I am rebuilding a 2014 paladin as a new 2024 character. It's quite exciting to rethink how the character will work and play out, and the timing is good given it comes at a pivotal moment in our campaign when both the outlook and abilities of a character would certainly be expected to undergo some change.
The old paladin uses TCoE Oath Of The Watcher and is now Level 11. This means they have a +4 on Initiative and about 6 always-prepared spells.
The rebuilt 2024 almost works, except the TCoE part of it seems to have problems. The +4 does not show for initiative, and none of the always-prepared spells are visible in the spell list at all. Every other aspect, including things like the description of the "Aura Of The Sentinel" aspect which provides that +4 bonus, are showing correctly the character sheet. There can be no doubt that the character build has correctly selected that Oath and the system is "aware" of that connection.
It's quite strange that the 2014 and 2024 characters both seem to use an identical TCoE Oath, but clearly under-the-hood there's something different with given what seems to be a pretty big bug with the 2024 build, yet the 2014 character sheet still shows all the expected things. At least I can try and work around the missing items via "pen & paper" notes to list the "missing" spells and remind me about the missing +4.
I have found a few other threads herein where issues with "always-prepared" are mentioned, but for different classes and with core content only. Even so, perhaps what I am seeing is all part of the same problem.
Does anyone else see this, or have any work-around suggestions? Thanks!
I am rebuilding a 2014 paladin as a new 2024 character. It's quite exciting to rethink how the character will work and play out, and the timing is good given it comes at a pivotal moment in our campaign when both the outlook and abilities of a character would certainly be expected to undergo some change.
The old paladin uses TCoE Oath Of The Watcher and is now Level 11. This means they have a +4 on Initiative and about 6 always-prepared spells.
The rebuilt 2024 almost works, except the TCoE part of it seems to have problems. The +4 does not show for initiative, and none of the always-prepared spells are visible in the spell list at all. Every other aspect, including things like the description of the "Aura Of The Sentinel" aspect which provides that +4 bonus, are showing correctly the character sheet. There can be no doubt that the character build has correctly selected that Oath and the system is "aware" of that connection.
It's quite strange that the 2014 and 2024 characters both seem to use an identical TCoE Oath, but clearly under-the-hood there's something different with given what seems to be a pretty big bug with the 2024 build, yet the 2014 character sheet still shows all the expected things. At least I can try and work around the missing items via "pen & paper" notes to list the "missing" spells and remind me about the missing +4.
I have found a few other threads herein where issues with "always-prepared" are mentioned, but for different classes and with core content only. Even so, perhaps what I am seeing is all part of the same problem.
Does anyone else see this, or have any work-around suggestions? Thanks!
After some testing, I'm not sure this is based on the subclass. The only thing I was able to use to get a bonus to initiative on a 2024 character was a magic item. Homebrew feat didn't work for it either. The two subclasses appear to be coded as identical as we can see (though we can't see the use of the proficiency bonus in the homebrewer, that's all on the back end).
So that seems like a much more serious bug than I expected. Thanks for doing extra tests on that!
What's the correct channel for reporting this to Wizards, please? That's a serious enough problem that I imagine they'd like to know about it and it would probably end up at least in the "upper end" of priorities, though obviously not at the top :-)
So that seems like a much more serious bug than I expected. Thanks for doing extra tests on that!
What's the correct channel for reporting this to Wizards, please? That's a serious enough problem that I imagine they'd like to know about it and it would probably end up at least in the "upper end" of priorities, though obviously not at the top :-)
You already reported and linked in a Megathread, that should do it. Might want to also mention it in the 2024 PHB Megathread, since it looks like it's actually about the 2024 PHB class, not the subclass.
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I am rebuilding a 2014 paladin as a new 2024 character. It's quite exciting to rethink how the character will work and play out, and the timing is good given it comes at a pivotal moment in our campaign when both the outlook and abilities of a character would certainly be expected to undergo some change.
The old paladin uses TCoE Oath Of The Watcher and is now Level 11. This means they have a +4 on Initiative and about 6 always-prepared spells.
The rebuilt 2024 almost works, except the TCoE part of it seems to have problems. The +4 does not show for initiative, and none of the always-prepared spells are visible in the spell list at all. Every other aspect, including things like the description of the "Aura Of The Sentinel" aspect which provides that +4 bonus, are showing correctly the character sheet. There can be no doubt that the character build has correctly selected that Oath and the system is "aware" of that connection.
It's quite strange that the 2014 and 2024 characters both seem to use an identical TCoE Oath, but clearly under-the-hood there's something different with given what seems to be a pretty big bug with the 2024 build, yet the 2014 character sheet still shows all the expected things. At least I can try and work around the missing items via "pen & paper" notes to list the "missing" spells and remind me about the missing +4.
I have found a few other threads herein where issues with "always-prepared" are mentioned, but for different classes and with core content only. Even so, perhaps what I am seeing is all part of the same problem.
Does anyone else see this, or have any work-around suggestions? Thanks!
After some testing, I'm not sure this is based on the subclass. The only thing I was able to use to get a bonus to initiative on a 2024 character was a magic item. Homebrew feat didn't work for it either. The two subclasses appear to be coded as identical as we can see (though we can't see the use of the proficiency bonus in the homebrewer, that's all on the back end).
So that seems like a much more serious bug than I expected. Thanks for doing extra tests on that!
What's the correct channel for reporting this to Wizards, please? That's a serious enough problem that I imagine they'd like to know about it and it would probably end up at least in the "upper end" of priorities, though obviously not at the top :-)
You already reported and linked in a Megathread, that should do it. Might want to also mention it in the 2024 PHB Megathread, since it looks like it's actually about the 2024 PHB class, not the subclass.