I'm adding my voice to the choir, this is a ridiculous change. NOBODY besides Dungeon Masters want to purchase the content of an entire book. Players don't care/need to purchase monsters, treasures, compendium content. So why should people be forced to pay for something they don't want?
I won't be purchasing anything on DnDBeyond unless they revert this.
Not even most DM's. Most DM's do not need every setting. Frankly, this, to me, still seems like some sort of bad reaction to low sales of settings books.
Not even most DM's. Most DM's do not need every setting. Frankly, this, to me, still seems like some sort of bad reaction to low sales of settings books.
What do setting books contain that's worth buying piecemeal to start with? The first sign of this was the Book of Many Things, which was not a setting book.
Not even most DM's. Most DM's do not need every setting. Frankly, this, to me, still seems like some sort of bad reaction to low sales of settings books.
What do setting books contain that's worth buying piecemeal to start with? The first sign of this was the Book of Many Things, which was not a setting book.
Setting specific classes, races and subclasses. Eberron is a particularly good example.
What do setting books contain that's worth buying piecemeal to start with? The first sign of this was the Book of Many Things, which was not a setting book.
It's important to understand that most DMs probably already purched the hardcover book. The digital content is only useful for crated characters online, so rebuying book digitally is a huge waste of money when you only need one item.
I buy just about every D&D book so I can read it and learn about the lore and new options. From there I see items I would like to intruduce to my campaign and purchase them on DDB for my players and/or NPCs.
What do setting books contain that's worth buying piecemeal to start with? The first sign of this was the Book of Many Things, which was not a setting book.
It's important to understand that most DMs probably already purched the hardcover book. The digital content is only useful for crated characters online, so rebuying book digitally is a huge waste of money when you only need one item.
I buy just about every D&D book so I can read it and learn about the lore and new options. From there I see items I would like to intruduce to my campaign and purchase them on DDB for my players and/or NPCs.
As a DM I reference sourcebooks I have purchased and use online. But then I play mostly online, in great part due to geography.
It's important to understand that most DMs probably already purched the hardcover book.
That's an assertion that really needs more backing. Plenty of people don't, and in any case physical purchases not transferring to digital is not a new concept.
It's important to understand that most DMs probably already purched the hardcover book.
That's an assertion that really needs more backing. Plenty of people don't, and in any case physical purchases not transferring to digital is not a new concept.
You are correct, that was an assumtion of mine becasue it applies to everyone I know. But I don't know everyone so maybe I'm wrong. It doesn't make sense to me to buy something that you never actually own, so I assume most people, especially DMs, don't. But if most people, these days, only play online and they're fine with rebuying the materials every time they change platforms, then it's logical to assume they woudl never buy a hardcover book. For instance, when WotC decides that DDB isn't profitable and shuts it down, I'll still ahve my books.
That being said, if one only buys materials from DDB, then one should be ok with always buying a full book, as that's how it works for paper books. Furthermore, if that is the norm then it is a wise business decision for DDB to make such a fundamental change to their marketplace.
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
No... I think it's worth it to keep shouting. It might not do anything immediately, but a combination of people not buying products + explaining exactly why they aren't buying products will hopefully get through to them eventually. Hope springs eternal.
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Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
No... I think it's worth it to keep shouting. It might not do anything immediately, but a combination of people not buying products + explaining exactly why they aren't buying products will hopefully get through to them eventually. Hope springs eternal.
Agreed, but what will work even better is for everyone who cares about this to cancel their subscriptions. Money talks, as they say.
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
Opportunity for change comes with quarterly profit reports to investors... or something like that.
We keep the thread alive, new people are encountering this every day. It will snowball when everyone picks up the new PHB but then realises they want a different subclass. Until then, cancel your subscription and shop around for a different digital platform, and make that known here.
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DId you know? The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte". Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and Let them know your thoughts!
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
I'll add that the forum pushes threads with the most recent comments to the top, so I'm hopeful that the continued feedback on this thread will keep it at the top of everyone's attention!
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
I'll add that the forum pushes threads with the most recent comments to the top, so I'm hopeful that the continued feedback on this thread will keep it at the top of everyone's attention!
Agree. IT's important to keep this going. When do quarterly results come out? Would be interesting to see what effect this has, or not.
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
I'll add that the forum pushes threads with the most recent comments to the top, so I'm hopeful that the continued feedback on this thread will keep it at the top of everyone's attention!
it would be nice to keep it at the top where it's simple to find, but you run the risk of 'derailing' the topic with non-feedback discussion. might be easier to get a signature that says something like "unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters? provide feedback." and then just continue posting elsewhere. you'll know if anything changes.
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unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: providefeedback!
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
I'll add that the forum pushes threads with the most recent comments to the top, so I'm hopeful that the continued feedback on this thread will keep it at the top of everyone's attention!
it would be nice to keep it at the top where it's simple to find, but you run the risk of 'derailing' the topic with non-feedback discussion. might be easier to get a signature that says something like "unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters? provide feedback." and then just continue posting elsewhere. you'll know if anything changes.
Huh... the idea of getting a signature that links to this thread is a really good idea.
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Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Exactly. It's nice to have but not essential. It wouldn't take very much work to download a character sheet as a PDF and then alter it to have everything I wanted. I'd estimate about 5 minutes work,if that. Plus there are other character creation tools out there.
A la carte was how I did most of my purchasing on DnDBeyond in the past, and is the reason I eventually purchased some full books. It also made it possible for me to purchase an ancestry or class option for one of my players as a gift and send it to them without them needed to buy a whole book either just to use one feature. Not to mention the problem of already owning a physical copy and not wanting to pay full price again for digital content you mostly won't touch. For the prices of books in the Marketplace, especially when it comes to the new inclusion of third party content (which I do love) I find myself more likely to purchase elsewhere where I am guaranteed a PDF and physical copy for the same price. A la carte provided so many solutions and was a lovely option for me, it's just so disappointing now because I don't see myself or any of my friends making marketplace purchases without it.
Not even most DM's. Most DM's do not need every setting. Frankly, this, to me, still seems like some sort of bad reaction to low sales of settings books.
What do setting books contain that's worth buying piecemeal to start with? The first sign of this was the Book of Many Things, which was not a setting book.
Setting specific classes, races and subclasses. Eberron is a particularly good example.
It's important to understand that most DMs probably already purched the hardcover book. The digital content is only useful for crated characters online, so rebuying book digitally is a huge waste of money when you only need one item.
I buy just about every D&D book so I can read it and learn about the lore and new options. From there I see items I would like to intruduce to my campaign and purchase them on DDB for my players and/or NPCs.
As a DM I reference sourcebooks I have purchased and use online. But then I play mostly online, in great part due to geography.
That's an assertion that really needs more backing. Plenty of people don't, and in any case physical purchases not transferring to digital is not a new concept.
You are correct, that was an assumtion of mine becasue it applies to everyone I know. But I don't know everyone so maybe I'm wrong. It doesn't make sense to me to buy something that you never actually own, so I assume most people, especially DMs, don't. But if most people, these days, only play online and they're fine with rebuying the materials every time they change platforms, then it's logical to assume they woudl never buy a hardcover book. For instance, when WotC decides that DDB isn't profitable and shuts it down, I'll still ahve my books.
That being said, if one only buys materials from DDB, then one should be ok with always buying a full book, as that's how it works for paper books. Furthermore, if that is the norm then it is a wise business decision for DDB to make such a fundamental change to their marketplace.
at what point do we let this thread die? It's clear we're all shouting into the void....they are not going to revert this change, sadly.
No... I think it's worth it to keep shouting. It might not do anything immediately, but a combination of people not buying products + explaining exactly why they aren't buying products will hopefully get through to them eventually. Hope springs eternal.
Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Provide feedback!
Agreed, but what will work even better is for everyone who cares about this to cancel their subscriptions. Money talks, as they say.
Unless we can sustain this protest and keep voting with closed wallets, they will not take us seriously.
Opportunity for change comes with quarterly profit reports to investors... or something like that.
We keep the thread alive, new people are encountering this every day. It will snowball when everyone picks up the new PHB but then realises they want a different subclass.
Until then, cancel your subscription and shop around for a different digital platform, and make that known here.
DId you know?
The DDB marketplace has REMOVED the option for purchasing one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters "a la carte".
Now you ALWAYS have to buy the ENTIRE book instead.
Unhappy? UNSUBSCRIBE and
Let them know your thoughts!
I'll add that the forum pushes threads with the most recent comments to the top, so I'm hopeful that the continued feedback on this thread will keep it at the top of everyone's attention!
Agree. IT's important to keep this going. When do quarterly results come out? Would be interesting to see what effect this has, or not.
it would be nice to keep it at the top where it's simple to find, but you run the risk of 'derailing' the topic with non-feedback discussion. might be easier to get a signature that says something like "unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters? provide feedback." and then just continue posting elsewhere. you'll know if anything changes.
unhappy at the way in which we lost individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
tell them you don't like features disappeared quietly in the night: provide feedback!
Huh... the idea of getting a signature that links to this thread is a really good idea.
Unhappy that the market got rid of individual purchases for one-off subclasses, magic items, and monsters?
Provide feedback!
Let's keep this going!
Exactly. It's nice to have but not essential. It wouldn't take very much work to download a character sheet as a PDF and then alter it to have everything I wanted. I'd estimate about 5 minutes work,if that. Plus there are other character creation tools out there.
A la carte was how I did most of my purchasing on DnDBeyond in the past, and is the reason I eventually purchased some full books. It also made it possible for me to purchase an ancestry or class option for one of my players as a gift and send it to them without them needed to buy a whole book either just to use one feature. Not to mention the problem of already owning a physical copy and not wanting to pay full price again for digital content you mostly won't touch. For the prices of books in the Marketplace, especially when it comes to the new inclusion of third party content (which I do love) I find myself more likely to purchase elsewhere where I am guaranteed a PDF and physical copy for the same price. A la carte provided so many solutions and was a lovely option for me, it's just so disappointing now because I don't see myself or any of my friends making marketplace purchases without it.
Just reminding everyone I still want the a la carte back
Trying to DM | Lost my party due to removal of A la Carte options | Party no longer wants to use Beyond