You've always needed a sub for homebrew, at least within the platform (nothing is stopping you from writing your homebrew on a piece of paper or something outside it.)
Free accounts can make and publish homebrew on site. Or you can make homebrew and not publish, and keep it for use in private campaigns.
You've always needed a sub for homebrew, at least within the platform (nothing is stopping you from writing your homebrew on a piece of paper or something outside it.)
Free accounts can make and publish homebrew on site. Or you can make homebrew and not publish, and keep it for use in private campaigns.
Man, no disrespect to anyone intended (especially you, Psyren), but I think the thing that terrifies me the most about D&D Beyond's runaway success may be the number of threads I see on these forums that demonstrate that even its supporters do not understand what they are paying for and what they are getting for free (and what they are not getting even when they do pay). :(
You've always needed a sub for homebrew, at least within the platform (nothing is stopping you from writing your homebrew on a piece of paper or something outside it.)
Free accounts can make and publish homebrew on site. Or you can make homebrew and not publish, and keep it for use in private campaigns.
Man, no disrespect to anyone intended (especially you, Psyren), but I think the thing that terrifies me the most about D&D Beyond's runaway success may be the number of threads I see on these forums that demonstrate that even its supporters do not understand what they are paying for and what they are getting for free (and what they are not getting even when they do pay). :(
I'm referring to this line under both subscription tiers:
"Add publicly shared homebrew content"
Maybe you could make your own homebrew for personal use without a subscription tier, I wouldn't know. For me the value was in using what other people have made (and sharing my books with my group) - the $6/mo was hardly something I noticed for both of those things.
You've always needed a sub for homebrew, at least within the platform (nothing is stopping you from writing your homebrew on a piece of paper or something outside it.)
Free accounts can make and publish homebrew on site. Or you can make homebrew and not publish, and keep it for use in private campaigns.
Man, no disrespect to anyone intended (especially you, Psyren), but I think the thing that terrifies me the most about D&D Beyond's runaway success may be the number of threads I see on these forums that demonstrate that even its supporters do not understand what they are paying for and what they are getting for free (and what they are not getting even when they do pay). :(
I'm referring to this line under both subscription tiers:
"Add publicly shared homebrew content"
Maybe you could make your own homebrew for personal use without a subscription tier, I wouldn't know. For me the value was in using what other people have made (and sharing my books with my group) - the $6/mo was hardly something I noticed for both of those things.
Well they already raised rates, you could pay for a year upfront and save money if I remember right. Now its a flat monthly fee.
You've always needed a sub for homebrew, at least within the platform (nothing is stopping you from writing your homebrew on a piece of paper or something outside it.)
Free accounts can make and publish homebrew on site. Or you can make homebrew and not publish, and keep it for use in private campaigns.
Man, no disrespect to anyone intended (especially you, Psyren), but I think the thing that terrifies me the most about D&D Beyond's runaway success may be the number of threads I see on these forums that demonstrate that even its supporters do not understand what they are paying for and what they are getting for free (and what they are not getting even when they do pay). :(
I'm referring to this line under both subscription tiers:
"Add publicly shared homebrew content"
Maybe you could make your own homebrew for personal use without a subscription tier, I wouldn't know. For me the value was in using what other people have made (and sharing my books with my group) - the $6/mo was hardly something I noticed for both of those things.
Well they already raised rates, you could pay for a year upfront and save money if I remember right. Now its a flat monthly fee.
I just checked in another browser and the options to pay semi-annually ($30) and annually ($55) still exist as of this writing.
Giving 3rd party publishers a pathway to publish on DDB seemed like the "no-brainer" to me if monetising the franchise was the objective
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But if it is, it's going to kill DnDone before it ever lives. I can see them removing all 5e content from DnDBeyond to 'force' people to switch over. But that will just result in them leaving and using pen/paper again.
For those prices people won't be able to afford rent and heating. Especially if they're homebrew users.
With all the weird choices for the future of the game and how clueless and tone-deaf they are at the moment, I wouldn't put it past them, but I do not trust this source enough to act on it or start a riot. If they really would try something like this, they will further damage DnD as a brand and might potentially also damage the hobby in general-
I only play in person so I don't care about the online stuff as much, but it all just seems senseless and greedy. Why not just open DnD Beyond for 3rd party content? It always bothered me, that I could not use my MCDM classes here. Think about how it could be more useful for us DMs. You would make so much money. Just make more great content. We used to buy this stuff and will continue to do so, if you work with and not against us.
If you really charge 30 dollar a player and restrict homebrew, people will rightfully leave. That being said. DnD_Shorts seems like a cool guy, but all these leaks (excluding the OGL 1.1) are basically "trust me bro" and a lot of it seems to black and white.
This is beyond shocking. So all of us that have bought the books on site, we would lose our content as well if we unsub? 30$ a month??? For what? A few free frames for our avi?
I cant believe what is going on. Its as if they are purposefully trying to drive people away.
I have already invested now, in "other similar games". Which, Ironically, when I buy their digital books, I get a pdf download of it too.
One thing I will mention. This new bit from D&D Shorts mentions "Tiers". It could be - and this is an increasingly faint hope - that DDB is not necessarily planning on taking away from existing users but instead on adding new tiers above/between Hero and Master to give people more options. Mostly because at this point with the community already feeling as burned and ruffled as it is, taking away people's subscriptions and asking them to pay drastically more for the same content is...not a winning play. Not when half the damn board is already dropping their sub over the OGL thing. Making subscribing more painful and making not being subscribed more punitive is gonna result in a fresh hemmorhage of people, especially for a feature as fundamentally pointless as "A.I. DMs"
It says something pretty serious about the future of the company if this isn't true. The community is pretty pissed and wants to be more mad now on top of having a reason.
Whether or not these exact items are true, you can 100% bet that Hasbro directed Wotc to increase the subscription prices. It's clear from the Hasbro quarterly conference call they want more than just DMs paying; so, increasing subscriptions across the board is an easy way of increasing revenue.
Does DnD Shorts have any history of lying? WotC CERTAINLY have!
DnD Shorts states that, "Hos is correct on everything, confirmed by WotC sources".
Yurei might more honestly have written, "Not to sass D&D Shorts, he may well [not be lying]". Is there a reason is there to disbelieve what he states?
WotC has seriously lost control of the narrative at this point. If they had come clean in their previous statement and backtracked to leaving the OGL as status quo, everyone would be looking at this new info and saying, "they'll probably backtrack here too."
Instead, we're now here and have no reason not to treat this as reliable.
First, those same Youtubers were correct about the OGL; so, that gives them some legitimacy. With that said, I do agree verification of this info is needed.
HOWEVER, we have Hasbro on the quarterly conference call specifically stating they want to increase monetization. More to the point, they want the player base to pay more; so, increasing DnD Beyond subscriptions is the most obvious way.....that definitely adds some legitimacy to this leak.
Does DnD Shorts have any history of lying? WotC CERTAINLY have!
DnD Shorts states that, "Hos is correct on everything, confirmed by WotC sources".
Yurei might more honestly have written, "Not to sass D&D Shorts, he may well [not be lying]". Is there a reason is there to disbelieve what he states?
WotC has seriously lost control of the narrative at this point. If they had come clean in their previous statement and backtracked to leaving the OGL as status quo, everyone would be looking at this new info and saying, "they'll probably backtrack here too."
Instead, we're now here and have no reason not to treat this as reliable.
I have a loose group of around 30 or 40 people that play DnD through my old job. I've played with a bunch of them, and our discord server has a whole separate channel now for new campaigns in other systems. A few have mentioned ending early just to switch out of spite.
Make no mistake, when a company begins cannibalistic squeeze like this they never change course. That would be admitting we were right, and right now they are insisting on telling us they win.... oh we we win tooooooooo.
The changes recently and looming future squeezes prove a resentment and dislike of us for being unruly and hard to monetize. It sucks that we are never going to see another DnD movie as a result of this. That is if they didn't botch it independent of this mess.
Giving money to WotC hasn't lowered to the level of lack of self respect of OnlyFans but it sure is trying.
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Free accounts can make and publish homebrew on site. Or you can make homebrew and not publish, and keep it for use in private campaigns.
Man, no disrespect to anyone intended (especially you, Psyren), but I think the thing that terrifies me the most about D&D Beyond's runaway success may be the number of threads I see on these forums that demonstrate that even its supporters do not understand what they are paying for and what they are getting for free (and what they are not getting even when they do pay). :(
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I'm referring to this line under both subscription tiers:
"Add publicly shared homebrew content"
Maybe you could make your own homebrew for personal use without a subscription tier, I wouldn't know. For me the value was in using what other people have made (and sharing my books with my group) - the $6/mo was hardly something I noticed for both of those things.
Well they already raised rates, you could pay for a year upfront and save money if I remember right. Now its a flat monthly fee.
I just checked in another browser and the options to pay semi-annually ($30) and annually ($55) still exist as of this writing.
This is what I see with a new browser no account, and its the same thing I saw with my logged in account.
Paid for content with Master tier can be shared. Published Homebrew has always been free to use regardless of tier .
https://www.dndbeyond.com/homebrew/creations/view?entityTypeId=779871897&id=895578
Right - if you hit the "Select" buttons you will see the semi-annual and annual options for those tiers. (Hence the "starting at" language.)
Mmm... "Malicious unhappiness" springs to mind
Giving 3rd party publishers a pathway to publish on DDB seemed like the "no-brainer" to me if monetising the franchise was the objective
“It cannot be seen, cannot be felt, Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt, It lies behind stars and under hills, And empty holes it fills, It comes first and follows after, Ends life, kills laughter.” J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit, or There and Back Again
No clue if it's legit or not.
But if it is, it's going to kill DnDone before it ever lives. I can see them removing all 5e content from DnDBeyond to 'force' people to switch over. But that will just result in them leaving and using pen/paper again.
For those prices people won't be able to afford rent and heating. Especially if they're homebrew users.
With all the weird choices for the future of the game and how clueless and tone-deaf they are at the moment, I wouldn't put it past them, but I do not trust this source enough to act on it or start a riot. If they really would try something like this, they will further damage DnD as a brand and might potentially also damage the hobby in general-
I only play in person so I don't care about the online stuff as much, but it all just seems senseless and greedy. Why not just open DnD Beyond for 3rd party content? It always bothered me, that I could not use my MCDM classes here. Think about how it could be more useful for us DMs. You would make so much money. Just make more great content. We used to buy this stuff and will continue to do so, if you work with and not against us.
If you really charge 30 dollar a player and restrict homebrew, people will rightfully leave. That being said. DnD_Shorts seems like a cool guy, but all these leaks (excluding the OGL 1.1) are basically "trust me bro" and a lot of it seems to black and white.
This is beyond shocking. So all of us that have bought the books on site, we would lose our content as well if we unsub?
30$ a month??? For what? A few free frames for our avi?
I cant believe what is going on. Its as if they are purposefully trying to drive people away.
I have already invested now, in "other similar games". Which, Ironically, when I buy their digital books, I get a pdf download of it too.
Please DDB, tell us all this is not true!
"I swear, it was on fire when I got there!"
One thing I will mention. This new bit from D&D Shorts mentions "Tiers". It could be - and this is an increasingly faint hope - that DDB is not necessarily planning on taking away from existing users but instead on adding new tiers above/between Hero and Master to give people more options. Mostly because at this point with the community already feeling as burned and ruffled as it is, taking away people's subscriptions and asking them to pay drastically more for the same content is...not a winning play. Not when half the damn board is already dropping their sub over the OGL thing. Making subscribing more painful and making not being subscribed more punitive is gonna result in a fresh hemmorhage of people, especially for a feature as fundamentally pointless as "A.I. DMs"
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It says something pretty serious about the future of the company if this isn't true. The community is pretty pissed and wants to be more mad now on top of having a reason.
Does DnD Shorts have any history of lying?
WotC CERTAINLY have!
DnD Shorts states that, "Hos is correct on everything, confirmed by WotC sources".
Yurei might more honestly have written, "Not to sass D&D Shorts, he may well [not be lying]". Is there a reason is there to disbelieve what he states?
Whether or not these exact items are true, you can 100% bet that Hasbro directed Wotc to increase the subscription prices. It's clear from the Hasbro quarterly conference call they want more than just DMs paying; so, increasing subscriptions across the board is an easy way of increasing revenue.
WotC has seriously lost control of the narrative at this point. If they had come clean in their previous statement and backtracked to leaving the OGL as status quo, everyone would be looking at this new info and saying, "they'll probably backtrack here too."
Instead, we're now here and have no reason not to treat this as reliable.
First, those same Youtubers were correct about the OGL; so, that gives them some legitimacy. With that said, I do agree verification of this info is needed.
HOWEVER, we have Hasbro on the quarterly conference call specifically stating they want to increase monetization. More to the point, they want the player base to pay more; so, increasing DnD Beyond subscriptions is the most obvious way.....that definitely adds some legitimacy to this leak.
I have a loose group of around 30 or 40 people that play DnD through my old job. I've played with a bunch of them, and our discord server has a whole separate channel now for new campaigns in other systems. A few have mentioned ending early just to switch out of spite.
Make no mistake, when a company begins cannibalistic squeeze like this they never change course. That would be admitting we were right, and right now they are insisting on telling us they win.... oh we we win tooooooooo.
The changes recently and looming future squeezes prove a resentment and dislike of us for being unruly and hard to monetize. It sucks that we are never going to see another DnD movie as a result of this. That is if they didn't botch it independent of this mess.
Giving money to WotC hasn't lowered to the level of lack of self respect of OnlyFans but it sure is trying.