> Aside from a few exceptions, all entries for mundane and magical items, weapons, armor, and spells will also be updated to their 2024 version.
And further down:
> WHAT IF I WANT TO USE THE 2014 VERSION OF A SPELL OR MAGIC ITEM?
> If you wish to use the old version of a magic item or spell that has been replaced by its 2024 counterpart, you will need to create a homebrew copy of it and enable homebrew content on your character sheet. Then, you can add it to your character sheet.
This is blatantly removing content that I and so many others purchased, and it is completely unacceptable. I sincerely hope these changes won't go through, as they are just plain hostile to D&DBeyond's customers. These changes also remove every reason I have to keep up my subscription.
Why not leave it in and make flag it Legacy? Just add some filters to the spell list were you can select to show them or not, same for the search function.
I am two years into my campaign and really didn't want to switch to 2024 stuff. This just feels a little unfair and forcing us to make a change, if we want to use the digital resources at hand.
As someone who has been buying books and paying for the master tier for years I also find this concerning.
why are these spells not being marked legacy? Why are we, as customers, expected to make homebrew copies?
I personally have planned to keep using the 2014 books for my current on-going campaign, at the very least until all three 2024 books were released. The digital tools have been tightly integrated with how we play, but this kind of disregard for customers is making me consider leaving and possibly just switching systems.
If this update goes through and they break content to try to force me to change editions, I'm done paying WotC for anything.
Adding a toggle for the character builder would not cost that much corporate profit, there are tons of programmers (and other IT professionals) looking for work.
I wasn’t terribly motivated to “upgrade,” but I was willing to check things out. But if I don’t purchase the new content, am I now cut off from items in older books that are now in books I haven’t paid for. That’s outright theft. You can’t convince any sane person that it’s not.
If I go into the DnD Beyond app and tap spells it will probably now show the new versions and make me go specifically into the Players Handbook 2014 source to view anything I bet.
This invalidating any reason I purchased and subscribe to anything.
I paid and am still paying for access to the 2014 spells and now you want me to homebrew the complete spell catalog myself?
Are you joking? Will you pay me back for the hours I would need to spend on your flawed creation tools?
I get there might be some problems with the integration of the spells as legacy, but at least do your work you're getting paid for, dndbeyond, and put them in the homebrew section yourself
Also, it asks the question about *when* this will happen. Will it be on September 3rd when Master Tier have the possibility to the PHB? On September 10 when the Hero Tier has access to the PHB? Or on September 17 when the PHB is generally available? If it's the latter, as a Master Tier subscriber, I find this disappointing that I can't get my new spells.
In any case, my "Legacy" characters have their "Legacy" spells, and I don't see why *I* should do the work I paid you for to simply keep my spells as is. It's the simplest possible: don't change anything legacy.
- But we have some constraints.
Well, change them. It's totally unacceptable that my Counterspell is changed to a radically different spell without me or my DM agreeing.
Replacing content that many users have paid for is not acceptable. Other books/content that have be re-released have legacy versions. Can we have that, at the very least?
Expecting users to fill in the work to homebrew all of the legacy material is unfair to us, who have paid for access to those materials.
I plan to continue using the 2014 rules and materials for many areas of the game, and it is disappointing that DDB will no longer be an easy way to access those on character sheets.
Purchasing a digital copy of this book unlocks it for use in the D&D Beyond compendium and toolset. D&D Beyond is the official digital toolset for Dungeons & Dragons. Create characters in minutes, play directly on your character sheets with digital dice, and prep less and play more with Dungeon Master tools like the encounter builder, combat tracker, and VTT.Jump Into Play with D&D BeyondIntegration.
So is this going to result in a class action lawsuit or will they offer refunds for content that was removed and made inaccessible?
I own all the source books up to and including Spelljammer. Yesterday, I went to look up a thing concerning the Paladin and could only find the 2024 rules. I'm so glad I don't subscribe to this mess anymore. DnDBeyond was a great way to find information quickly, but now, a simple Google search does the exact same thing.
I've un-subbed my master tier subscription. This is ridiculous. The legacy tag was already a pretty crappy solution because then you had all these extra versions of content clogging up search. They should have just made a second website for 2024 5e or created the toggle. If we can't have full accessibility for the 2014 rules, there goes the ease-of-use argument that justified spending money on this site.
For those who just say switch over to the new rules, that's the point. We should have the option... and spells are character options and they already said they would be accessible so this is going back on what they've posted before.
This is a serious frustration for people with existing campaigns who don't want to upgrade in-place. WotC is spending so many resources getting videos taken down for showing the new rules, thinking of more ways to aggressively monetize... yet they can't give the Beyond devs time to implement backwards compatibility. People love this game! Why can't they stop spending good will instead of earning it? (Obviously, money, but...)
According to the changelog:
> Aside from a few exceptions, all entries for mundane and magical items, weapons, armor, and spells will also be updated to their 2024 version.
And further down:
> WHAT IF I WANT TO USE THE 2014 VERSION OF A SPELL OR MAGIC ITEM?
> If you wish to use the old version of a magic item or spell that has been replaced by its 2024 counterpart, you will need to create a homebrew copy of it and enable homebrew content on your character sheet. Then, you can add it to your character sheet.
This is blatantly removing content that I and so many others purchased, and it is completely unacceptable. I sincerely hope these changes won't go through, as they are just plain hostile to D&DBeyond's customers. These changes also remove every reason I have to keep up my subscription.
Why not leave it in and make flag it Legacy? Just add some filters to the spell list were you can select to show them or not, same for the search function.
All they needed to do was add legacy tags and let you toggle "Use Legacy sources" on your character settings
This is unacceptable.
I am two years into my campaign and really didn't want to switch to 2024 stuff. This just feels a little unfair and forcing us to make a change, if we want to use the digital resources at hand.
As someone who has been buying books and paying for the master tier for years I also find this concerning.
why are these spells not being marked legacy? Why are we, as customers, expected to make homebrew copies?
I personally have planned to keep using the 2014 books for my current on-going campaign, at the very least until all three 2024 books were released. The digital tools have been tightly integrated with how we play, but this kind of disregard for customers is making me consider leaving and possibly just switching systems.
If this update goes through and they break content to try to force me to change editions, I'm done paying WotC for anything.
Adding a toggle for the character builder would not cost that much corporate profit, there are tons of programmers (and other IT professionals) looking for work.
I wasn’t terribly motivated to “upgrade,” but I was willing to check things out. But if I don’t purchase the new content, am I now cut off from items in older books that are now in books I haven’t paid for. That’s outright theft. You can’t convince any sane person that it’s not.
If I go into the DnD Beyond app and tap spells it will probably now show the new versions and make me go specifically into the Players Handbook 2014 source to view anything I bet.
This invalidating any reason I purchased and subscribe to anything.
I paid and am still paying for access to the 2014 spells and now you want me to homebrew the complete spell catalog myself?
Are you joking? Will you pay me back for the hours I would need to spend on your flawed creation tools?
I get there might be some problems with the integration of the spells as legacy, but at least do your work you're getting paid for, dndbeyond, and put them in the homebrew section yourself
3rd party apps, here I come.
Also, it asks the question about *when* this will happen. Will it be on September 3rd when Master Tier have the possibility to the PHB? On September 10 when the Hero Tier has access to the PHB? Or on September 17 when the PHB is generally available? If it's the latter, as a Master Tier subscriber, I find this disappointing that I can't get my new spells.
In any case, my "Legacy" characters have their "Legacy" spells, and I don't see why *I* should do the work I paid you for to simply keep my spells as is. It's the simplest possible: don't change anything legacy.
- But we have some constraints.
Well, change them. It's totally unacceptable that my Counterspell is changed to a radically different spell without me or my DM agreeing.
Replacing content that many users have paid for is not acceptable. Other books/content that have be re-released have legacy versions. Can we have that, at the very least?
Expecting users to fill in the work to homebrew all of the legacy material is unfair to us, who have paid for access to those materials.
I plan to continue using the 2014 rules and materials for many areas of the game, and it is disappointing that DDB will no longer be an easy way to access those on character sheets.
Perfect time to cancel subscription
Definitely unacceptable. There is no reason why. Spells and items cannot be marked as Legacy content.
Purchasing a digital copy of this book unlocks it for use in the D&D Beyond compendium and toolset. D&D Beyond is the official digital toolset for Dungeons & Dragons. Create characters in minutes, play directly on your character sheets with digital dice, and prep less and play more with Dungeon Master tools like the encounter builder, combat tracker, and VTT.Jump Into Play with D&D BeyondIntegration.
So is this going to result in a class action lawsuit or will they offer refunds for content that was removed and made inaccessible?
How is this going to work if you do not buy the 2024 books, will your character sheet just have no options?
I own all the source books up to and including Spelljammer. Yesterday, I went to look up a thing concerning the Paladin and could only find the 2024 rules. I'm so glad I don't subscribe to this mess anymore. DnDBeyond was a great way to find information quickly, but now, a simple Google search does the exact same thing.
I've un-subbed my master tier subscription. This is ridiculous. The legacy tag was already a pretty crappy solution because then you had all these extra versions of content clogging up search. They should have just made a second website for 2024 5e or created the toggle. If we can't have full accessibility for the 2014 rules, there goes the ease-of-use argument that justified spending money on this site.
For those who just say switch over to the new rules, that's the point. We should have the option... and spells are character options and they already said they would be accessible so this is going back on what they've posted before.
This is a serious frustration for people with existing campaigns who don't want to upgrade in-place. WotC is spending so many resources getting videos taken down for showing the new rules, thinking of more ways to aggressively monetize... yet they can't give the Beyond devs time to implement backwards compatibility. People love this game! Why can't they stop spending good will instead of earning it? (Obviously, money, but...)
Using D&D Beyond is like paying to build on quicksand now.
Because Robots.
Will we be able to get a refund for the content we paid for but are no longer able to use?