I was so excited for the bundle and then I read the small print. Shipping for Canada is almost 43 USD even for the basic book. That's insane, for that price it really is cheaper to just buy both separately.
I was so excited for the bundle and then I read the small print. Shipping for Canada is almost 43 USD even for the basic book. That's insane, for that price it really is cheaper to just buy both separately.
I feel you I'm in Canada as well so I will be saying on digital with a amazon.ca copy if I want a dead tree version. But I understand WotC is a US company that doesn't have a Canadian distributor.
But I gather it will only be certain new releases that get bundles before 2024, and then there will be a lot more offered.
also...people have been asking for this for years, DNDB and WoTC finally start making it happen and literally the first post is how much you hate it.
They really can't win can they?
I was thinking the exact same thing. When they announced it, my first thought was “Thank the gods, the complaining will end” and the very first thread I see after the announcement is how WotC is uber big bad evil corporation. The worst customers really are fans.
I have said it before... WotC could hand out bags of money with each book; people would complain about the color of the bag.
So true. Not sure how offering probably the most requested option people have been requesting for years is a "slap in the face" but no matter what they announced and when they announced it, someone would find a problem with it. Nature of the internet, I guess.
I'm not a big fan of Dragonlance, but I'm also a bit of a completionist who mines almost every book for something useful. So I'll consider it. It's cheaper than I've paid for getting the physical book and DDB content separately in the past even with my Legendary Bundle discount. So seems like a good deal to me.
(Well, other than the shipping tho. I'm luckily in the US and those shipping rates outside of the US suuuuuck, but I doubt WotC is charging that much because they want to. International shipping is a mess right now, and late November I imagine will be ridiculously worse, unforunately.)
Oh I know that. I'm also a mtg player so I dealt with their store in the past for secret lairs. 120 usd bundle, 40 usd shipping and then another 50 usd on delivery for duties. That's why I'm very wary. They need to find a better way to distribute up here because that's just insane.
I don't actually think they know what they are doing on this whole One Dnd thing. You are not going to convince me that WoTC will put out a reliable competent vtt. Most of the recent content seems rushed and unfinished ,how Hasbro do you think you can (one) take over the crown that Foundry currently holds (2) provide the flexibility of modules and features an open sourced project has and (3) think that we will go back to paying a sub for said vtt. This is a blatant cash grab straight from the old TSR days. "drops of content" is another phrase for you are going to have to buy more core rulebooks. The next thing that happens is we wont be able to use our own purchased digital content where we want and sub fees are going to rise. Slapping your customer base in the face is not a good business plan. Hopefully I'm wrong here but that's the thing about studying history...you start to see patterns....
I wonder how many people who use the phrase "I feel slapped in the face" over stuff like this have ever actually been really slapped in the face.
Business decisions are not personal attacks.
That being said, yeah as someone who mostly buys on D&D Beyond the bundle price + shipping is way too high.
I get the retail for the book alone is $50, but as someone who'd never pay $50 for that physical book, that doesn't matter much to me. My choices are.
Get it the way I've gotten every other D&D book for $26 (thanks to bundle discount) or get it with the physical book for $72 dollars. For me, that's still basically paying $46 for the book. If I was gonna do that, I'd already be buying the books.
Ditch the shipping cost and I'd probably do it to have physical books. This may be a good deal for folks who buy physical books, but for us digital buyers? It's all of "Save $4" and that's assuming you'd pay full retail.
Umm...has anyone checked the bundle price in USD? It's £60, but that's not $60, it's $72, and it generally costs more in America for the same stuff in D&D. In Britain, the cost of it in a bundle (without shipping, which is free here, but WotC will probably charge) would be more than it would for many of the adventures plus their DDB counterpart. Even before paying for the book to be delivered (and without bundle discounts too), it would be cheaper or the same to just buy them separately.
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So heres the real question : are they gonna still let us buy them apart though?
cuz if so, having those both as an option, but I prefer to buy books separately, getting an extra book wont be fun if I get it not thinking ill want it on beyond later
doing it separate also means ppl wont have to buy the bundles
So heres the real question : are they gonna still let us buy them apart though?
cuz if so, having those both as an option, but I prefer to buy books separately, getting an extra book wont be fun if I get it not thinking ill want it on beyond later
doing it separate also means ppl wont have to buy the bundles
Now right now, the only way to pre-order the physical copy is through the bundle. But later on, it will be sold online, in stores, etc without the need for a bundle. The digital only can be pre-ordered stand-alone right now.
A better question is will the Hobby Shops that sells the books, provides a place for people to play D&D be given a cut of the digital sales? Or will the hobby shops be expected to further their own extinction by selling D&D's books and moving them onto D&D's servers to buy their content from D&D itself instead of the hobby shop?
Right now WotC cut all listings of in person D&D adventurers leagues at hobby shops, while continuing to put out MTG meetings at hobby shops. This isn't about safety but profit, for D&D at the expense of hobby shops. Its getting harder and harder to find open games at hobby shops since adventurers league was shut down for hobby shops. Now add in this potential hit to a Hobby Shops bottom line, why should they carry D&D Books now?
So heres the real question : are they gonna still let us buy them apart though?
cuz if so, having those both as an option, but I prefer to buy books separately, getting an extra book wont be fun if I get it not thinking ill want it on beyond later
doing it separate also means ppl wont have to buy the bundles
Now right now, the only way to pre-order the physical copy is through the bundle. But later on, it will be sold online, in stores, etc without the need for a bundle. The digital only can be pre-ordered stand-alone right now.
That makes solid sense though it do kinda suck those outside the USA are getting hit hard with prices for shipping
and it makes sense its a test run as well, I'm glad they arent just putting it out without a test run
I don't actually think they know what they are doing on this whole One Dnd thing. You are not going to convince me that WoTC will put out a reliable competent vtt. Most of the recent content seems rushed and unfinished ,how Hasbro do you think you can (one) take over the crown that Foundry currently holds (2) provide the flexibility of modules and features an open sourced project has and (3) think that we will go back to paying a sub for said vtt. This is a blatant cash grab straight from the old TSR days. "drops of content" is another phrase for you are going to have to buy more core rulebooks. The next thing that happens is we wont be able to use our own purchased digital content where we want and sub fees are going to rise. Slapping your customer base in the face is not a good business plan. Hopefully I'm wrong here but that's the thing about studying history...you start to see patterns....
A better question is will the Hobby Shops that sells the books, provides a place for people to play D&D be given a cut of the digital sales? Or will the hobby shops be expected to further their own extinction by selling D&D's books and moving them onto D&D's servers to buy their content from D&D itself instead of the hobby shop?
Right now WotC cut all listings of in person D&D adventurers leagues at hobby shops, while continuing to put out MTG meetings at hobby shops. This isn't about safety but profit, for D&D at the expense of hobby shops. Its getting harder and harder to find open games at hobby shops since adventurers league was shut down for hobby shops. Now add in this potential hit to a Hobby Shops bottom line, why should they carry D&D Books now?
Because D&D books are profitable to sell in the first place?
you may not have a bunch of ppl coming to play but you could very well still make money off every book, and no more then likely they arent gonna cut hobby shops in
A better question is will the Hobby Shops that sells the books, provides a place for people to play D&D be given a cut of the digital sales? Or will the hobby shops be expected to further their own extinction by selling D&D's books and moving them onto D&D's servers to buy their content from D&D itself instead of the hobby shop?
Right now WotC cut all listings of in person D&D adventurers leagues at hobby shops, while continuing to put out MTG meetings at hobby shops. This isn't about safety but profit, for D&D at the expense of hobby shops. Its getting harder and harder to find open games at hobby shops since adventurers league was shut down for hobby shops. Now add in this potential hit to a Hobby Shops bottom line, why should they carry D&D Books now?
Why would hobby shops be cut in?
Brick and Mortar gaming is dying and most stores aren't trying to evolve. The whole point of developing a virtual table top, owning a digital toolset and giving bundle discounts is to cut competition out of the market and consolidate internally. Honestly we're at a place where virtual gaming is as easy as it's ever been and if there is an official virtual table top with an official digital toolset and integration across both? Hobby Shops would be hard pressed to compete in that space.
That said most hobby shops in the last 7 years really aren't even trying to make money on tabletop rpg books. They sell it but it's all collectable card games and minis.
I was so excited for the bundle and then I read the small print. Shipping for Canada is almost 43 USD even for the basic book. That's insane, for that price it really is cheaper to just buy both separately.
It does come with pre-order bonuses.
This one will not be available in LGS for the digital/physical bundle.
This is a test. Future ones might be. They're still figuring it out.
That's fine and all, but dang, those shipping costs kind of kill things, especially if you're not in the US.
I feel you I'm in Canada as well so I will be saying on digital with a amazon.ca copy if I want a dead tree version. But I understand WotC is a US company that doesn't have a Canadian distributor.
So true. Not sure how offering probably the most requested option people have been requesting for years is a "slap in the face" but no matter what they announced and when they announced it, someone would find a problem with it. Nature of the internet, I guess.
I'm not a big fan of Dragonlance, but I'm also a bit of a completionist who mines almost every book for something useful. So I'll consider it. It's cheaper than I've paid for getting the physical book and DDB content separately in the past even with my Legendary Bundle discount. So seems like a good deal to me.
(Well, other than the shipping tho. I'm luckily in the US and those shipping rates outside of the US suuuuuck, but I doubt WotC is charging that much because they want to. International shipping is a mess right now, and late November I imagine will be ridiculously worse, unforunately.)
Oh I know that. I'm also a mtg player so I dealt with their store in the past for secret lairs. 120 usd bundle, 40 usd shipping and then another 50 usd on delivery for duties. That's why I'm very wary. They need to find a better way to distribute up here because that's just insane.
I was assuming the physical would be around $30 also, but even if it does end up being $50 there's still the $12 shipping cost, so it's not much.
I don't actually think they know what they are doing on this whole One Dnd thing. You are not going to convince me that WoTC will put out a reliable competent vtt. Most of the recent content seems rushed and unfinished ,how Hasbro do you think you can (one) take over the crown that Foundry currently holds (2) provide the flexibility of modules and features an open sourced project has and (3) think that we will go back to paying a sub for said vtt. This is a blatant cash grab straight from the old TSR days. "drops of content" is another phrase for you are going to have to buy more core rulebooks. The next thing that happens is we wont be able to use our own purchased digital content where we want and sub fees are going to rise. Slapping your customer base in the face is not a good business plan. Hopefully I'm wrong here but that's the thing about studying history...you start to see patterns....
I wonder how many people who use the phrase "I feel slapped in the face" over stuff like this have ever actually been really slapped in the face.
Business decisions are not personal attacks.
That being said, yeah as someone who mostly buys on D&D Beyond the bundle price + shipping is way too high.
I get the retail for the book alone is $50, but as someone who'd never pay $50 for that physical book, that doesn't matter much to me.
My choices are.
Get it the way I've gotten every other D&D book for $26 (thanks to bundle discount) or get it with the physical book for $72 dollars.
For me, that's still basically paying $46 for the book. If I was gonna do that, I'd already be buying the books.
Ditch the shipping cost and I'd probably do it to have physical books.
This may be a good deal for folks who buy physical books, but for us digital buyers? It's all of "Save $4" and that's assuming you'd pay full retail.
Umm...has anyone checked the bundle price in USD? It's £60, but that's not $60, it's $72, and it generally costs more in America for the same stuff in D&D. In Britain, the cost of it in a bundle (without shipping, which is free here, but WotC will probably charge) would be more than it would for many of the adventures plus their DDB counterpart. Even before paying for the book to be delivered (and without bundle discounts too), it would be cheaper or the same to just buy them separately.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
I'm pleasantly surprised at the people defending this versus those condemning it even though nobody's all that certain what's going to happen. Optimism might be naïveté, crushed hopes might seem cruel, but at least, we have more fun in the mean time than fretting about things we really can't change. Que será, será.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
So heres the real question : are they gonna still let us buy them apart though?
cuz if so, having those both as an option, but I prefer to buy books separately, getting an extra book wont be fun if I get it not thinking ill want it on beyond later
doing it separate also means ppl wont have to buy the bundles
uh, yeah :)
https://www.dndbeyond.com/marketplace/sourcebooks/dragonlance-shadow-of-the-dragon-queen-digital-pre
Now right now, the only way to pre-order the physical copy is through the bundle. But later on, it will be sold online, in stores, etc without the need for a bundle. The digital only can be pre-ordered stand-alone right now.
A better question is will the Hobby Shops that sells the books, provides a place for people to play D&D be given a cut of the digital sales? Or will the hobby shops be expected to further their own extinction by selling D&D's books and moving them onto D&D's servers to buy their content from D&D itself instead of the hobby shop?
Right now WotC cut all listings of in person D&D adventurers leagues at hobby shops, while continuing to put out MTG meetings at hobby shops. This isn't about safety but profit, for D&D at the expense of hobby shops. Its getting harder and harder to find open games at hobby shops since adventurers league was shut down for hobby shops. Now add in this potential hit to a Hobby Shops bottom line, why should they carry D&D Books now?
That makes solid sense though it do kinda suck those outside the USA are getting hit hard with prices for shipping
and it makes sense its a test run as well, I'm glad they arent just putting it out without a test run
Shipping in the UK is £5.99
Because D&D books are profitable to sell in the first place?
you may not have a bunch of ppl coming to play but you could very well still make money off every book, and no more then likely they arent gonna cut hobby shops in
Why would hobby shops be cut in?
Brick and Mortar gaming is dying and most stores aren't trying to evolve. The whole point of developing a virtual table top, owning a digital toolset and giving bundle discounts is to cut competition out of the market and consolidate internally. Honestly we're at a place where virtual gaming is as easy as it's ever been and if there is an official virtual table top with an official digital toolset and integration across both? Hobby Shops would be hard pressed to compete in that space.
That said most hobby shops in the last 7 years really aren't even trying to make money on tabletop rpg books. They sell it but it's all collectable card games and minis.
Will the deluxe bundle be offered in local stores?
Sorry if this has been asked before, but does anybody know if there will be an alt-cover version outside of the bundle?