When the 2024 player handbook is released and i can create new chars using the new class rules, will dnd beyond support OOTB subclasses from Tasha or Xanathar, including level conversion / matching to adhere to the new 2024 class progression rules?
E.g. will I be able to create a 2024 handbook Sorcerer and use OOTB within the app the Divine subclass at level 3? (assuming I bought both content)
will be so sad if they do not support it. will render older purchases obsolete. and thus, why buy new books on dnd beyond in the future.
It won't render them obsolete. The videos have spoke to how it's possible to take 2014 subclasses into 2024 classes, but the fact is it's not going to be super seamless. There are certain things/features that just won't work and I expect most people are just looking for it to be a three click solution. I sincerely doubt it will be.
According to the videos the 2024 PHB will have guidelines to convert older not updated subclasses to the new class chassis. Most people will do this on Pen & Paper, with adjusments when necessary.
The easiest way is just to get the same subclass features in order, on the 2024 subclass feature levels, and all of the 1st and 2nd lvl features move to 3rd. This should work on 99% of subclasses (Cleric has a different take but is obvious to work it).
On Beyond, one can just assume they might develop a way to port the not updated subclass as is to the new chassis (Not that complicated of a function as other possible solutions, but that depends on how things are structured), but it might not be available at release, check the announcement forums maybe.
On the other hand, the homebrew tools in beyond for 2024 chassis might be available on release, so creating the subclass there for your use is actually quite simple (same as pen and paper, works in beyond and wherever vtt you play) and should work exactly the same as it is today (just copy paste feature to feature, ive done it for personal use for non-beyond content we had available).
Agreed. I believe I heard them say that the cleric has a 2014 subclass that has restrictions when using it for the 2024 class.
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
I am glad the community here has faith they will take care of it.
Imagine they do not, and then the whole point of a digital assistant is going down the drain. To let us do it on our own via our own custom sub classes will be a big mistake, and will drive away a lot of subs.
Anyway, as long as they are able to give me my Divine Sorcerer I am fine. I am disappointed enough for nerfing twin spell and for forcing me into level 3 cleric to get Disciple of Life. Not a big 2024 handbook fan already.
I am glad the community here has faith they will take care of it.
Imagine they do not, and then the whole point of a digital assistant is going down the drain. To let us do it on our own via our own custom sub classes will be a big mistake, and will drive away a lot of subs.
Even if that happens, it's not like the software is static, it's a live service. They'll make improvements over time. Patience is a great quality to learn in all of life's endeavors, leisure most of all.
Agreed. I believe I heard them say that the cleric has a 2014 subclass that has restrictions when using it for the 2024 class.
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
That sounds rather less completely backwards compatible....
I am glad the community here has faith they will take care of it.
Imagine they do not, and then the whole point of a digital assistant is going down the drain. To let us do it on our own via our own custom sub classes will be a big mistake, and will drive away a lot of subs.
Anyway, as long as they are able to give me my Divine Sorcerer I am fine. I am disappointed enough for nerfing twin spell and for forcing me into level 3 cleric to get Disciple of Life. Not a big 2024 handbook fan already.
I have faith the 2024 options will work because the fact is you're just building new classes that are locked into a new source.
I have faith that people are going to be able to then take those classes and homebrew alternative subclasses because that is how the homebrew system works now. You can't homebrew an entirely new class, but you can create a bloody monstrosity of a subclass if you really want.
I do not have faith that they will hodgepodge literal dozens of what will be legacy subclasses into the new classes and give that away as free content. Why? It's then free content.
Agreed. I believe I heard them say that the cleric has a 2014 subclass that has restrictions when using it for the 2024 class.
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
That sounds rather less completely backwards compatible....
All Crawford said in the video is if somehow you are integrating the 2014 content into 2024 content and you came into a scenario where a feature was duplicated that gave you a choice, you do not then get the option to get the 2nd choice. They then used Cleric as an example, because Divine Strikes/Potent Spellcasting was a subclass feature and is now a main class feature. He went on to say that you couldn't use the 2024 option to get Divine Strikes and then the 2014 subclass feature to get Potent Spellcasting. Once you were locked in, you were locked in.
It's still backwards compatible. Watch the video and you'd see.
Agreed. I believe I heard them say that the cleric has a 2014 subclass that has restrictions when using it for the 2024 class.
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
That sounds rather less completely backwards compatible....
All Crawford said in the video is if somehow you are integrating the 2014 content into 2024 content and you came into a scenario where a feature was duplicated that gave you a choice, you do not then get the option to get the 2nd choice. They then used Cleric as an example, because Divine Strikes/Potent Spellcasting was a subclass feature and is now a main class feature. He went on to say that you couldn't use the 2024 option to get Divine Strikes and then the 2014 subclass feature to get Potent Spellcasting. Once you were locked in, you were locked in.
It's still backwards compatible. Watch the video and you'd see.
If you cannot use 2014 subclasses with 2024 classes to which they otherwise relate, that seems less backwardly compatible. I said "less completely" rather than "not at all."
Agreed. I believe I heard them say that the cleric has a 2014 subclass that has restrictions when using it for the 2024 class.
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
That sounds rather less completely backwards compatible....
All Crawford said in the video is if somehow you are integrating the 2014 content into 2024 content and you came into a scenario where a feature was duplicated that gave you a choice, you do not then get the option to get the 2nd choice. They then used Cleric as an example, because Divine Strikes/Potent Spellcasting was a subclass feature and is now a main class feature. He went on to say that you couldn't use the 2024 option to get Divine Strikes and then the 2014 subclass feature to get Potent Spellcasting. Once you were locked in, you were locked in.
It's still backwards compatible. Watch the video and you'd see.
If you cannot use 2014 subclasses with 2024 classes to which they otherwise relate, that seems less backwardly compatible. I said "less completely" rather than "not at all."
You can still use it and it's still the same level of compatible. You aren't losing any features that were intended for that subclass, because they are now baked into the main class.
If you cannot use 2014 subclasses with 2024 classes to which they otherwise relate, that seems less backwardly compatible. I said "less completely" rather than "not at all."
Agreed. I believe I heard them say that the cleric has a 2014 subclass that has restrictions when using it for the 2024 class.
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
That sounds rather less completely backwards compatible....
How so? Every cleric subclass still gets their choice of bonus attack damage or bonus cantrip damage, just like they do in Tasha's. It's just part of the base class now.
I do not have faith that they will hodgepodge literal dozens of what will be legacy subclasses into the new classes and give that away as free content. Why? It's then free content.
Free? What are you talking about?! The whole thread is based on the premise you bought it already in the past, and about it not becoming irrelevant within the digital ecosystem that is dnd beyond. If it was bought and integrated prior to the 2024 hb and is now not usable, it is hence broken.
If you cannot use 2014 subclasses with 2024 classes to which they otherwise relate, that seems less backwardly compatible. I said "less completely" rather than "not at all."
Agreed. I believe I heard them say that the cleric has a 2014 subclass that has restrictions when using it for the 2024 class.
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
That sounds rather less completely backwards compatible....
How so? Every cleric subclass still gets their choice of bonus attack damage or bonus cantrip damage, just like they do in Tasha's. It's just part of the base class now.
Based on that logic, since one can adapt even features from 1e to 5e (particularly spells, many of which have very similar wordings from their original 1e versions and thus would be easy to adapt backwards to 1e), it is and always has been backwards compatible.
Based on that logic, since one can adapt even features from 1e to 5e (particularly spells, many of which have very similar wordings from their original 1e versions and thus would be easy to adapt backwards to 1e), it is and always has been backwards compatible.
But that is not the normal definition.
Blessed Strikes is a baseline cleric ability now = everything all the way back to 1e is on the table? Want to take another swing at that "logic?"
Based on that logic, since one can adapt even features from 1e to 5e (particularly spells, many of which have very similar wordings from their original 1e versions and thus would be easy to adapt backwards to 1e), it is and always has been backwards compatible.
But that is not the normal definition.
Blessed Strikes is a baseline cleric ability now = everything all the way back to 1e is on the table? Want to take another swing at that "logic?"
We are talking about incompatibilities between the 2014 and 2024 rulesets. 'There are some things that are compatible' is not a counter-argument to incompatibilities. I was pointing out that there being some things that are compatible does not, in and of itself, equate to being meaningfully backwards compatible.
My 5e/1e example was not saying that is anything that should be expected, just that if one takes too wide a definition of 'backwards compatible' then 5e is backwards compatible even with 1e. That no one is making the argument that it is backwards compatible with 1e nor thinks of it being that way is my point, namely that the definition being used for 2024 vs 2014 is similarly in question as to how widely it is being taken.
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When the 2024 player handbook is released and i can create new chars using the new class rules, will dnd beyond support OOTB subclasses from Tasha or Xanathar, including level conversion / matching to adhere to the new 2024 class progression rules?
E.g. will I be able to create a 2024 handbook Sorcerer and use OOTB within the app the Divine subclass at level 3? (assuming I bought both content)
Unfortunately, the answer is “we don’t know yet”.
There are a number of questions about implementation of the 2034 update on D&DB that the staff haven’t yet been in a position to answer.
Worse case scenario, you can use the homebrew tools in Beyond to create the old subclass in the new chassis.
We don't know that yet.
will be so sad if they do not support it. will render older purchases obsolete. and thus, why buy new digital books on dnd beyond in the future.
It won't render them obsolete. The videos have spoke to how it's possible to take 2014 subclasses into 2024 classes, but the fact is it's not going to be super seamless. There are certain things/features that just won't work and I expect most people are just looking for it to be a three click solution. I sincerely doubt it will be.
What i mean is,
According to the videos the 2024 PHB will have guidelines to convert older not updated subclasses to the new class chassis. Most people will do this on Pen & Paper, with adjusments when necessary.
The easiest way is just to get the same subclass features in order, on the 2024 subclass feature levels, and all of the 1st and 2nd lvl features move to 3rd. This should work on 99% of subclasses (Cleric has a different take but is obvious to work it).
On Beyond, one can just assume they might develop a way to port the not updated subclass as is to the new chassis (Not that complicated of a function as other possible solutions, but that depends on how things are structured), but it might not be available at release, check the announcement forums maybe.
On the other hand, the homebrew tools in beyond for 2024 chassis might be available on release, so creating the subclass there for your use is actually quite simple (same as pen and paper, works in beyond and wherever vtt you play) and should work exactly the same as it is today (just copy paste feature to feature, ive done it for personal use for non-beyond content we had available).
IIRC the specific example they mentioned was that they don't want Cleric players to think they can double-dip on e.g. Blessed Strikes in the 2024 base class + Divine Strike from a 2014 subclass like Death or Tempest. So that's something the character builder will need to take into account.
I am glad the community here has faith they will take care of it.
Imagine they do not, and then the whole point of a digital assistant is going down the drain. To let us do it on our own via our own custom sub classes will be a big mistake, and will drive away a lot of subs.
Anyway, as long as they are able to give me my Divine Sorcerer I am fine. I am disappointed enough for nerfing twin spell and for forcing me into level 3 cleric to get Disciple of Life. Not a big 2024 handbook fan already.
Even if that happens, it's not like the software is static, it's a live service. They'll make improvements over time. Patience is a great quality to learn in all of life's endeavors, leisure most of all.
Np!
That sounds rather less completely backwards compatible....
I have faith the 2024 options will work because the fact is you're just building new classes that are locked into a new source.
I have faith that people are going to be able to then take those classes and homebrew alternative subclasses because that is how the homebrew system works now. You can't homebrew an entirely new class, but you can create a bloody monstrosity of a subclass if you really want.
I do not have faith that they will hodgepodge literal dozens of what will be legacy subclasses into the new classes and give that away as free content. Why? It's then free content.
All Crawford said in the video is if somehow you are integrating the 2014 content into 2024 content and you came into a scenario where a feature was duplicated that gave you a choice, you do not then get the option to get the 2nd choice. They then used Cleric as an example, because Divine Strikes/Potent Spellcasting was a subclass feature and is now a main class feature. He went on to say that you couldn't use the 2024 option to get Divine Strikes and then the 2014 subclass feature to get Potent Spellcasting. Once you were locked in, you were locked in.
It's still backwards compatible. Watch the video and you'd see.
If you cannot use 2014 subclasses with 2024 classes to which they otherwise relate, that seems less backwardly compatible. I said "less completely" rather than "not at all."
You can still use it and it's still the same level of compatible. You aren't losing any features that were intended for that subclass, because they are now baked into the main class.
"Cannot use?" What are you talking about?
How so? Every cleric subclass still gets their choice of bonus attack damage or bonus cantrip damage, just like they do in Tasha's. It's just part of the base class now.
Free? What are you talking about?! The whole thread is based on the premise you bought it already in the past, and about it not becoming irrelevant within the digital ecosystem that is dnd beyond. If it was bought and integrated prior to the 2024 hb and is now not usable, it is hence broken.
Based on that logic, since one can adapt even features from 1e to 5e (particularly spells, many of which have very similar wordings from their original 1e versions and thus would be easy to adapt backwards to 1e), it is and always has been backwards compatible.
But that is not the normal definition.
Blessed Strikes is a baseline cleric ability now = everything all the way back to 1e is on the table? Want to take another swing at that "logic?"
We are talking about incompatibilities between the 2014 and 2024 rulesets. 'There are some things that are compatible' is not a counter-argument to incompatibilities. I was pointing out that there being some things that are compatible does not, in and of itself, equate to being meaningfully backwards compatible.
My 5e/1e example was not saying that is anything that should be expected, just that if one takes too wide a definition of 'backwards compatible' then 5e is backwards compatible even with 1e. That no one is making the argument that it is backwards compatible with 1e nor thinks of it being that way is my point, namely that the definition being used for 2024 vs 2014 is similarly in question as to how widely it is being taken.