I'm not sure if this is bug or just my own ineptness, to be honest, but I was planning out a character build and leveled up my Chronurgist Wizard to level 18 and got Spell Mastery as a class feature. For clarity, Spell Mastery reads as follows:
Spell Mastery
At 18th level, you have achieved such mastery over certain spells that you can cast them at will. Choose a 1st-level wizard spell and a 2nd-level wizard spell that are in your spellbook. You can cast those spells at their lowest level without expending a spell slot when you have them prepared. If you want to cast either spell at a higher level, you must expend a spell slot as normal.
By spending 8 hours in study, you can exchange one or both of the spells you chose for different spells of the same levels.
I wanted to choose the spells shield and fortune's favor. However, I can't seem to select fortune's favor. In fact, the spell doesn't even show up in the list despite the fact that it is in my spellbook. Is this because the spell has a material component that has a value attached to it? The feature above does not say that there's a restriction on choosing spells with expensive material components. Am I missing something or is this a glitch? Thanks!
Fortune's Favor is a Dunamancy spell and isn't on the Wizard Spell list, but on the Chronurgist spell list. As a consequence, it cannot be selected by Spell Mastery, which specifies a Wizard spell in your list.
yes, Chronurgist and Graviturgist are wizards, but they get access to the dunamancy spells by virtue of them being subclasses, like how Warlocks, Clerics, or Artificers get additional spells not on their class spell list from their subclasses.
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Your example is flawed though in the sense that any spells on a bonus/expanded spell list are considered class spells for that class. A Warlock with the Shield spell treats it as a Warlock spell. A Cleric with Fireball on a bonus list treats it as a Cleric spell. For example, here's the description of Doman Spells for a Cleric (emphasis mine):
Domain Spells
Each domain has a list of spells — its domain spells — that you gain at the cleric levels noted in the domain description. Once you gain a domain spell, you always have it prepared, and it doesn’t count against the number of spells you can prepare each day.
If you have a domain spell that doesn’t appear on the cleric spell list, the spell is nonetheless a cleric spell for you.
The same thing appears when you look at the expanded spell lists for Warlocks. For example, here's the description for the Fey patron (emphasis mine):
Expanded Spell List
The Archfey lets you choose from an expanded list of spells when you learn a warlock spell. The following spells are added to the warlock spell list for you.
In each of these cases it explicitly states that they become class spells for that class. Now to the case of a Wizard, you're correct that it doesn't explicitly say they are Wizard spells. It says the following (emphasis mine):
Dunamancy Spells
This section presents a sampling of spells developed through the manipulation of dunamis. These spells are available to the wizard subclasses previously mentioned in this chapter, as well as other spellcasting classes with the Dungeon Master’s consent (see the “Dunamancy for Non-Dunamancers” sidebar).
Now, I can understand that you might read that and think 'it doesn't explicitly say that they are considered wizard spells for those classes' RAW, but the fact that the game says explicitly in every other case (including the ones above) that the spells that are not normally on a class's list become class spells seems to be evidence, at least to me, that this is the RAI. If it isn't than this seems like quite an oversight with respect to these two subclasses.
Your example is flawed though in the sense that any spells on a bonus/expanded spell list are considered class spells for that class. A Warlock with the Shield spell treats it as a Warlock spell. A Cleric with Fireball on a bonus list treats it as a Cleric spell. For example, here's the description of Doman Spells for a Cleric (emphasis mine):
Domain Spells
Each domain has a list of spells — its domain spells — that you gain at the cleric levels noted in the domain description. Once you gain a domain spell, you always have it prepared, and it doesn’t count against the number of spells you can prepare each day.
If you have a domain spell that doesn’t appear on the cleric spell list, the spell is nonetheless a cleric spell for you.
The same thing appears when you look at the expanded spell lists for Warlocks. For example, here's the description for the Fey patron (emphasis mine):
Expanded Spell List
The Archfey lets you choose from an expanded list of spells when you learn a warlock spell. The following spells are added to the warlock spell list for you.
In each of these cases it explicitly states that they become class spells for that class. Now to the case of a Wizard, you're correct that it doesn't explicitly say they are Wizard spells. It says the following (emphasis mine):
Dunamancy Spells
This section presents a sampling of spells developed through the manipulation of dunamis. These spells are available to the wizard subclasses previously mentioned in this chapter, as well as other spellcasting classes with the Dungeon Master’s consent (see the “Dunamancy for Non-Dunamancers” sidebar).
Now, I can understand that you might read that and think 'it doesn't explicitly say that they are considered wizard spells for those classes' RAW, but the fact that the game says explicitly in every other case (including the ones above) that the spells that are not normally on a class's list become class spells seems to be evidence, at least to me, that this is the RAI. If it isn't than this seems like quite an oversight with respect to these two subclasses.
Treating it as if it is a Warlock, Cleric, or whatever spell is not the same as those spells being on the spell list.
A counterexample: The Ravnica backgrounds and the Dragonmark races *explicitly* add their expanded spells to the class spell list, instead of just giving you access and *treating* as a spell of that class. Why does this matter?
Mark of Healing Halfling lets you pick Healing Word as a Spell Mastery spell, because it is expressly and explicitly added to the class spell list, while the dunamancy spells still are not part of the base Wizard spell list and thus are not valid targets.
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Hmmm....perhaps I can see if I can get it houseruled by the DM then. I guess if I can't add it I'll have to look for an alternative. I guess I could take Web...or Misty Step.
Hmmm....perhaps I can see if I can get it houseruled by the DM then. I guess if I can't add it I'll have to look for an alternative. I guess I could take Web...or Misty Step.
if it makes you feel any better, I would totally houserule it on my end since you *are* a Chronurgist, but this is what the RAW is, unfortunately
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If these spells are not wizard spells, why then can I learn them as my free wizard spells on level up? Or prepare them, by studying my spellbook, which holds my wizard spells? If they are wizard spells for these purposes, there is no reason for them not to be available for Spell Mastery.
There is a difference between a spell being a Wizard spell and being on your Wizard's spell list.
The feature says, "Choose a 1st-level wizard spell" - so that is from all spells that are on the Wizard spell list.
If it said, "Choose any 1st level spell from your spell list" then yes, it should be possible to select the spell, along with any other spells that your character has been able to learn.
I know it seems like a picky detail, but we need to ensure that the rules are presented accurately, to the best of our ability, within the D&D Beyond toolset (there are always exceptions, where we're limited by how our system currently works or waiting for new code to support features).
In other words, because RAW doesn't explicitly state that the Dunamancy spells from Wildemount are Wizard spells, my gripe isn't with DDB so much as the designers themselves. lol
Yes, but then how does preparing spells work? "You prepare the list of wizard spells that are available for you to cast. To do so, choose a number of wizard spells from your spellbook equal to" if these aren't wizard spells, then how do you prepare them? They're not always prepared. DDB has you prepare them as if they were a wizard spell. "Each time you gain a wizard level, you can add two wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook for free." When I level up my graviturgist, I can pick a graviturgy spell as one of my two spells that I learn for free.
Yes, but then how does preparing spells work? "You prepare the list of wizard spells that are available for you to cast. To do so, choose a number of wizard spells from your spellbook equal to" if these aren't wizard spells, then how do you prepare them? They're not always prepared. DDB has you prepare them as if they were a wizard spell. "Each time you gain a wizard level, you can add two wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook for free." When I level up my graviturgist, I can pick a graviturgy spell as one of my two spells that I learn for free.
(bold text above is my emphasis) This is a really excellent point! If the spells are available to the Graviturgy/Chronurgy schools, but they aren't wizard spells, how would you get them into a spellbook in the first place?
By RAW, you wouldn't be able to get them from leveling up. Which would mean the only way to get them into a spellbook would be to find a scroll and scribe the spell. This doesn't seem to make sense given the description of Dunamancy from the EgtW. Moreover, it would immediately impact one of the most unique features of both of these subclasses. Thus, it seems reasonable to conclude that this isn't RAI.
If this isn't RAI, then it is logical to assume that these spells mustbe wizard spells in order for them to even be chosen during level up and placed within a spellbook. Therefore, by extension of this line of thought, they would be suitable candidates for Spell Mastery selections.
Hello everyone,
I'm not sure if this is bug or just my own ineptness, to be honest, but I was planning out a character build and leveled up my Chronurgist Wizard to level 18 and got Spell Mastery as a class feature. For clarity, Spell Mastery reads as follows:
I wanted to choose the spells shield and fortune's favor. However, I can't seem to select fortune's favor. In fact, the spell doesn't even show up in the list despite the fact that it is in my spellbook. Is this because the spell has a material component that has a value attached to it? The feature above does not say that there's a restriction on choosing spells with expensive material components. Am I missing something or is this a glitch? Thanks!
Fortune's Favor is a Dunamancy spell and isn't on the Wizard Spell list, but on the Chronurgist spell list. As a consequence, it cannot be selected by Spell Mastery, which specifies a Wizard spell in your list.
yes, Chronurgist and Graviturgist are wizards, but they get access to the dunamancy spells by virtue of them being subclasses, like how Warlocks, Clerics, or Artificers get additional spells not on their class spell list from their subclasses.
Formerly Devan Avalon.
Trying to get your physical content on Beyond is like going to Microsoft and saying "I have a physical Playstation disk, give me a digital Xbox version!"
Your example is flawed though in the sense that any spells on a bonus/expanded spell list are considered class spells for that class. A Warlock with the Shield spell treats it as a Warlock spell. A Cleric with Fireball on a bonus list treats it as a Cleric spell. For example, here's the description of Doman Spells for a Cleric (emphasis mine):
The same thing appears when you look at the expanded spell lists for Warlocks. For example, here's the description for the Fey patron (emphasis mine):
In each of these cases it explicitly states that they become class spells for that class. Now to the case of a Wizard, you're correct that it doesn't explicitly say they are Wizard spells. It says the following (emphasis mine):
Now, I can understand that you might read that and think 'it doesn't explicitly say that they are considered wizard spells for those classes' RAW, but the fact that the game says explicitly in every other case (including the ones above) that the spells that are not normally on a class's list become class spells seems to be evidence, at least to me, that this is the RAI. If it isn't than this seems like quite an oversight with respect to these two subclasses.
Treating it as if it is a Warlock, Cleric, or whatever spell is not the same as those spells being on the spell list.
A counterexample: The Ravnica backgrounds and the Dragonmark races *explicitly* add their expanded spells to the class spell list, instead of just giving you access and *treating* as a spell of that class. Why does this matter?
Mark of Healing Halfling lets you pick Healing Word as a Spell Mastery spell, because it is expressly and explicitly added to the class spell list, while the dunamancy spells still are not part of the base Wizard spell list and thus are not valid targets.
Formerly Devan Avalon.
Trying to get your physical content on Beyond is like going to Microsoft and saying "I have a physical Playstation disk, give me a digital Xbox version!"
Hmmm....perhaps I can see if I can get it houseruled by the DM then. I guess if I can't add it I'll have to look for an alternative. I guess I could take Web...or Misty Step.
if it makes you feel any better, I would totally houserule it on my end since you *are* a Chronurgist, but this is what the RAW is, unfortunately
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I mean...I think that I have a fairly good case, in this instance. <shrug>
If these spells are not wizard spells, why then can I learn them as my free wizard spells on level up? Or prepare them, by studying my spellbook, which holds my wizard spells? If they are wizard spells for these purposes, there is no reason for them not to be available for Spell Mastery.
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D&D Beyond FoundersThere is a difference between a spell being a Wizard spell and being on your Wizard's spell list.
The feature says, "Choose a 1st-level wizard spell" - so that is from all spells that are on the Wizard spell list.
If it said, "Choose any 1st level spell from your spell list" then yes, it should be possible to select the spell, along with any other spells that your character has been able to learn.
I know it seems like a picky detail, but we need to ensure that the rules are presented accurately, to the best of our ability, within the D&D Beyond toolset (there are always exceptions, where we're limited by how our system currently works or waiting for new code to support features).
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In other words, because RAW doesn't explicitly state that the Dunamancy spells from Wildemount are Wizard spells, my gripe isn't with DDB so much as the designers themselves. lol
Yes, but then how does preparing spells work? "You prepare the list of wizard spells that are available for you to cast. To do so, choose a number of wizard spells from your spellbook equal to" if these aren't wizard spells, then how do you prepare them? They're not always prepared. DDB has you prepare them as if they were a wizard spell. "Each time you gain a wizard level, you can add two wizard spells of your choice to your spellbook for free." When I level up my graviturgist, I can pick a graviturgy spell as one of my two spells that I learn for free.
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(bold text above is my emphasis) This is a really excellent point! If the spells are available to the Graviturgy/Chronurgy schools, but they aren't wizard spells, how would you get them into a spellbook in the first place?
By RAW, you wouldn't be able to get them from leveling up. Which would mean the only way to get them into a spellbook would be to find a scroll and scribe the spell. This doesn't seem to make sense given the description of Dunamancy from the EgtW. Moreover, it would immediately impact one of the most unique features of both of these subclasses. Thus, it seems reasonable to conclude that this isn't RAI.
If this isn't RAI, then it is logical to assume that these spells must be wizard spells in order for them to even be chosen during level up and placed within a spellbook. Therefore, by extension of this line of thought, they would be suitable candidates for Spell Mastery selections.