your programmers, but it seriously can't be complicated to check if I own all of the content in the bundle and go act as if I bought the bundle already. Instead of listing it as something I can buy? Using the new Critter Bundles, at first I thought I was missing 109.47$ worth of content, but instead your saying, I saved 109.47$ because I bought the legendary bundle and then had a discount on my books after that.
Basically, its confusing for a consumer to look at, so why present it that way instead of doing a simple check to see if they own all of the content within the bundle. If they are missing just one item, list it as you currently do.
EDIT: TO BE VERY CLEAR OF WHY I FIND THIS TO BE AN ISSUE PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING
So I do understand that, the reason, I see these prices even though I own everything within the bundle, is because I own all of the content in them, and got them at a discounted rate via the Legendary Bundle or Promo Codes. However my concern is that I already own everything inside of that bundle and its at that point where I think the consideration for what you paid for those items needs to be stopped.
Since I own all of the content located within the bundle, why should I be allowed to go through and purchase 109$ worth of nothingness? Because that is essentially what I am doing. At least if I walk into a brick and mortar store, If I buy a book twice, I own that book twice. Here, buying the players handbook twice literally does nothing. I am not provided with a code I could share. I literally just throw away 109$.
So the answer is simple, Don't buy it. Duh, that is what I am doing. My concern is why should I have to worry about paying for content twice, when they simply could hide the option by check I already own the content. Let's be clear, if you own every piece of content besides one item in a bundle, they should keep doing exactly what they are already doing. I believe to be more clear to their users and consumers, they should check to see if you own all of that content before listing the bundle with a purchase price. Even if they are going to keep the system they way it is now, they should at very least do what steam does when you try to purchase the same game twice and say "Hey you already own this content and can not purchase it again"
EDIT: Please be aware, I know this is a really simple example and their marketplace is rather complicated, I was just trying to say, they should take into account the content you own, not what you paid for that content.
Technically if you wanted to be really user friendly, your bundle logic should look something like this:
Bundle cost 80.97$ or 68.82$ with Legendary Discount. The bundle includes:
Explorer’s Guide to Wildemount 29.99$ or 25.49$
Player’s Handbook 29.99$ or 25.49$
Xanathar’s Guide to Everything 29.99$ or 25.49$
Which means the total cost of the bundle would be 89.97$ or 76.47$, but buying it as a bundle you save hence the 80.97$ or 68.82$ price tag.
But lets say I owned the Players handbook, this now means the cost of the items in the bundle are actually 59.98$ or 50.98$. Meaning the bundle should be listed as 59.98$ or 50.98$ instead of 80.97$ or 68.82$. Because those two books remaining books total value is less than the value of the bundle. If I owned all three books, the bundle should be listed as 0.00$ or as bought, because I can't receive any content by purchasing this bundle at this point.
It's important to remember that bundles are discounted based on the money spent on the included books, not their value. Listing the price of a bundle as anything less than Total Price - (Amount Spent on Constituent Books) - (Bundle Discounts) would be misleading as to how DDB's system of crediting purchases works.
I get that, but the very least they could do is check to see if you own all of the content in the bundle, and if you do, it display the bundle as owned. Because right now, nothing in there store is going to stop me from clicking on that Critter Bundle, and spend 55$. Doing so would grant me zero new content, It's misleading consumer information.
I get my second example, is more complicated but literally checking to see if you own all of the content and then marking the bundle as owned, is not complicated. I don't even care what system they are using, you can essentially do all of that using basic SQL.
EDIT: Take the image below as an example, I own every piece of content that D&D Beyond has on their market place. The following image isn't telling me that I saved 55$, 109$ or 5$. It's saying I can buy these bundles and I would save that much doing so, but buying those bundles would literally reward me with nothing I don't already own.
I'm seeing the same thing on the Critter Beyond Bundle. I already own the other 4 pieces of it, so Wildemount ($29.99) alone is $46.50 if I buy the bundle. I think their discounting is janky right now.
Someone replied to me on FB, and apparently it's not the cost of the books, but how much you've actually spent on them that discounts the amount. So discount codes might make it so you don't get as good a discount with the bundle.
I know and understand that. Basically the reason it says the Essentials Bundle costs 5.10$ for me is because I spent 5.10$ less than the total cost of the bundle because I used a promo code.
However, the problem is that I own all of the content within the bundle, so why does it say I can even buy it? If you are someone who doesn't own all of the content in the bundle, I understand why and how the system works. However, once you own all of the content contained in the bundle, it shouldn't matter how much you spent to acquire the content. It should go, you get all of this content for this much, oh, you own all of the content, then you can't buy the bundle.
Basically if you own all of the content within a bundle, but paid less, the discount basically shows you how much you saved using promo codes, but its still pointless to even show me the bundle, as I own all of its contents.
EDIT: Either way, this is my final attempt to get them to fix there system, if there next bundle shows the same way, I am just going to attempt to report them to BBB for misleading consumers. Because right now, there system will let me pay 109$ for content I already own. It in no way shows me that I already own that content nor does it tell me I already own that content. It basically says "Hey buy this bundle for only 109.47$ and save 25.49$ on content I already own. Will this do anything, probably not, but after the 3rd strike I am done trying to get them to fix their misleading system and might as well try the BBB. This is a really easy problem to fix, All they have to do is check to see if you own all of the content within the bundle or not.
The bundle should just say owned if I own everything.
I don't have a problem with the way DDB handles purchase credit, but the bundle should not display if the cost of the bundle is greater than the cost of the unowned sources.
I own the up-to-date legendary bundle and the new critter bundles show up as ~$10-$20 per bundle. Like many here I wouldn't get anything by buying them I'm more just annoyed they're on the marketplace and theoretically I could purchase them by mistake even though I own the content.
I agree with TigerApricot. If I own everything in the bundle, there's no need to display it. It does feel like someone that might not realize could snap it up and spend some amount of money on literally nothing. If anything it would likely save support time by not having them listed.
They already do check what you have that is part of the bundle as the bundle prices take into account what you have spent on those items specific to the bundle or book parts, hence why it can ask you to pay X when you alredy own all the parts.
Say you bought the PHB, DMG, MM and Xanathar's, the critter beyond bundle knows already how much you spent on those books (likely even if you got them in other bundles) thus a check is already being done, and excludes what you may have paid on things like Mordenkainen’s or SCAG (the bits paid for that are not included in the bundle).
It isn't that much effort to add up the parts that are left over and apply the bundle's discount, or even just show the lower cost of paying full price (as if bought individually) for the last bits or the cost unpaid at that point.
If you continue to price the bundles like this, you are guilty of false advertising.
Earlier you advertised a sale for the source books contained in the bundles. But now you are demanding that we pay you the advertised price reduction. To me that does not sound like a legal business practice - and certainly not like a moral thing to do.
If you continue to price the bundles like this, you are guilty of false advertising.
Earlier you advertised a sale for the source books contained in the bundles. But now you are demanding that we pay you the advertised price reduction. To me that does not sound like a legal business practice - and certainly not like a moral thing to do.
They are not falsely advertising anything. They always state the following:
Any moneyspent on a book will be credited towards the price of a bundle containing that book
The codes provided earlier discounted how much you had to spend on books in your cart
If the amount you save on individual books is greater than the discount provided on a bundle, the bundle will list a remaining ammount
You will never pay more than the bundle price
If a bundle contains five $30 books and has a 10% discount, it will have a price of $135. If you buy those five books individually with 15% discounts, you will have $127.50 credit towards that bundle because that is how much you spent. Because the amount you spent is less than the price of the bundle itself, it will list a price of $7.50. You do not need to purchase that bundle as you have the books. If you read the description of the bundle, you will be able to see it contains the books you already own. There is no falsity, no claims the bundle offers anything that it doesn't.
If you continue to price the bundles like this, you are guilty of false advertising.
Earlier you advertised a sale for the source books contained in the bundles. But now you are demanding that we pay you the advertised price reduction. To me that does not sound like a legal business practice - and certainly not like a moral thing to do.
They are not falsely advertising anything. They always state the following:
Any moneyspent on a book will be credited towards the price of a bundle containing that book
The codes provided earlier discounted how much you had to spend on books in your cart
If the amount you save on individual books is greater than the discount provided on a bundle, the bundle will list a remaining ammount
You will never pay more than the bundle price
If a bundle contains five $30 books and has a 10% discount, it will have a price of $135. If you buy those five books individually with 15% discounts, you will have $127.50 credit towards that bundle because that is how much you spent. Because the amount you spent is less than the price of the bundle itself, it will list a price of $7.50. You do not need to purchase that bundle as you have the books. If you read the description of the bundle, you will be able to see it contains the books you already own. There is no falsity, no claims the bundle offers anything that it doesn't.
DUDE check that sub category we are in.... OH CRAP ITS THE FEEDBACK SUBSECTION. You know the subsection in which you make request to help improve the sites features and user friendliness?!?!??!
I've already explained how it work in the original post, that doesn't mean there current solution is perfect for consumers. All we all simply want is for them to add a another check to everything else they are doing.
Whats that check, Does the user own ALL of the content within the bundle?
If yes, list bundle as 0.00$ (It shouldn't matter what I spent if I own ALL of the content contained with in the bundle)
If no, do what they are currently doing.
That is all everyone here wants. Please stop explaining how the system works, we understand how it works, we can also see it's flawed because it will literally let me buy NOTHING for a 109$. Like Literally nothing but I can buy it.
If you continue to price the bundles like this, you are guilty of false advertising.
Earlier you advertised a sale for the source books contained in the bundles. But now you are demanding that we pay you the advertised price reduction. To me that does not sound like a legal business practice - and certainly not like a moral thing to do.
They are not falsely advertising anything. They always state the following:
Any moneyspent on a book will be credited towards the price of a bundle containing that book
The codes provided earlier discounted how much you had to spend on books in your cart
If the amount you save on individual books is greater than the discount provided on a bundle, the bundle will list a remaining ammount
You will never pay more than the bundle price
If a bundle contains five $30 books and has a 10% discount, it will have a price of $135. If you buy those five books individually with 15% discounts, you will have $127.50 credit towards that bundle because that is how much you spent. Because the amount you spent is less than the price of the bundle itself, it will list a price of $7.50. You do not need to purchase that bundle as you have the books. If you read the description of the bundle, you will be able to see it contains the books you already own. There is no falsity, no claims the bundle offers anything that it doesn't.
Also
WHAT IS MISLEADING ADVERTISING?
Misleading advertising occurs when, in the promotion of a product or any business interest, a representation is made to the public that is false or materially misleading. If a representation could influence a consumer to buy the product or service advertised, it is material. To determine whether an advertisement is misleading, the courts consider the "general impression" it conveys, as well as its literal meaning.
The problem made here, is that as a consumer, I can make a case that they are misleading consumers by telling us we will receive this content if we buy this bundle. Currently as D&D Beyond has now way to provide me with the same content twice and that no where in the steps of buying the bundle does it already inform me that I already own that content (similar to what Steam does, see screenshot in Original Post).
Using the Critter Beyond Bundle as an example, they are Advertising to me something to me that has a value cost, however, if I give them the 109$ for that content, they have no way to provide it to me as I already own it on their site. This specific scenario is avoid in physical products, as I can own two players handbooks in real life, but I can't own two of the digitally on their site.
Now if they would give me keys I could give away if I bought the bundle, then yes this wouldn't be misleading information, but they do not give you keys for buying the same content twice. Therefore, I can make the argument that they are misleading consumers by telling them they will receive specific content for buying this item that they will NOT receive if they buy that item.
I just saw the marketplace and came here with my confusion. I have everything in the Critter Bundle already but it will apparently cost me $6.50 to buy it - even though by all accounts I won't get anything at all from it? I also have everything in the Critter Beyond Bundle and it will cost $13.21.
Basically I'm wondering why I'm allowed to buy it when I have everything in it? Is it basically going to be a donation to DNDBeyond? At least with the Legendary / Source / Adventure bundles you gain a permanent discount on all future purchases. These bundles don't seem to do that?
Yeah. While I'm not dumb enough to go buy these bundles that only contain things I already own, A) There is someone out there that is, and B) I want to not see those bundles full of nothing advertised to me for the rest of eternity because I didn't buy them.
I'm currently being asked to buy the Critter Bundle for $34.99, the Critter Beyond Bundle for $88.98, and the Essentials Kit Bundle for $1.99.
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Can you please look at taking into account the ownership of a book, instead of what I paid for a book... I've already brought this up when you did the Essentials Kit Bundle because it looks like I am missing content because your Martketplace says I am missing 5.10$ worth of content. Your new critter bundles this looks even worse as one bundle says 55.48$ and the other 109.47$
To be fair, this was explained to me before using this logic. Using the Essentials Kit Bundle, I bought the individual books within that bundle using a promo code that ended up saving me 5.10$. So even though I own all the books, since I paid less than the bundle thinks I should have, it is still listed as something I can buy. Which isn't a very user friendly, because as a consumer, I am not going to by default, look at the bundle and go, "Oh I saved 5.10$", I am going to look at it and say "I am missing 5.10$ worth of content".
I don't know your backend, or your programmers, but it seriously can't be complicated to check if I own all of the content in the bundle and go act as if I bought the bundle already. Instead of listing it as something I can buy? Using the new Critter Bundles, at first I thought I was missing 109.47$ worth of content, but instead your saying, I saved 109.47$ because I bought the legendary bundle and then had a discount on my books after that.
Basically, its confusing for a consumer to look at, so why present it that way instead of doing a simple check to see if they own all of the content within the bundle. If they are missing just one item, list it as you currently do.
EDIT: TO BE VERY CLEAR OF WHY I FIND THIS TO BE AN ISSUE PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING
So I do understand that, the reason, I see these prices even though I own everything within the bundle, is because I own all of the content in them, and got them at a discounted rate via the Legendary Bundle or Promo Codes. However my concern is that I already own everything inside of that bundle and its at that point where I think the consideration for what you paid for those items needs to be stopped.
Since I own all of the content located within the bundle, why should I be allowed to go through and purchase 109$ worth of nothingness? Because that is essentially what I am doing. At least if I walk into a brick and mortar store, If I buy a book twice, I own that book twice. Here, buying the players handbook twice literally does nothing. I am not provided with a code I could share. I literally just throw away 109$.
So the answer is simple, Don't buy it. Duh, that is what I am doing. My concern is why should I have to worry about paying for content twice, when they simply could hide the option by check I already own the content. Let's be clear, if you own every piece of content besides one item in a bundle, they should keep doing exactly what they are already doing. I believe to be more clear to their users and consumers, they should check to see if you own all of that content before listing the bundle with a purchase price. Even if they are going to keep the system they way it is now, they should at very least do what steam does when you try to purchase the same game twice and say "Hey you already own this content and can not purchase it again"
EDIT: Please be aware, I know this is a really simple example and their marketplace is rather complicated, I was just trying to say, they should take into account the content you own, not what you paid for that content.
Technically if you wanted to be really user friendly, your bundle logic should look something like this:
Bundle cost 80.97$ or 68.82$ with Legendary Discount.
The bundle includes:
Which means the total cost of the bundle would be 89.97$ or 76.47$, but buying it as a bundle you save hence the 80.97$ or 68.82$ price tag.
But lets say I owned the Players handbook, this now means the cost of the items in the bundle are actually 59.98$ or 50.98$. Meaning the bundle should be listed as 59.98$ or 50.98$ instead of 80.97$ or 68.82$. Because those two books remaining books total value is less than the value of the bundle. If I owned all three books, the bundle should be listed as 0.00$ or as bought, because I can't receive any content by purchasing this bundle at this point.
It's important to remember that bundles are discounted based on the money spent on the included books, not their value. Listing the price of a bundle as anything less than Total Price - (Amount Spent on Constituent Books) - (Bundle Discounts) would be misleading as to how DDB's system of crediting purchases works.
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I get that, but the very least they could do is check to see if you own all of the content in the bundle, and if you do, it display the bundle as owned. Because right now, nothing in there store is going to stop me from clicking on that Critter Bundle, and spend 55$. Doing so would grant me zero new content, It's misleading consumer information.
I get my second example, is more complicated but literally checking to see if you own all of the content and then marking the bundle as owned, is not complicated. I don't even care what system they are using, you can essentially do all of that using basic SQL.
EDIT: Take the image below as an example, I own every piece of content that D&D Beyond has on their market place. The following image isn't telling me that I saved 55$, 109$ or 5$. It's saying I can buy these bundles and I would save that much doing so, but buying those bundles would literally reward me with nothing I don't already own.
I'm seeing the same thing on the Critter Beyond Bundle. I already own the other 4 pieces of it, so Wildemount ($29.99) alone is $46.50 if I buy the bundle. I think their discounting is janky right now.
Someone replied to me on FB, and apparently it's not the cost of the books, but how much you've actually spent on them that discounts the amount. So discount codes might make it so you don't get as good a discount with the bundle.
I know and understand that. Basically the reason it says the Essentials Bundle costs 5.10$ for me is because I spent 5.10$ less than the total cost of the bundle because I used a promo code.
However, the problem is that I own all of the content within the bundle, so why does it say I can even buy it? If you are someone who doesn't own all of the content in the bundle, I understand why and how the system works. However, once you own all of the content contained in the bundle, it shouldn't matter how much you spent to acquire the content. It should go, you get all of this content for this much, oh, you own all of the content, then you can't buy the bundle.
Basically if you own all of the content within a bundle, but paid less, the discount basically shows you how much you saved using promo codes, but its still pointless to even show me the bundle, as I own all of its contents.
EDIT: Either way, this is my final attempt to get them to fix there system, if there next bundle shows the same way, I am just going to attempt to report them to BBB for misleading consumers. Because right now, there system will let me pay 109$ for content I already own. It in no way shows me that I already own that content nor does it tell me I already own that content. It basically says "Hey buy this bundle for only 109.47$ and save 25.49$ on content I already own. Will this do anything, probably not, but after the 3rd strike I am done trying to get them to fix their misleading system and might as well try the BBB. This is a really easy problem to fix, All they have to do is check to see if you own all of the content within the bundle or not.
The bundle should just say owned if I own everything.
I don't have a problem with the way DDB handles purchase credit, but the bundle should not display if the cost of the bundle is greater than the cost of the unowned sources.
I own the up-to-date legendary bundle and the new critter bundles show up as ~$10-$20 per bundle. Like many here I wouldn't get anything by buying them I'm more just annoyed they're on the marketplace and theoretically I could purchase them by mistake even though I own the content.
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I agree with TigerApricot. If I own everything in the bundle, there's no need to display it. It does feel like someone that might not realize could snap it up and spend some amount of money on literally nothing. If anything it would likely save support time by not having them listed.
They already do check what you have that is part of the bundle as the bundle prices take into account what you have spent on those items specific to the bundle or book parts, hence why it can ask you to pay X when you alredy own all the parts.
Say you bought the PHB, DMG, MM and Xanathar's, the critter beyond bundle knows already how much you spent on those books (likely even if you got them in other bundles) thus a check is already being done, and excludes what you may have paid on things like Mordenkainen’s or SCAG (the bits paid for that are not included in the bundle).
It isn't that much effort to add up the parts that are left over and apply the bundle's discount, or even just show the lower cost of paying full price (as if bought individually) for the last bits or the cost unpaid at that point.
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If you continue to price the bundles like this, you are guilty of false advertising.
Earlier you advertised a sale for the source books contained in the bundles. But now you are demanding that we pay you the advertised price reduction. To me that does not sound like a legal business practice - and certainly not like a moral thing to do.
They are not falsely advertising anything. They always state the following:
If a bundle contains five $30 books and has a 10% discount, it will have a price of $135. If you buy those five books individually with 15% discounts, you will have $127.50 credit towards that bundle because that is how much you spent. Because the amount you spent is less than the price of the bundle itself, it will list a price of $7.50. You do not need to purchase that bundle as you have the books. If you read the description of the bundle, you will be able to see it contains the books you already own. There is no falsity, no claims the bundle offers anything that it doesn't.
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
DUDE check that sub category we are in.... OH CRAP ITS THE FEEDBACK SUBSECTION. You know the subsection in which you make request to help improve the sites features and user friendliness?!?!??!
I've already explained how it work in the original post, that doesn't mean there current solution is perfect for consumers. All we all simply want is for them to add a another check to everything else they are doing.
Whats that check, Does the user own ALL of the content within the bundle?
That is all everyone here wants. Please stop explaining how the system works, we understand how it works, we can also see it's flawed because it will literally let me buy NOTHING for a 109$. Like Literally nothing but I can buy it.
Also
The problem made here, is that as a consumer, I can make a case that they are misleading consumers by telling us we will receive this content if we buy this bundle. Currently as D&D Beyond has now way to provide me with the same content twice and that no where in the steps of buying the bundle does it already inform me that I already own that content (similar to what Steam does, see screenshot in Original Post).
Using the Critter Beyond Bundle as an example, they are Advertising to me something to me that has a value cost, however, if I give them the 109$ for that content, they have no way to provide it to me as I already own it on their site. This specific scenario is avoid in physical products, as I can own two players handbooks in real life, but I can't own two of the digitally on their site.
Now if they would give me keys I could give away if I bought the bundle, then yes this wouldn't be misleading information, but they do not give you keys for buying the same content twice. Therefore, I can make the argument that they are misleading consumers by telling them they will receive specific content for buying this item that they will NOT receive if they buy that item.
I just saw the marketplace and came here with my confusion. I have everything in the Critter Bundle already but it will apparently cost me $6.50 to buy it - even though by all accounts I won't get anything at all from it?
I also have everything in the Critter Beyond Bundle and it will cost $13.21.
Basically I'm wondering why I'm allowed to buy it when I have everything in it? Is it basically going to be a donation to DNDBeyond?
At least with the Legendary / Source / Adventure bundles you gain a permanent discount on all future purchases. These bundles don't seem to do that?
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Yeah. While I'm not dumb enough to go buy these bundles that only contain things I already own, A) There is someone out there that is, and B) I want to not see those bundles full of nothing advertised to me for the rest of eternity because I didn't buy them.
I'm currently being asked to buy the Critter Bundle for $34.99, the Critter Beyond Bundle for $88.98, and the Essentials Kit Bundle for $1.99.