Like many of you, I demonstrated my concerns and disappointment with Wizards of the Coast by terminating my subscription to D&D Beyond, cancelling my planned purchases of WotC products (both D&D and MtG) and exploring other games/systems for use in future campaigns with my group, all based on the assumption that WotC would continue moving D&D in a direction that I refused to accept. With the announcement, earlier this week, that WotC would NOT be moving forward with the attempted deauthorization of OGL 1.0(a) and the prohibition of high-functioning non-WotC VTTs, as well as the posting of the full SRD 5.1 to CC - all things that we believed would have a significant negative impact on both D&D, specifically, and the TTRPG industry, in general, WotC has shown us that - at least for now - they are listening to our feedback and are willing to work towards a mutually beneficial relationship.
Now it's our turn. I fully support gamers engaging with, learning to play, and enjoying a wide variety of RPGs, since many of these games have dynamic and engaging mechanics, compelling narratives and vibrant settings. It is unfortunate that discovery of these fantastic games was driven by a negative experience, but - given what we knew for certain in the previous several weeks - it was necessary. As of now, however, WotC has given us everything we asked for, and it is not unreasonable for us to take a few steps back towards the relationship we enjoyed before this all started. Yes, WotC has damaged their reputation with the community, and it will likely be some time before we begin to feel that we can trust the company again. But if we refuse to take this crucial step, we are sending WotC the wrong message.
We wanted WotC to refrain from implementing the VTT Policy, that they retain OGL 1.0(a), and that they support Open Gaming --- they wanted us to restart our D&D Beyond subscriptions and to play and enjoy D&D. They gave us what we wanted, and it's not unreasonable for us to do the same.
If we, as players, continue to direct our complete focus toward other games and do not reinstate our D&D Beyond subscriptions, we are telling WotC that it doesn't matter if they listen to what we say we want. That there's no point in keeping a business strategy that helps to support competitive products, if that doesn't ultimately benefit them by ensuring D&D is the most popular and most played RPG. Because they've released SRD 5.1 under CC, 5e will forever be Open Gaming content. But, if we want OneD&D/6e to follow in that mutually beneficial direction, we need to show the senior leadership at WotC that, by giving us what we ask for, they will ultimately benefit.
Well, I think these posts don't make sense. Everyone will know what he has to do, if he wants to continue playing D&D or switch to other systems, etc...
And yes, what we have to do now is move forward. Forget about all this mess, and let things calm down. I think what we all want is to play role-playing and have fun, not be a bunch of fuss on social networks etc... Well, maybe I'm being overly optimistic about that. But at least that's what I want.
In any case, it is best to turn the page and have everyone have fun with the game they want.
For my part, I am going to continue playing D&D, just like I play many other systems.
The truth is that for me all this that has happened in recent weeks has been very unpleasant. All conversations revolved around the OGL. And there was nothing but noise, noise and noise. Now we have to move on.
I disagree. Sometimes actions have consequences and sometimes "I'm sorry for trying to screw you" isn't enough. Not that I think it's my place to guilt you into subbing or not subbing, but I also kindof think that it's presumptuous of you to tell other people to "get over it" and get back on the payment plan before Wizards can realize that saying "I'm sorry" isn't a magic wand. They went down this road with the full knowledge that people would be upset. They were abusive; They were greedy and were willing to trade our loyalty for complete ownership of the TTRPG and VTT space. They should not expect anyone they lost to re-sub, and, anyone who does should be welcomed back like a king returning to his kingdom. Right now, if they want subs back, they should be running "I'm sorry specials" that make black friday/cyber monday look like grocery store coupons and striking deals with the companies like Paizo, foundry and Kobold press. You know, the major players who they were ACTUALLY threatening.
The moral of the story should be that attempting to monopolize the entire concept of collaborative/interactive storytelling by threatening 3pp was a BAD idea. Thinking that they OWN our loyalty and that they don't need to earn it, every day, by putting out NEW IP and BETTER services, and that they could just squash the competition instead was a BAD idea. I honestly don't think crawling back the second they apologize is sending the right message here. Do you?
My vote, give it 6 months of good behavior. Then, consider it. I think WotC deserves a time out.
I disagree. Sometimes actions have consequences and sometimes "I'm sorry for trying to screw you" isn't enough. Not that I think it's my place to guilt you into subbing or not subbing, but I also kindof think that it's presumptuous of you to tell other people to "get over it" and get back on the payment plan before Wizards can realize that saying "I'm sorry" isn't a magic wand. They went down this road with the full knowledge that people would be upset. They were abusive; They were greedy and were willing to trade our loyalty for complete ownership of the TTRPG and VTT space. They should not expect anyone they lost to re-sub, and, anyone who does should be welcomed back like a king returning to his kingdom. Right now, if they want subs back, they should be running "I'm sorry specials" that make black friday/cyber monday look like grocery store coupons and striking deals with the companies like Paizo, foundry and Kobold press. You know, the major players who they were ACTUALLY threatening.
The moral of the story should be that attempting to monopolize the entire concept of collaborative/interactive storytelling by threatening 3pp was a BAD idea. Thinking that they OWN our loyalty and that they don't need to earn it, every day, by putting out NEW IP and BETTER services, and that they could just squash the competition instead was a BAD idea. I honestly don't think crawling back the second they apologize is sending the right message here. Do you?
My vote, give it 6 months of good behavior. Then, consider it. I think WotC deserves a time out.
Pretty much how I feel. They let us keep what we already had and would likely have been upheld in court. They attacked us.... I'll wait till I see One DND, the new OGL and if anything happens to leadership. There is a clear disconnect from the community. If they "Free the Wizards"... I'd sub right then and there.
[edit] will see the movie now and if i actually did need to share my content, I would sub without feeling like a poop head. Otherwise Actions, no more words.
I disagree. Sometimes actions have consequences and sometimes "I'm sorry for trying to screw you" isn't enough. Not that I think it's my place to guilt you into subbing or not subbing, but I also kindof think that it's presumptuous of you to tell other people to "get over it" and get back on the payment plan before Wizards can realize that saying "I'm sorry" isn't a magic wand. They went down this road with the full knowledge that people would be upset. They were abusive; They were greedy and were willing to trade our loyalty for complete ownership of the TTRPG and VTT space. They should not expect anyone they lost to re-sub, and, anyone who does should be welcomed back like a king returning to his kingdom. Right now, if they want subs back, they should be running "I'm sorry specials" that make black friday/cyber monday look like grocery store coupons and striking deals with the companies like Paizo, foundry and Kobold press. You know, the major players who they were ACTUALLY threatening.
The moral of the story should be that attempting to monopolize the entire concept of collaborative/interactive storytelling by threatening 3pp was a BAD idea. Thinking that they OWN our loyalty and that they don't need to earn it, every day, by putting out NEW IP and BETTER services, and that they could just squash the competition instead was a BAD idea. I honestly don't think crawling back the second they apologize is sending the right message here. Do you?
My vote, give it 6 months of good behavior. Then, consider it. I think WotC deserves a time out.
Pretty much how I feel. They let us keep what we already had and would likely have been upheld in court. They attacked us.... I'll wait till I see One DND, the new OGL and if anything happens to leadership. There is a clear disconnect from the community. If they "Free the Wizards"... I'd sub right then and there.
[edit] will see the movie now and if i actually did need to share my content, I would sub without feeling like a poop head. Otherwise Actions, no more words.
I disagree. Sometimes actions have consequences and sometimes "I'm sorry for trying to screw you" isn't enough. Not that I think it's my place to guilt you into subbing or not subbing, but I also kindof think that it's presumptuous of you to tell other people to "get over it" and get back on the payment plan before Wizards can realize that saying "I'm sorry" isn't a magic wand. They went down this road with the full knowledge that people would be upset. They were abusive; They were greedy and were willing to trade our loyalty for complete ownership of the TTRPG and VTT space. They should not expect anyone they lost to re-sub, and, anyone who does should be welcomed back like a king returning to his kingdom. Right now, if they want subs back, they should be running "I'm sorry specials" that make black friday/cyber monday look like grocery store coupons and striking deals with the companies like Paizo, foundry and Kobold press. You know, the major players who they were ACTUALLY threatening.
The moral of the story should be that attempting to monopolize the entire concept of collaborative/interactive storytelling by threatening 3pp was a BAD idea. Thinking that they OWN our loyalty and that they don't need to earn it, every day, by putting out NEW IP and BETTER services, and that they could just squash the competition instead was a BAD idea. I honestly don't think crawling back the second they apologize is sending the right message here. Do you?
My vote, give it 6 months of good behavior. Then, consider it. I think WotC deserves a time out.
Agree with this sentiment, we can do without any more drama and WotC need to show us that they are continuing to move in the right direction. I think putting the OneDnD project on hold and demonstrating a significant investment in future 5E material would be a good sign. They should invest considerable time in working out what the community really wants.
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Fellow Gamers
Like many of you, I demonstrated my concerns and disappointment with Wizards of the Coast by terminating my subscription to D&D Beyond, cancelling my planned purchases of WotC products (both D&D and MtG) and exploring other games/systems for use in future campaigns with my group, all based on the assumption that WotC would continue moving D&D in a direction that I refused to accept. With the announcement, earlier this week, that WotC would NOT be moving forward with the attempted deauthorization of OGL 1.0(a) and the prohibition of high-functioning non-WotC VTTs, as well as the posting of the full SRD 5.1 to CC - all things that we believed would have a significant negative impact on both D&D, specifically, and the TTRPG industry, in general, WotC has shown us that - at least for now - they are listening to our feedback and are willing to work towards a mutually beneficial relationship.
Now it's our turn. I fully support gamers engaging with, learning to play, and enjoying a wide variety of RPGs, since many of these games have dynamic and engaging mechanics, compelling narratives and vibrant settings. It is unfortunate that discovery of these fantastic games was driven by a negative experience, but - given what we knew for certain in the previous several weeks - it was necessary. As of now, however, WotC has given us everything we asked for, and it is not unreasonable for us to take a few steps back towards the relationship we enjoyed before this all started. Yes, WotC has damaged their reputation with the community, and it will likely be some time before we begin to feel that we can trust the company again. But if we refuse to take this crucial step, we are sending WotC the wrong message.
We wanted WotC to refrain from implementing the VTT Policy, that they retain OGL 1.0(a), and that they support Open Gaming --- they wanted us to restart our D&D Beyond subscriptions and to play and enjoy D&D. They gave us what we wanted, and it's not unreasonable for us to do the same.
If we, as players, continue to direct our complete focus toward other games and do not reinstate our D&D Beyond subscriptions, we are telling WotC that it doesn't matter if they listen to what we say we want. That there's no point in keeping a business strategy that helps to support competitive products, if that doesn't ultimately benefit them by ensuring D&D is the most popular and most played RPG. Because they've released SRD 5.1 under CC, 5e will forever be Open Gaming content. But, if we want OneD&D/6e to follow in that mutually beneficial direction, we need to show the senior leadership at WotC that, by giving us what we ask for, they will ultimately benefit.
Just something to think about...
Well, I think these posts don't make sense. Everyone will know what he has to do, if he wants to continue playing D&D or switch to other systems, etc...
And yes, what we have to do now is move forward. Forget about all this mess, and let things calm down. I think what we all want is to play role-playing and have fun, not be a bunch of fuss on social networks etc... Well, maybe I'm being overly optimistic about that. But at least that's what I want.
In any case, it is best to turn the page and have everyone have fun with the game they want.
For my part, I am going to continue playing D&D, just like I play many other systems.
The truth is that for me all this that has happened in recent weeks has been very unpleasant. All conversations revolved around the OGL. And there was nothing but noise, noise and noise. Now we have to move on.
I disagree. Sometimes actions have consequences and sometimes "I'm sorry for trying to screw you" isn't enough. Not that I think it's my place to guilt you into subbing or not subbing, but I also kindof think that it's presumptuous of you to tell other people to "get over it" and get back on the payment plan before Wizards can realize that saying "I'm sorry" isn't a magic wand. They went down this road with the full knowledge that people would be upset. They were abusive; They were greedy and were willing to trade our loyalty for complete ownership of the TTRPG and VTT space. They should not expect anyone they lost to re-sub, and, anyone who does should be welcomed back like a king returning to his kingdom. Right now, if they want subs back, they should be running "I'm sorry specials" that make black friday/cyber monday look like grocery store coupons and striking deals with the companies like Paizo, foundry and Kobold press. You know, the major players who they were ACTUALLY threatening.
The moral of the story should be that attempting to monopolize the entire concept of collaborative/interactive storytelling by threatening 3pp was a BAD idea. Thinking that they OWN our loyalty and that they don't need to earn it, every day, by putting out NEW IP and BETTER services, and that they could just squash the competition instead was a BAD idea. I honestly don't think crawling back the second they apologize is sending the right message here. Do you?
My vote, give it 6 months of good behavior. Then, consider it. I think WotC deserves a time out.
Pretty much how I feel. They let us keep what we already had and would likely have been upheld in court. They attacked us.... I'll wait till I see One DND, the new OGL and if anything happens to leadership. There is a clear disconnect from the community. If they "Free the Wizards"... I'd sub right then and there.
[edit] will see the movie now and if i actually did need to share my content, I would sub without feeling like a poop head. Otherwise Actions, no more words.
Agree with this sentiment, we can do without any more drama and WotC need to show us that they are continuing to move in the right direction. I think putting the OneDnD project on hold and demonstrating a significant investment in future 5E material would be a good sign. They should invest considerable time in working out what the community really wants.