Yes. I would recommend reading through the full changelog, but the main points that might impact you:
-The books will still be available and labeled Legacy -Old class versions will still be usable with all subclasses from the pre-2024 books -The only things that change on a real level are magic items and spells, you'll need to homebrew versions of the old ones if they're different and you want to use the old ones -Magic items are coming mostly with the DMG, not the PHB -The old text for the spells will still be viewable by viewing the PHB, but Beyond will only support the updated versions moving forward with the release
Longtime legendary bundle/master tier subscriber, and this needs to be opt-in, not opt-out, and certainly not no-choice. The reason most of us are here is that D&D Beyond has created a wonderful set of tools designed to put us (customers — DMs and players) first. The quality and convenience is worth the ongoing subscription.
While I can understand the technical and business decisions in play here, prioritizing those stakeholders more than the needs of the customer will make many of us rethink the above equation. I am looking forward to (and have pre-ordered) the new books, and plan on adopting them in my new campaigns. Whether or not I cancel here will depend on the pain points encountered in my multiple campaigns I expect to continue on 2014 rules for many more months. I fully expect those pain points to dwindle over time, but the impression that D&D Beyond considers my needs as a player/DM a tertiary concern will linger.
It is likely too late to roll this back, but *please* consider some means of supporting your longtime customers again. I will not pretend to know your data model enough to suggest you create a “Homebrew” section with 2014 content (since we cannot submit unaltered derived homebrew), or keeping 2014/2024 segregated like Humblewood content with appropriate defaults, but surely anything would be more customer serving than telling your longtime customers to do everything manually, individually and by themselves.
That’s the opposite of why we became your customers in the first place.
Sorry, but that's incorrect (at least as far as the character builder/sheet is concerned). You will not only lose access to the old spells and items, but also the following aspects of the character sheet will be 2024 only.
I've not fully read the new rules to know how much has changed, but one example they give is that the sheets will track & display information based on the new exhaustion rules, which are significantly different to the 2014 versions. It appears that if you want to track things using the old rules it will have to be done manually.
You want to reference the rules for Exhaustion, which were overhauled in the 2024 Player’s Handbook. When you navigate to conditions on your character sheet and click the entry for Exhaustion, you'll see the new rules for the condition, not the 2014 version of them. In a similar vein, any tooltips referencing Exhaustion will show the 2024 rules of the condition. If you want to see the 2014 rules for Exhaustion, you will need to navigate to its entry in the Basic Rules or in the 2014 Player’s Handbook in the compendium.
Sorry, but that's incorrect (at least as far as the character builder/sheet is concerned). You will not only lose access to the old spells and items, but also the following aspects of the character sheet will be 2024 only.
I've not fully read the new rules to know how much has changed, but one example they give is that the sheets will track & display information based on the new exhaustion rules, which are significantly different to the 2014 versions. It appears that if you want to track things using the old rules it will have to be done manually.
You want to reference the rules for Exhaustion, which were overhauled in the 2024 Player’s Handbook. When you navigate to conditions on your character sheet and click the entry for Exhaustion, you'll see the new rules for the condition, not the 2014 version of them. In a similar vein, any tooltips referencing Exhaustion will show the 2024 rules of the condition. If you want to see the 2014 rules for Exhaustion, you will need to navigate to its entry in the Basic Rules or in the 2014 Player’s Handbook in the compendium.
All but Exhaustion on that list are changes to referenced rules, not the sheet itself. Also remember my list wasn't exhaustive, it was major points of change for the builder.
Yes, but the character sheet should be referencing the rules being used. "Hide" for example has been rewritten for 2024, but if I have a 2014 character there will be no way to reference the 2014 hide rule on the sheet. If I have to go and manually look it up in the compendium or physical book then what's the point of using the character sheet? I also mentioned (as you had) that 2014 spells and items will also be removed.
To be clear the 2014 rules for most things will no longer be available on the character sheet. They will still be available in the compendium, but not the sheet itself. This is despite DND/WotC's messaging that 2024 is not a new edition or replacement for the 2014 rules, and that the 2014 rules are still valid.
Considering the rules will still be viewable in the digital book, which still keeps them in one place, that's the least of the issues.
The big issue is the auto-updating spells. Sure, you can make homebrew versions. But that doesn't help when subclasses will only call the new versions.
Considering the rules will still be viewable in the digital book, which still keeps them in one place, that's the least of the issues.
The big issue is the auto-updating spells. Sure, you can make homebrew versions. But that doesn't help when subclasses will only call the new versions.
It's looking worse than that, at the moment I don't see any way to use the 2014 rules fully going forward. To copy from my post in another thread:-
It's not just the spells themselves though, anything that references or grants a spell will be switched to the new rules. To continue using the 2014 rules going forward
every subclass that grants spells needs to be homebrewed
every item that grants spells needs to be homebrewed
every warlock invocation that grants spells - these *cannot* be homebrewed and will not be usable with 2014 rules
every class that grants extra spells (mainly through the Tashas expanded spell lists) - as far as I know these also *cannot* be homebrewed so will be unusable.
every monster that casts spells will need to be homebrewed
I'm sure there'll be more as we think things through over the weekend, but this is much more than just copying the spells, to the point that I don't see any way to use the 2014 rules on DnDBeyond going forward.
At the very least, feats could be homebrewed to replicate the effects of the invocations and extra spells. For anyone looking for a way, that's the easiest way I can think of off the top of my head.
Agreed. It's not a solution I like, but if it's between that and nothing, I'd rather at least mention it to remind people caught in WotC/Hasbro's awful planning that it's an option.
if I have to go through the effort of homebrewing all the content I already had then I'm just gonna homebrew it on a different site or program. I'm not paying for an inconvenience.
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If I buy the new PHB and DMG will I still have access to the 2014 versions if I choose to use them in a campaign?
Yes. I would recommend reading through the full changelog, but the main points that might impact you:
-The books will still be available and labeled Legacy
-Old class versions will still be usable with all subclasses from the pre-2024 books
-The only things that change on a real level are magic items and spells, you'll need to homebrew versions of the old ones if they're different and you want to use the old ones
-Magic items are coming mostly with the DMG, not the PHB
-The old text for the spells will still be viewable by viewing the PHB, but Beyond will only support the updated versions moving forward with the release
Full changelog (official announcement on this site) is here: https://www.dndbeyond.com/changelog#UpdatingtheDDBeyondToolsetforthe2024CoreRulebooks
It they don't roll this back I will be cancelling my subscription. There are hundreds of spells, this is absolutely ridiculous.
Longtime legendary bundle/master tier subscriber, and this needs to be opt-in, not opt-out, and certainly not no-choice. The reason most of us are here is that D&D Beyond has created a wonderful set of tools designed to put us (customers — DMs and players) first. The quality and convenience is worth the ongoing subscription.
While I can understand the technical and business decisions in play here, prioritizing those stakeholders more than the needs of the customer will make many of us rethink the above equation. I am looking forward to (and have pre-ordered) the new books, and plan on adopting them in my new campaigns. Whether or not I cancel here will depend on the pain points encountered in my multiple campaigns I expect to continue on 2014 rules for many more months. I fully expect those pain points to dwindle over time, but the impression that D&D Beyond considers my needs as a player/DM a tertiary concern will linger.
It is likely too late to roll this back, but *please* consider some means of supporting your longtime customers again. I will not pretend to know your data model enough to suggest you create a “Homebrew” section with 2014 content (since we cannot submit unaltered derived homebrew), or keeping 2014/2024 segregated like Humblewood content with appropriate defaults, but surely anything would be more customer serving than telling your longtime customers to do everything manually, individually and by themselves.
That’s the opposite of why we became your customers in the first place.
Sorry, but that's incorrect (at least as far as the character builder/sheet is concerned). You will not only lose access to the old spells and items, but also the following aspects of the character sheet will be 2024 only.
I've not fully read the new rules to know how much has changed, but one example they give is that the sheets will track & display information based on the new exhaustion rules, which are significantly different to the 2014 versions. It appears that if you want to track things using the old rules it will have to be done manually.
All but Exhaustion on that list are changes to referenced rules, not the sheet itself. Also remember my list wasn't exhaustive, it was major points of change for the builder.
Yes, but the character sheet should be referencing the rules being used. "Hide" for example has been rewritten for 2024, but if I have a 2014 character there will be no way to reference the 2014 hide rule on the sheet. If I have to go and manually look it up in the compendium or physical book then what's the point of using the character sheet? I also mentioned (as you had) that 2014 spells and items will also be removed.
To be clear the 2014 rules for most things will no longer be available on the character sheet. They will still be available in the compendium, but not the sheet itself. This is despite DND/WotC's messaging that 2024 is not a new edition or replacement for the 2014 rules, and that the 2014 rules are still valid.
Considering the rules will still be viewable in the digital book, which still keeps them in one place, that's the least of the issues.
The big issue is the auto-updating spells. Sure, you can make homebrew versions. But that doesn't help when subclasses will only call the new versions.
It's looking worse than that, at the moment I don't see any way to use the 2014 rules fully going forward. To copy from my post in another thread:-
At the very least, feats could be homebrewed to replicate the effects of the invocations and extra spells. For anyone looking for a way, that's the easiest way I can think of off the top of my head.
Theoretically maybe, but how many users are going to know that's an option *and* know how to use the homebrew tools.
Agreed. It's not a solution I like, but if it's between that and nothing, I'd rather at least mention it to remind people caught in WotC/Hasbro's awful planning that it's an option.
if I have to go through the effort of homebrewing all the content I already had then I'm just gonna homebrew it on a different site or program. I'm not paying for an inconvenience.