The bulk of my responses were, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The last comment box saw me include mention of ridding the company of the Microsoft infection, and shuffling off ALL supplemental and adventure content creation to third parties because they really do, aside from a very slim selection of titles, do it better.
I'm not going to stop playing D&D. I WILL stop playing it how I have been half the time, which is through a VTT tied directly to DDB's APIs. I will continue to play in face to face groups, and I am mulling over which VTT I will be going to, which is heavily favoring Fantasy Grounds, seeing how I have a permanent FGU license, and all the core books excluding Monsters of the Multiverse there. I WILL continue to support third party creators, but I will NOT be putting a penny more into the coffers of Hasbro or WotC. I will NOT be deleting my DDB account, as I have spent quite a lot of money unlocking content already. But I will not renew my sub.
I am already putting together a campaign using one of Palladium Books settings. Half my online group is from my Rifts campaign when we were in the Army, and they already have the books, and familiarity. One of the others is local, and we can sit down and roll his character. The last person can have the relevant PDF gifted from me. But there are a lot of other games out there, and I will have no problem finding something to fill a gap, if needed.
The bulk of my responses were, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The problem is, from the WotC perspective it is broken, because it doesn't allow them to secure their position rather than fairly competing and gaining the market share by providing quality products.
I replied to all of the 'explain why/write something/whatever' with:
If you, WotC, are ever going to regain ANY amount of trust from your now disappearing player-base, every executive pushing for the OGL changes must leave the company entirely. It's understandable that you have no power over Hasbro, but WotC must show the community that they are trying to return to form. That said, the OGL 1.0a should be given explicit, and truly irrevocable protection going forward, as well as any and all plans for any new or updated OGL must be completely scaped.
The bulk of my responses were, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The problem is, from the WotC perspective it is broken, because it doesn't allow them to secure their position rather than fairly competing and gaining the market share by providing quality products.
Their position was always secure, and nothing was stopping them from fairly competing, aside from their inability to put out content nearly as good as the third party creators. As far as I can tell, most of the content they have put out in the form of adventures, are rehashed content from 2nd Ed. AD&D through 4e. The best stuff I have personally run was from the three starter sets, and even that needed reworking in a lot of ways.
OGL 1.0a should be allowed to continue to be authorized for materials published for at least versions 5e or earlier. What Hasbro does with One D&D is up to them.
While it is not an absolutely certainty that a court would uphold the continuation of OGL 1.0a forward, I think the likelihood is high enough that it would not be a risk worth taking for Hasbro/WotC.
OGL 1.2 is bloated, full of possible loopholes and/or poison pills, and completely unnecessary. Please leave OGL 1.0a in place. It is the best thing for you and for the TTRGP community.
Hi! To make it just that bit harder for WotC to ignore responses to the OGL survey, or pretend that they were positive in nature, I propose that everybody who is comfortable doing so post their responses here!
For me, this was my response to every 'explain why/write something/whatever' option:
The best possible solution would be to fire all the leadership responsible for demanding an OGL update, and return to the original OGL license. We aren't idiots. The 'draft' sent out to be signed was not a draft, and was blatant in its overreach. This new version (OGL 1.2) is still not acceptable, as it has multiple clauses that are easily abusable (for example: there is no definition of what 'hateful' or 'obscene' counts as) and is clearly intended to grant WotC a dominant market share at the expense of consumers (this is especially blatant for the VTT section).
I will not buy any WotC or Hasbro products, subscribe to DnD Beyond, or support either company in any way until the original OGL is verified as permanent. Should any updated OGL be issued, I will boycott Hasbro and WotC on a permanent basis. The sole exception to this is if the updated OGL is identical to the original OGL but has had text added that makes it permanent.
I honestly think that answer in the survey does not help at all.
OGL 1.0a should be allowed to continue to be authorized for materials published for at least versions 5e or earlier. What Hasbro does with One D&D is up to them.
While it is not an absolutely certainty that a court would uphold the continuation of OGL 1.0a forward, I think the likelihood is high enough that it would not be a risk worth taking for Hasbro/WotC.
OGL 1.2 is bloated, full of possible loopholes and/or poison pills, and completely unnecessary. Please leave OGL 1.0a in place. It is the best thing for you and for the TTRGP community.
This instead is a more constructive response. And in fact I told them something very similar.
But in addition to that we must point out the abusive clauses.
OGL 1.0a should be allowed to continue to be authorized for materials published for at least versions 5e or earlier. What Hasbro does with One D&D is up to them.
While it is not an absolutely certainty that a court would uphold the continuation of OGL 1.0a forward, I think the likelihood is high enough that it would not be a risk worth taking for Hasbro/WotC.
OGL 1.2 is bloated, full of possible loopholes and/or poison pills, and completely unnecessary. Please leave OGL 1.0a in place. It is the best thing for you and for the TTRGP community.
This instead is a more constructive response. And in fact I told them something very similar.
But in addition to that we must point out the abusive clauses.
This implies they can revoke it. They cannot, OGL 1.0a is not revocable. We need to make sure Wizard's knows that everyone is very aware what they're trying to do is illegal and will be challenged in court, with massive public support against them. There is no need to point out what clauses are wrong really, as there's no other acceptable course of action but to not revoke, cause it ain't broke.
At this point, their best move is to join the ORC initiative in an attempt to regain 3rd party publisher material. Speaking of which, the Kobold Press humble bundle right now is *crazy*, get 800 bucks of 3rd party dndbooks for 25 bucks. You should check that out, as that also sends a message to wotc and the proceeds go towards funding the ORC license initiative.
My response came down to "Take OGL 1.0(a), add that racism and NFT clause you're so insistent on, add the word "irrevocable" to it without trying to redefine what it means like you did in draft 1.2, and change nothing else"
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Leaving OGL 1.0(a) untouched and making SRD 5.1 CC-BY-4.0 is a great first step. The next is a promise to do the same for future editions. Here's a discussion thread on that.
My response came down to "Take OGL 1.0(a), add that racism and NFT clause you're so insistent on, add the word "irrevocable" to it without trying to redefine what it means like you did in draft 1.2, and change nothing else"
Which will never happen since both the "discriminatory or hateful" and NFT statements are nothing more than a smokescreen and anyone who believes that to be a core motivation for WotC should message me, I got a few bridges to sell.
The bulk of my responses were, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The problem is, from the WotC perspective it is broken, because it doesn't allow them to secure their position rather than fairly competing and gaining the market share by providing quality products.
Truth!
This is all about finding a way to manage the business poorly and still make more money than everyone else by fixing the game sort of speak. I'm not surprised however, Wizards of the Coast hasn't produced anything worth spending money on for a couple of years now, so they need to do something. At this stage, the engine is running on promises of awesome things they will do in the future, but given the state of One D&D at this stage and their reputation for producing digital anything, unless they do something drastic and very quickly, official D&D is going to look like the 4e days in 2023. I mean seriously, what is even planned for 2023 to be excited about?
Planescape? A setting that didn't really work for D&D when it was originally released, why exactly would it work now? A reprint of Tyranny of Dragons, arguably the worst adventure book made for 5e... why? Glory of Giants... I mean... meh. Phandelver Campaign...? Another rehash of existing content, but at least its based on good content. The Book of Many things? Do we really need another Tasha's or Xanthers book of options, how about balancing the nonsense printed so far?
I don't know, maybe I'm being pessimistic but I'm not excited about any of this stuff at all. This leaves us leaning on 3rd party content which Wizards of the Coast has declared war on.
I just don't see what the plan is exactly... seems like D&D is just going to coast until something happens with One D&D and given how One D&D looks right now, I honestly think this might be the first version of D&D I don't bother even buying.
I would have said this but I guess you can't open the survey and accidentally close the tab and then reopen it as it says I have submitted feedback:
Hasbro execs,
You don’t know this game or community. You have miscalculated due to your ignorance and greed. Back off of this new OGL or the cash cow you have will be gone to you and the corporate stakeholders you are beholden to. Your leadership has rolled a 1 with a negative -3 modifier. To speak in terms you may understand, you messed this decision up completely. I have enough content to never have to buy WoTC or Hasbro’s content ever again, most coming from 3rd party content creators. You know the ones you are trying to put out of business. The same ones that made the game what it is today. I will not be moving to Dnd one(next) unless the new OGL is completely abandoned and the OGL 1.0a is reinstated with an added clause saying that it is fully irrevocable. To those at DnD beyond that work on content, maybe some of the other companies that have signed onto the ORC will be hiring in the future. I am sorry that your execs are completely incompetent.
I hear pathfinder 2.0 is good. I wouldn’t have had a reason to look elsewhere if it weren’t for this decision.
I bought almost every product on this site and I am scared that money has all gone to waste. I love 5e but I think once our campaign arc is done there's a large push to switch to other systems. Please give me a reason to continue using your system and this service. My sub has been cancelled and as it stands I'm not buying anymore books.
The bulk of my responses were, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
The last comment box saw me include mention of ridding the company of the Microsoft infection, and shuffling off ALL supplemental and adventure content creation to third parties because they really do, aside from a very slim selection of titles, do it better.
I'm not going to stop playing D&D. I WILL stop playing it how I have been half the time, which is through a VTT tied directly to DDB's APIs. I will continue to play in face to face groups, and I am mulling over which VTT I will be going to, which is heavily favoring Fantasy Grounds, seeing how I have a permanent FGU license, and all the core books excluding Monsters of the Multiverse there. I WILL continue to support third party creators, but I will NOT be putting a penny more into the coffers of Hasbro or WotC. I will NOT be deleting my DDB account, as I have spent quite a lot of money unlocking content already. But I will not renew my sub.
I am already putting together a campaign using one of Palladium Books settings. Half my online group is from my Rifts campaign when we were in the Army, and they already have the books, and familiarity. One of the others is local, and we can sit down and roll his character. The last person can have the relevant PDF gifted from me. But there are a lot of other games out there, and I will have no problem finding something to fill a gap, if needed.
The survey is a sham anyway
https://youtu.be/2DKTKI_Kr5k
As he says, in his comments:
There is nothing to discuss. 1.0a cannot be revoked.
The end.
The problem is, from the WotC perspective it is broken, because it doesn't allow them to secure their position rather than fairly competing and gaining the market share by providing quality products.
I replied to all of the 'explain why/write something/whatever' with:
If you, WotC, are ever going to regain ANY amount of trust from your now disappearing player-base, every executive pushing for the OGL changes must leave the company entirely. It's understandable that you have no power over Hasbro, but WotC must show the community that they are trying to return to form.
That said, the OGL 1.0a should be given explicit, and truly irrevocable protection going forward, as well as any and all plans for any new or updated OGL must be completely scaped.
Their position was always secure, and nothing was stopping them from fairly competing, aside from their inability to put out content nearly as good as the third party creators. As far as I can tell, most of the content they have put out in the form of adventures, are rehashed content from 2nd Ed. AD&D through 4e. The best stuff I have personally run was from the three starter sets, and even that needed reworking in a lot of ways.
Readers Digest version of my responses:
OGL 1.0a should be allowed to continue to be authorized for materials published for at least versions 5e or earlier. What Hasbro does with One D&D is up to them.
While it is not an absolutely certainty that a court would uphold the continuation of OGL 1.0a forward, I think the likelihood is high enough that it would not be a risk worth taking for Hasbro/WotC.
OGL 1.2 is bloated, full of possible loopholes and/or poison pills, and completely unnecessary. Please leave OGL 1.0a in place. It is the best thing for you and for the TTRGP community.
Wizards look thees good people in your team just we need toes people if your one of the new OLG team just quit
I honestly think that answer in the survey does not help at all.
You have to tell WoTC which clauses are wrong.
This instead is a more constructive response. And in fact I told them something very similar.
But in addition to that we must point out the abusive clauses.
This implies they can revoke it. They cannot, OGL 1.0a is not revocable. We need to make sure Wizard's knows that everyone is very aware what they're trying to do is illegal and will be challenged in court, with massive public support against them. There is no need to point out what clauses are wrong really, as there's no other acceptable course of action but to not revoke, cause it ain't broke.
At this point, their best move is to join the ORC initiative in an attempt to regain 3rd party publisher material. Speaking of which, the Kobold Press humble bundle right now is *crazy*, get 800 bucks of 3rd party dndbooks for 25 bucks. You should check that out, as that also sends a message to wotc and the proceeds go towards funding the ORC license initiative.
My response came down to "Take OGL 1.0(a), add that racism and NFT clause you're so insistent on, add the word "irrevocable" to it without trying to redefine what it means like you did in draft 1.2, and change nothing else"
Leaving OGL 1.0(a) untouched and making SRD 5.1 CC-BY-4.0 is a great first step. The next is a promise to do the same for future editions. Here's a discussion thread on that.
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Which will never happen since both the "discriminatory or hateful" and NFT statements are nothing more than a smokescreen and anyone who believes that to be a core motivation for WotC should message me, I got a few bridges to sell.
Truth!
This is all about finding a way to manage the business poorly and still make more money than everyone else by fixing the game sort of speak. I'm not surprised however, Wizards of the Coast hasn't produced anything worth spending money on for a couple of years now, so they need to do something. At this stage, the engine is running on promises of awesome things they will do in the future, but given the state of One D&D at this stage and their reputation for producing digital anything, unless they do something drastic and very quickly, official D&D is going to look like the 4e days in 2023. I mean seriously, what is even planned for 2023 to be excited about?
Planescape? A setting that didn't really work for D&D when it was originally released, why exactly would it work now? A reprint of Tyranny of Dragons, arguably the worst adventure book made for 5e... why? Glory of Giants... I mean... meh. Phandelver Campaign...? Another rehash of existing content, but at least its based on good content. The Book of Many things? Do we really need another Tasha's or Xanthers book of options, how about balancing the nonsense printed so far?
I don't know, maybe I'm being pessimistic but I'm not excited about any of this stuff at all. This leaves us leaning on 3rd party content which Wizards of the Coast has declared war on.
I just don't see what the plan is exactly... seems like D&D is just going to coast until something happens with One D&D and given how One D&D looks right now, I honestly think this might be the first version of D&D I don't bother even buying.
I am still working on my response, but it will follow something similar to Foundry VTT's well worded response.
I encourage everyone to at least read this:
https://foundryvtt.com/article/ogl12-response-feedback/
I would have said this but I guess you can't open the survey and accidentally close the tab and then reopen it as it says I have submitted feedback:
Hasbro execs,
You don’t know this game or community. You have miscalculated due to your ignorance and greed. Back off of this new OGL or the cash cow you have will be gone to you and the corporate stakeholders you are beholden to. Your leadership has rolled a 1 with a negative -3 modifier. To speak in terms you may understand, you messed this decision up completely. I have enough content to never have to buy WoTC or Hasbro’s content ever again, most coming from 3rd party content creators. You know the ones you are trying to put out of business. The same ones that made the game what it is today. I will not be moving to Dnd one(next) unless the new OGL is completely abandoned and the OGL 1.0a is reinstated with an added clause saying that it is fully irrevocable.
To those at DnD beyond that work on content, maybe some of the other companies that have signed onto the ORC will be hiring in the future. I am sorry that your execs are completely incompetent.
I hear pathfinder 2.0 is good. I wouldn’t have had a reason to look elsewhere if it weren’t for this decision.
Long time player (started 1984)
:)
I bought almost every product on this site and I am scared that money has all gone to waste. I love 5e but I think once our campaign arc is done there's a large push to switch to other systems. Please give me a reason to continue using your system and this service. My sub has been cancelled and as it stands I'm not buying anymore books.
I don't know what kind of lunatic would agree to the OGL1.2.
"What constitutes hateful content or conduct is solely at our discretion".
It would be entirely possible for your license to be revoked on the grounds of you playing as Germany in HOI4. It's just absurd.
Another well worded response here:
http://dmsworkshop.com/2023/01/21/response-to-the-ogl-1-2-survey/