Something about "user tests within the community prior to release"? IDK. There are several feedback threads about it like this one.
Yeah I call bullshit on this having been properly tested with how inconsistently it's being implemented. If they did test it, they had a very small sample size and only looked at the M3 content, not at how races from other books are sorted.
DDB is a ******* mess right now.
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Leaving OGL 1.0(a) untouched and making SRD 5.1 CC-BY-4.0 is a great first step. The next is a promise to do the same for future editions. Here's a discussion thread on that.
Personally, I would settle for races being called “Elf - Sea Elf” or “Genasi - Fire Genasi” for character builder purposes as a temporary fix. The builder sorts everything alphabetically, so simply stying them “Category of Race - Race” would group like-kind races together.
There probably needs to be a toggle so one can exclude “legacy” content as well, since that’s really cluttering the builder’s race page, but that is probably a more difficult fix than “just use the alphabet to your advantage”, and I can see how that would be further down the road.
As I've said elsewhere, I massively agree that we need to change how the race select page of the character builder works - there are simply too many races now, with insufficient ways to group and filter them to make meaningful decisions.
The intent of Race Groups was always to allow us to ensure that subraces and variants were grouped together, under the parent race.
We're now in a situation where Sea Elf and Eladrin are full races (not subraces or variants) that stand on their own.
From conducting user tests within the community, prior to release, we determined that grouping these new races under the old race led to a LOT more confusion, especially with people thinking that the new race should gain the traits of the "parent" race.
What we need is a different way of being able to present, group and filter these races.
The shared traits objectively show they are not full races on thier own, they just repeat the full list of traits on each subrace. As for there being "a LOT more confusion", I find it really tough to believe that people were confused that Sea Elf would be found under Elf. And even if they were, don't hold the rest of us back: please add a toggle to put all the elves under Elf, for those of us that can walk & chew gum at the same time.
As I've said elsewhere, I massively agree that we need to change how the race select page of the character builder works - there are simply too many races now, with insufficient ways to group and filter them to make meaningful decisions.
The intent of Race Groups was always to allow us to ensure that subraces and variants were grouped together, under the parent race.
We're now in a situation where Sea Elf and Eladrin are full races (not subraces or variants) that stand on their own.
From conducting user tests within the community, prior to release, we determined that grouping these new races under the old race led to a LOT more confusion, especially with people thinking that the new race should gain the traits of the "parent" race.
What we need is a different way of being able to present, group and filter these races.
The shared traits objectively show they are not full races on thier own, they just repeat the full list of traits on each subrace. As for there being "a LOT more confusion", I find it really tough to believe that people were confused that Sea Elf would be found under Elf. And even if they were, don't hold the rest of us back: please add a toggle to put all the elves under Elf, for those of us that can walk & chew gum at the same time.
You don’t know what you don’t know; lots of new players might have been inclined toward playing a specific subrace, but not a generic “elf”, so they might not have opened the race to even see what options there were. The new system is clearly for new players and fixes a known issues with subraces—it just needs to be a bit more organised.
I bought the new Monsters of the Multiverse book and I owned all of the other books for Beyond. Now my race list for new characters has duplicates of nearly every race.
Is there any plan to fix this? It looks bad and when introducing new players it's going to be confusing seeing 2 of everything. Roll20 has something similar with their 5E charactermancer and it's terrible. I hope there's a fix for this soon, I invested money into the content on Beyond because of how organized and laid out everything is on the platform. It looks professional and high quality, something the duck tape and zip tie made charactermancer of roll20 heavily lacks lol.
As I've said elsewhere, I massively agree that we need to change how the race select page of the character builder works - there are simply too many races now, with insufficient ways to group and filter them to make meaningful decisions.
The intent of Race Groups was always to allow us to ensure that subraces and variants were grouped together, under the parent race.
We're now in a situation where Sea Elf and Eladrin are full races (not subraces or variants) that stand on their own.
From conducting user tests within the community, prior to release, we determined that grouping these new races under the old race led to a LOT more confusion, especially with people thinking that the new race should gain the traits of the "parent" race.
What we need is a different way of being able to present, group and filter these races.
The shared traits objectively show they are not full races on thier own, they just repeat the full list of traits on each subrace. As for there being "a LOT more confusion", I find it really tough to believe that people were confused that Sea Elf would be found under Elf. And even if they were, don't hold the rest of us back: please add a toggle to put all the elves under Elf, for those of us that can walk & chew gum at the same time.
You don’t know what you don’t know; lots of new players might have been inclined toward playing a specific subrace, but not a generic “elf”, so they might not have opened the race to even see what options there were. The new system is clearly for new players and fixes a known issues with subraces—it just needs to be a bit more organised.
I agree that it needs to be more organized, and I'm asking DDB to at least give the option of having that organization be having elves placed under the elf section. If it was actually that confusing for new players, DDB would have undone the headers years ago, rather than using them all over the character creator for subraces, proficiencies, subclasses, & most every other option. The other problem with that argument, is that it is currently both ways, so everyone loses. Some elves are out in the open, but some are in the elf group. So these allegedly confused new players can't find the old sub/variant races, and players who know how dropdowns work have to deal with a ridiculously long list of races to scroll past.
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Yeah I call bullshit on this having been properly tested with how inconsistently it's being implemented. If they did test it, they had a very small sample size and only looked at the M3 content, not at how races from other books are sorted.
DDB is a ******* mess right now.
Leaving OGL 1.0(a) untouched and making SRD 5.1 CC-BY-4.0 is a great first step. The next is a promise to do the same for future editions. Here's a discussion thread on that.
#OpenDnD
DDB is great, but it could be better. Here are some things I think could improve DDB
Personally, I would settle for races being called “Elf - Sea Elf” or “Genasi - Fire Genasi” for character builder purposes as a temporary fix. The builder sorts everything alphabetically, so simply stying them “Category of Race - Race” would group like-kind races together.
There probably needs to be a toggle so one can exclude “legacy” content as well, since that’s really cluttering the builder’s race page, but that is probably a more difficult fix than “just use the alphabet to your advantage”, and I can see how that would be further down the road.
The shared traits objectively show they are not full races on thier own, they just repeat the full list of traits on each subrace. As for there being "a LOT more confusion", I find it really tough to believe that people were confused that Sea Elf would be found under Elf. And even if they were, don't hold the rest of us back: please add a toggle to put all the elves under Elf, for those of us that can walk & chew gum at the same time.
You don’t know what you don’t know; lots of new players might have been inclined toward playing a specific subrace, but not a generic “elf”, so they might not have opened the race to even see what options there were. The new system is clearly for new players and fixes a known issues with subraces—it just needs to be a bit more organised.
Hi,
I bought the new Monsters of the Multiverse book and I owned all of the other books for Beyond. Now my race list for new characters has duplicates of nearly every race.
Is there any plan to fix this? It looks bad and when introducing new players it's going to be confusing seeing 2 of everything. Roll20 has something similar with their 5E charactermancer and it's terrible. I hope there's a fix for this soon, I invested money into the content on Beyond because of how organized and laid out everything is on the platform. It looks professional and high quality, something the duck tape and zip tie made charactermancer of roll20 heavily lacks lol.
I agree that it needs to be more organized, and I'm asking DDB to at least give the option of having that organization be having elves placed under the elf section. If it was actually that confusing for new players, DDB would have undone the headers years ago, rather than using them all over the character creator for subraces, proficiencies, subclasses, & most every other option. The other problem with that argument, is that it is currently both ways, so everyone loses. Some elves are out in the open, but some are in the elf group. So these allegedly confused new players can't find the old sub/variant races, and players who know how dropdowns work have to deal with a ridiculously long list of races to scroll past.