I know nothing at all about Bahamut, however I think Bahamut is the God-rendition of Baphomet the Beast Lord, so I realize who I'm pulling for.
We know the danger of Tiamat and we realize we can obliterate her symbols, however it takes some work.
We don't have a clue about the dangers that might be presented by Bahamut, we couldn't say whether we can annihilate their symbols, and with everything taken into account I'd prefer the known foe than the obscure enemy. Above, you chose "great arrangement = great", however great is a lot of relative, and surprisingly the metallic mythical serpents can be effectively merciless and remorseless.
The problem with that logic is that you've made a lot of assumptions about Bahamut that are incorrect.
It is well-known that Bahamut is a "don't start none if you don't want none" dragon god thing. Leave him alone and he leaves you alone. Tiamat is not the same.
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I know nothing at all about Bahamut, however I think Bahamut is the God-rendition of Baphomet the Beast Lord, so I realize who I'm pulling for.
We know the danger of Tiamat and we realize we can obliterate her symbols, however it takes some work.
We don't have a clue about the dangers that might be presented by Bahamut, we couldn't say whether we can annihilate their symbols, and with everything taken into account I'd prefer the known foe than the obscure enemy. Above, you chose "great arrangement = great", however great is a lot of relative, and surprisingly the metallic mythical serpents can be effectively merciless and remorseless.
Bahamut is the platinum dragon. God of the good dragons. He’s pretty much always been LG. He has nothing to do with your incorrect assumptions.
There is no such thing as an emerald dragon deity. Saridor (I think that’s how you spell it I don’t have my Fizban’s next to me)* is the gem dragon god (they are colored ruby)*, but according to Fizban’s they’re (can’t remember their gender)* slumbering/dead. Saridor does bring up some interesting things though. I for one think that Saridor probably won’t win though, because amethyst dragons (the most powerful gem dragons)* are CR 23, and red and gold dragons (most powerful chromatic and metallic dragons, respectively)* are CR 24.
Between Bahumut and Tiamat, I think that Bahumut would win, because the shinier the better!
1v1: Nobody knows who wins, they're supposed to be about as powerful as each other.
Tiamat V. Bahamut and his 7 gold dragons: According to Fizbans Treasury of Dragons, Bahamut always has 7 ancient gold dragons with him. They would definitely let him win.
Tiamat with all her servants, friends, and cultists V. Bahamut: Easily Tiamat, even Bahamut cant beat everyone.
Tiamat with all her servants, friends, and cultists V. Bahamut with all of his: Tiamat takes a much more active role in the realms fates while Bahamut only interferes in extreme cases. Due to this Tiamat most likely has many more followers. Which would definitely make this a win for her.
Well the breath weapon and bite is the only one they can hurt one another (acid for tiamat), but with bahamut's mythic action with the 77 temp hit points, he would win (this is obvs based on aspects)
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Tiamat has canonical better ally’s. Asmodous and Tiamat are on extremely good terms. Tiamat also has more numerous followers. However bamahut tends to have the pc on its side, always side with the plot over numbers.
Plus Bahamut has arch angels, planetars, solars, and all good dragons at great wyrm age. All of wich are more powerful than any of their evil counterparts. Good just doesn't start wars.
Tiamat has canonical better ally’s. Asmodous and Tiamat are on extremely good terms. Tiamat also has more numerous followers. However bamahut tends to have the pc on its side, always side with the plot over numbers.
Tiamat is imprisoned in Hell ... Bahamut resides on Mount Celestia. Tiamat's followers are cultists trying to subvert establishments which are in some cases literallly aligned with Bahamut. Bahamut is a component of that establishment. Just because Bahamut doesn't take a head seat at the table doesn't mean he doesn't have a deep roster to draw from in a battle.
Of course in my game, Tiamat's "scattered prism" form is actually a consequence of Bahamut brutally trying to reign in her chaotic light to a more lawful ordering of things, riffing off a chapter title in the old Planescape Planes of Law describing Mount Celestia, "Righteous Wrath." The Flail of Tiamat in Fizban's in my game is actually the implement used by Bahamut's forces in my game to break her, its properties are residues of the injuries the precious metal dragons inflicted (and is "lost" to a plane of hydras and trolls created by Jubillex and a yet to be determined beastial demon lord). No one ever bothered asking the metallic dragons why they all reflected precious metals, arguably because the world they helped shaped offered prosperity ... till faults in the system were exposed. In truth (in my game), Tiamat is the broken form of something that was something quite wonderful, and tragically sundered. But that's all homebrew in this paragraph (and at least serves as the catalyst to try to recover a bunch of magical macguffins in a plane hopping campaign in the hopes of restoration or at least restitution. The first paragraph though, I think maps out Tiamat and Bahamut's respective neighborly relations more accurately.
So in terms of Tiamat v. Bahamut, I'm rooting for my party and the esoteric Copper Great Wyrm run offshoot of the Cult of the Dragon ... which may be secretly guided by the gemstones ... as Sardior wishes it.
FRCS Page 185, indicates to my reading that Tiamat isn't named after a Mesopotamian Goddess, she is that Mesopotamian Goddess; imported into Toril-Abeir courtesy of the prayers of men from Earth who wanted her help being freed from enslavement by a bunch of alien wizards, it was also Tiamat who fought twice and killed the very evil Gilgleam to free many more men from divine tyranny? If Bahamut(Marduk) is quite so warm and fluffy and just and trustworthy as his rhetoric says he is, why was he a willing member of the Untharic pantheon and didn't set his metallic dragons against the rest of that pantheon, who kept many slaves, and it was instead the Church of Tiamat and a red dragon pretending to be a man who freed them?
But thus according to history (Babylonian Myth), the proposed fight goes to Bahamut he's a warrior storm god afterall, whereas Tiamat is presented as a Creation Goddess and Mother who is angry with the gods.
But if I was a slave and wanted the nation that held me in bondage destroyed, so I could maybe live free if I survived the conflagration, it isn't Bahumut I'd pray to.
Personally I've always found Tiamat the more interesting of the two. She's a big mover and shaker in the planes and has a solid end-goal that she is striving toward whereas Bahamut seems mostly reactionary. She also has a way more interesting design; Five heads each representing a different Chromatic Dragon. Bahamut by comparison looks like a pretty normal dragon. If you show his picture to someone unaware of DnD lore they probably wouldn't think he's a big, important figure at all. Meanwhile if you show someone Tiamat in all her terrifying glory they'll at least recognize she's meant to be a powerful monster.
So I'd be rooting for Tiamat if for no other reason than her victory results in a more interesting narrative. The reign of the Dragon Queen comes!
Personally I've always found Tiamat the more interesting of the two. She's a big mover and shaker in the planes and has a solid end-goal that she is striving toward whereas Bahamut seems mostly reactionary. She also has a way more interesting design; Five heads each representing a different Chromatic Dragon. Bahamut by comparison looks like a pretty normal dragon. If you show his picture to someone unaware of DnD lore they probably wouldn't think he's a big, important figure at all. Meanwhile if you show someone Tiamat in all her terrifying glory they'll at least recognize she's meant to be a powerful monster.
So I'd be rooting for Tiamat if for no other reason than her victory results in a more interesting narrative. The reign of the Dragon Queen comes!
I cannot contest that reply: A world without Bahamut can easily be more interesting than a world without Tiamat. The churn is what it's all about, and Bahamut without Tiamat would leave little for Bahamut to directly oppose. Tiamat without Bahamut still has the whole Avernus thing and the whole the Material Plane domination thing but with one less hurdle in her way.
It still loses the extra turmoil caused by Tiamat versus Bahamut, and losing either of them would leave the Planes lesser for it, but if one had to go, Tiamat victorious would provide more excitement.
I would still root for Bahamut.
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I think that each should kill each other so they both regenerate in Mount Celestia/Avernus. So neither wins.
I know nothing at all about Bahamut, however I think Bahamut is the God-rendition of Baphomet the Beast Lord, so I realize who I'm pulling for.
We know the danger of Tiamat and we realize we can obliterate her symbols, however it takes some work.
We don't have a clue about the dangers that might be presented by Bahamut, we couldn't say whether we can annihilate their symbols, and with everything taken into account I'd prefer the known foe than the obscure enemy. Above, you chose "great arrangement = great", however great is a lot of relative, and surprisingly the metallic mythical serpents can be effectively merciless and remorseless.
The problem with that logic is that you've made a lot of assumptions about Bahamut that are incorrect.
It is well-known that Bahamut is a "don't start none if you don't want none" dragon god thing. Leave him alone and he leaves you alone. Tiamat is not the same.
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Bahamut is the platinum dragon. God of the good dragons. He’s pretty much always been LG. He has nothing to do with your incorrect assumptions.
There is no such thing as an emerald dragon deity. Saridor (I think that’s how you spell it I don’t have my Fizban’s next to me)* is the gem dragon god (they are colored ruby)*, but according to Fizban’s they’re (can’t remember their gender)* slumbering/dead. Saridor does bring up some interesting things though. I for one think that Saridor probably won’t win though, because amethyst dragons (the most powerful gem dragons)* are CR 23, and red and gold dragons (most powerful chromatic and metallic dragons, respectively)* are CR 24.
Between Bahumut and Tiamat, I think that Bahumut would win, because the shinier the better!
*(# I use to many parentheses)
It depends:
1v1: Nobody knows who wins, they're supposed to be about as powerful as each other.
Tiamat V. Bahamut and his 7 gold dragons: According to Fizbans Treasury of Dragons, Bahamut always has 7 ancient gold dragons with him. They would definitely let him win.
Tiamat with all her servants, friends, and cultists V. Bahamut: Easily Tiamat, even Bahamut cant beat everyone.
Tiamat with all her servants, friends, and cultists V. Bahamut with all of his: Tiamat takes a much more active role in the realms fates while Bahamut only interferes in extreme cases. Due to this Tiamat most likely has many more followers. Which would definitely make this a win for her.
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So I am voting for Behemoth to win, because why not.
Well the breath weapon and bite is the only one they can hurt one another (acid for tiamat), but with bahamut's mythic action with the 77 temp hit points, he would win (this is obvs based on aspects)
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I;d always want the kindly old wizard to win every time.
Tiamat has canonical better ally’s. Asmodous and Tiamat are on extremely good terms. Tiamat also has more numerous followers. However bamahut tends to have the pc on its side, always side with the plot over numbers.
In 1st edition monster manual he has a disintegration bean that does 150 permanent damage. That can never be healed.
Plus Bahamut has arch angels, planetars, solars, and all good dragons at great wyrm age. All of wich are more powerful than any of their evil counterparts. Good just doesn't start wars.
Tiamat is imprisoned in Hell ... Bahamut resides on Mount Celestia. Tiamat's followers are cultists trying to subvert establishments which are in some cases literallly aligned with Bahamut. Bahamut is a component of that establishment. Just because Bahamut doesn't take a head seat at the table doesn't mean he doesn't have a deep roster to draw from in a battle.
Of course in my game, Tiamat's "scattered prism" form is actually a consequence of Bahamut brutally trying to reign in her chaotic light to a more lawful ordering of things, riffing off a chapter title in the old Planescape Planes of Law describing Mount Celestia, "Righteous Wrath." The Flail of Tiamat in Fizban's in my game is actually the implement used by Bahamut's forces in my game to break her, its properties are residues of the injuries the precious metal dragons inflicted (and is "lost" to a plane of hydras and trolls created by Jubillex and a yet to be determined beastial demon lord). No one ever bothered asking the metallic dragons why they all reflected precious metals, arguably because the world they helped shaped offered prosperity ... till faults in the system were exposed. In truth (in my game), Tiamat is the broken form of something that was something quite wonderful, and tragically sundered. But that's all homebrew in this paragraph (and at least serves as the catalyst to try to recover a bunch of magical macguffins in a plane hopping campaign in the hopes of restoration or at least restitution. The first paragraph though, I think maps out Tiamat and Bahamut's respective neighborly relations more accurately.
So in terms of Tiamat v. Bahamut, I'm rooting for my party and the esoteric Copper Great Wyrm run offshoot of the Cult of the Dragon ... which may be secretly guided by the gemstones ... as Sardior wishes it.
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FRCS Page 185, indicates to my reading that Tiamat isn't named after a Mesopotamian Goddess, she is that Mesopotamian Goddess; imported into Toril-Abeir courtesy of the prayers of men from Earth who wanted her help being freed from enslavement by a bunch of alien wizards, it was also Tiamat who fought twice and killed the very evil Gilgleam to free many more men from divine tyranny? If Bahamut(Marduk) is quite so warm and fluffy and just and trustworthy as his rhetoric says he is, why was he a willing member of the Untharic pantheon and didn't set his metallic dragons against the rest of that pantheon, who kept many slaves, and it was instead the Church of Tiamat and a red dragon pretending to be a man who freed them?
But thus according to history (Babylonian Myth), the proposed fight goes to Bahamut he's a warrior storm god afterall, whereas Tiamat is presented as a Creation Goddess and Mother who is angry with the gods.
But if I was a slave and wanted the nation that held me in bondage destroyed, so I could maybe live free if I survived the conflagration, it isn't Bahumut I'd pray to.
my votes on Bahamut.
So, I would side with bahamut, only because he has the 100 damage bite attack, but tiamat has more health, so it comes down to the die roles.
Personally I've always found Tiamat the more interesting of the two. She's a big mover and shaker in the planes and has a solid end-goal that she is striving toward whereas Bahamut seems mostly reactionary. She also has a way more interesting design; Five heads each representing a different Chromatic Dragon. Bahamut by comparison looks like a pretty normal dragon. If you show his picture to someone unaware of DnD lore they probably wouldn't think he's a big, important figure at all. Meanwhile if you show someone Tiamat in all her terrifying glory they'll at least recognize she's meant to be a powerful monster.
So I'd be rooting for Tiamat if for no other reason than her victory results in a more interesting narrative. The reign of the Dragon Queen comes!
Bahumat is a god of justice, unrelated (to my knowledge) to baphomet.
Fair piont
I cannot contest that reply: A world without Bahamut can easily be more interesting than a world without Tiamat. The churn is what it's all about, and Bahamut without Tiamat would leave little for Bahamut to directly oppose. Tiamat without Bahamut still has the whole Avernus thing and the whole the Material Plane domination thing but with one less hurdle in her way.
It still loses the extra turmoil caused by Tiamat versus Bahamut, and losing either of them would leave the Planes lesser for it, but if one had to go, Tiamat victorious would provide more excitement.
I would still root for Bahamut.
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“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.