Yeah, screw all that. Min maxing or mid maxing is just dumb.
Subjective. I enjoy min-maxing in the sense that I don't build bad characters. All my characters are effective in what they aim to do, be that combat, healing, support, controlling, etc. I am not saying that is the only way to play DnD, but that's how I enjoy playing. With this statement alone you have alienated a large portion of the TTRPG community. Great job.
Players that do that just want to succeed in every roll.
No....we don't. This is a massive generalization, and a bad one to boot. PERSONALLY, I prefer to make characters that are really good at what they do, but are not great at other things. If any player has created a character that can succeed at any roll, he is a genius and should go into cancer biology.
Problem is that when a player always rolls high is that they miss out on all the fun. Rolling low is way more fun than rolling high. Shenanigans happen with low rolls. Rolling a nat 1 can be painful but it's also the most fun to be had. Why don't some people realize that rolling high works but rolling low leads to fun?
Having high stats sucks. A player with a +4 modifier in athletics jumps off a ledge into water. Rolls good. Nice splash. A player with a 0 mod rolls low and that's where fun begins.
This....is so insanely subjective that I don't even want to comment. But I will. You can NEVER always ROLL high. That part is luck. You CAN have a high modifier. In a FEW skills. Again, show me a VIABLE character with good bonuses in every skill and I will eat my hat. You enjoying failing at everything (Your words not mine) is YOUR choice, but I prefer my characters being good at at least something. Also, a nat 1 fails REGARDLESS of your bonus, so there is nothing a min-maxed character can do about this.
Great, fantastic, you min max or mid max and got a be good roll and took the fun out of what could be a great roll play moment where shenanigans can happen.
Who the hell do you think you are telling me my fun is wrong? I have had AMAZING roleplay moments where I have rolled INSANELY WELL. For example: My paladin (Who was not especially minmaxed) challenged a dragon to a duel to free his captured party. The dragon sent out a champion, a kobold with strength reducing magic. I was not meant to beat him. I rolled a nat 20 on my singular attack (We were level three). I was loaned a dragon slaying sword from a party member and I was being buffed by the wizard and the cleric (from their cages) and a divine smite on top of that. I ended up dealing over seventy damage with some great damage rolls, and literally vaporized the kobold in one strike.
You go ahead and fail every roll if you have fun with it, but "when will some of these guys realize" that shaming other people's fun is not okay.
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Yeah, screw all that. Min maxing or mid maxing is just dumb.
Subjective. I enjoy min-maxing in the sense that I don't build bad characters. All my characters are effective in what they aim to do, be that combat, healing, support, controlling, etc. I am not saying that is the only way to play DnD, but that's how I enjoy playing. With this statement alone you have alienated a large portion of the TTRPG community. Great job.
Players that do that just want to succeed in every roll.
No....we don't. This is a massive generalization, and a bad one to boot. PERSONALLY, I prefer to make characters that are really good at what they do, but are not great at other things. If any player has created a character that can succeed at any roll, he is a genius and should go into cancer biology.
Problem is that when a player always rolls high is that they miss out on all the fun. Rolling low is way more fun than rolling high. Shenanigans happen with low rolls. Rolling a nat 1 can be painful but it's also the most fun to be had. Why don't some people realize that rolling high works but rolling low leads to fun?
Having high stats sucks. A player with a +4 modifier in athletics jumps off a ledge into water. Rolls good. Nice splash. A player with a 0 mod rolls low and that's where fun begins.
This....is so insanely subjective that I don't even want to comment. But I will. You can NEVER always ROLL high. That part is luck. You CAN have a high modifier. In a FEW skills. Again, show me a VIABLE character with good bonuses in every skill and I will eat my hat. You enjoying failing at everything (Your words not mine) is YOUR choice, but I prefer my characters being good at at least something. Also, a nat 1 fails REGARDLESS of your bonus, so there is nothing a min-maxed character can do about this.
Great, fantastic, you min max or mid max and got a be good roll and took the fun out of what could be a great roll play moment where shenanigans can happen.
Who the hell do you think you are telling me my fun is wrong? I have had AMAZING roleplay moments where I have rolled INSANELY WELL. For example: My paladin (Who was not especially minmaxed) challenged a dragon to a duel to free his captured party. The dragon sent out a champion, a kobold with strength reducing magic. I was not meant to beat him. I rolled a nat 20 on my singular attack (We were level three). I was loaned a dragon slaying sword from a party member and I was being buffed by the wizard and the cleric (from their cages) and a divine smite on top of that. I ended up dealing over seventy damage with some great damage rolls, and literally vaporized the kobold in one strike.
You go ahead and fail every roll if you have fun with it, but "when will some of these guys realize" that shaming other people's fun is not okay.
Cannot upvote this enough. Not minmaxing is fine, minmaxing is fine. Play how you have fun and don’t tell me that I am doing it wrong unless I am hurting someone with the way I do it!
anyway, I don’t really minmaxing myself, I like single classing too much for it, but there is nothing wrong at all with getting a powerful character, and it can even be really cool.
have fun playing!
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I agree with nearly everything you said but do want to make one small correction:
" Also, a nat 1 fails REGARDLESS of your bonus, so there is nothing a min-maxed character can do about this."
Only for attacks and death saves. The nat 1/nat 20 doesn't autofail or autosucceed on any other roll.
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Yeah, screw all that. Min maxing or mid maxing is just dumb.
Subjective. I enjoy min-maxing in the sense that I don't build bad characters. All my characters are effective in what they aim to do, be that combat, healing, support, controlling, etc. I am not saying that is the only way to play DnD, but that's how I enjoy playing. With this statement alone you have alienated a large portion of the TTRPG community. Great job.
Players that do that just want to succeed in every roll.
No....we don't. This is a massive generalization, and a bad one to boot. PERSONALLY, I prefer to make characters that are really good at what they do, but are not great at other things. If any player has created a character that can succeed at any roll, he is a genius and should go into cancer biology.
Problem is that when a player always rolls high is that they miss out on all the fun. Rolling low is way more fun than rolling high. Shenanigans happen with low rolls. Rolling a nat 1 can be painful but it's also the most fun to be had. Why don't some people realize that rolling high works but rolling low leads to fun?
Having high stats sucks. A player with a +4 modifier in athletics jumps off a ledge into water. Rolls good. Nice splash. A player with a 0 mod rolls low and that's where fun begins.
This....is so insanely subjective that I don't even want to comment. But I will. You can NEVER always ROLL high. That part is luck. You CAN have a high modifier. In a FEW skills. Again, show me a VIABLE character with good bonuses in every skill and I will eat my hat. You enjoying failing at everything (Your words not mine) is YOUR choice, but I prefer my characters being good at at least something. Also, a nat 1 fails REGARDLESS of your bonus, so there is nothing a min-maxed character can do about this.
Great, fantastic, you min max or mid max and got a be good roll and took the fun out of what could be a great roll play moment where shenanigans can happen.
Who the hell do you think you are telling me my fun is wrong? I have had AMAZING roleplay moments where I have rolled INSANELY WELL. For example: My paladin (Who was not especially minmaxed) challenged a dragon to a duel to free his captured party. The dragon sent out a champion, a kobold with strength reducing magic. I was not meant to beat him. I rolled a nat 20 on my singular attack (We were level three). I was loaned a dragon slaying sword from a party member and I was being buffed by the wizard and the cleric (from their cages) and a divine smite on top of that. I ended up dealing over seventy damage with some great damage rolls, and literally vaporized the kobold in one strike.
You go ahead and fail every roll if you have fun with it, but "when will some of these guys realize" that shaming other people's fun is not okay.
Pretty much nailed it.
I would like to add that “Min maxing” in 5e isn’t even really a thing. Not like it was in the past where in 3e or whatever you really did need to know all these obscure little interactions and build you character just right to make a strategy work.
5e is nothing like that. So long as you put your highest ability score into your primary ability, then your second highest into Constitution, and are not making blatantly questionable choices with you skills, there you go.... Min maxed.
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Subjective. I enjoy min-maxing in the sense that I don't build bad characters. All my characters are effective in what they aim to do, be that combat, healing, support, controlling, etc. I am not saying that is the only way to play DnD, but that's how I enjoy playing. With this statement alone you have alienated a large portion of the TTRPG community. Great job.
No....we don't. This is a massive generalization, and a bad one to boot. PERSONALLY, I prefer to make characters that are really good at what they do, but are not great at other things. If any player has created a character that can succeed at any roll, he is a genius and should go into cancer biology.
This....is so insanely subjective that I don't even want to comment. But I will.
You can NEVER always ROLL high. That part is luck. You CAN have a high modifier. In a FEW skills. Again, show me a VIABLE character with good bonuses in every skill and I will eat my hat. You enjoying failing at everything (Your words not mine) is YOUR choice, but I prefer my characters being good at at least something. Also, a nat 1 fails REGARDLESS of your bonus, so there is nothing a min-maxed character can do about this.
Who the hell do you think you are telling me my fun is wrong? I have had AMAZING roleplay moments where I have rolled INSANELY WELL. For example: My paladin (Who was not especially minmaxed) challenged a dragon to a duel to free his captured party. The dragon sent out a champion, a kobold with strength reducing magic. I was not meant to beat him. I rolled a nat 20 on my singular attack (We were level three). I was loaned a dragon slaying sword from a party member and I was being buffed by the wizard and the cleric (from their cages) and a divine smite on top of that. I ended up dealing over seventy damage with some great damage rolls, and literally vaporized the kobold in one strike.
You go ahead and fail every roll if you have fun with it, but "when will some of these guys realize" that shaming other people's fun is not okay.
“I will take responsibility for what I have done. [...] If must fall, I will rise each time a better man.” ― Brandon Sanderson, Oathbringer.
Cannot upvote this enough. Not minmaxing is fine, minmaxing is fine. Play how you have fun and don’t tell me that I am doing it wrong unless I am hurting someone with the way I do it!
anyway, I don’t really minmaxing myself, I like single classing too much for it, but there is nothing wrong at all with getting a powerful character, and it can even be really cool.
have fun playing!
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GoodBovine,
I agree with nearly everything you said but do want to make one small correction:
" Also, a nat 1 fails REGARDLESS of your bonus, so there is nothing a min-maxed character can do about this."
Only for attacks and death saves. The nat 1/nat 20 doesn't autofail or autosucceed on any other roll.
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Yeah, I was about to go back and correct that, but the Nat 1 fail on every roll is such a common house rule that I just left it 😂
“I will take responsibility for what I have done. [...] If must fall, I will rise each time a better man.” ― Brandon Sanderson, Oathbringer.
Pretty much nailed it.
I would like to add that “Min maxing” in 5e isn’t even really a thing. Not like it was in the past where in 3e or whatever you really did need to know all these obscure little interactions and build you character just right to make a strategy work.
5e is nothing like that. So long as you put your highest ability score into your primary ability, then your second highest into Constitution, and are not making blatantly questionable choices with you skills, there you go.... Min maxed.