Yeah, they do. It's small rule changes. All the core parts of the system: advantage, the action economy, how you attack, how you cast a spell, how you do a skill check, etc. Those are all unchanged.
You mean like between 1e and 2e?
Action economy with the same. Casting a spell was the same. Ability checks were the same. Attacking was largely the same in the overwhelming majority of cases.
And, again, D&D tends to be an exception with how big its edition changes are. Call of Cthulhu is on its 7th Edition, and all the core mechanics are largely the same across all editions.
5e24 has different conditions. Spells have been redesigned. Backgrounds wholely altered. Classes and races species wholly different. Feats redesigned. Spellcasting tweaked, with how many spells you can cast and a new area of effect (Emanation). The action economy has been tweaked with new actions (Magic action) and how certain sub-attacks work. Crafting has been tweaked. Inspiration rewritten. Weapon mastery.
If it was the exact same edition, you could use the content in the 2024 PHB in a game using the 2014 rules as easily as you could use content from Tasha's Cauldron.
Yeah, they do. It's small rule changes. All the core parts of the system: advantage, the action economy, how you attack, how you cast a spell, how you do a skill check, etc. Those are all unchanged.
You mean like between 1e and 2e?
Action economy with the same. Casting a spell was the same. Ability checks were the same. Attacking was largely the same in the overwhelming majority of cases.
And, again, D&D tends to be an exception with how big its edition changes are. Call of Cthulhu is on its 7th Edition, and all the core mechanics are largely the same across all editions.
5e24 has different conditions. Spells have been redesigned. Backgrounds wholely altered. Classes and races species wholly different. Feats redesigned. Spellcasting tweaked, with how many spells you can cast and a new area of effect (Emanation). The action economy has been tweaked with new actions (Magic action) and how certain sub-attacks work. Crafting has been tweaked. Inspiration rewritten. Weapon mastery.
If it was the exact same edition, you could use the content in the 2024 PHB in a game using the 2014 rules as easily as you could use content from Tasha's Cauldron.
"Attaching was largely the same" well 1st edition had some clarity issues fixed in 1st AD&D and were carried to 2nd ed. Remember d20s were not yet common in the late 70s, and early 80s. So some of the wording and use of d20s was wonky at best, and downright confusing most of the time. Fortunately all the reprints of 1st ed had the 2nd ed rewording so I doubt you will see this glory without buying a 1st print 1st edition PHB & DMG.
I own both, and ugh they were annoyingly poorly written.
It's not revisionism. It's differences of opinion.
If adventure modules and supplements said on their covers these were compatible with both AD&D and AD&D 2nd. Edition then yes I would call it revisionism to act now as if these two editions were so drastically different. I played during the lifecycles of both of those editions. And suggesting something as insignificant as Comeliness—something that appeared in more than just Unearthed Arcana and in a number of supplements for both AD&D and 2nd. Edition AD&D and could so easily be disregarded—somehow "invalidated" all that had come before is not only revisionist but is also dishonest. What you are doing is not expressing an "opinion." You are making things up.
Is it not differences of opinion on display in these threads in which people are getting all worked up when some of us insist the changes between the 2014 and 2024 rulesets are significant enough to call these different editions?
I think the only thing that matters here is what WotC calls it. We can argue left or right, but in the end their verbiage is going to be the ruling verbiage.
That being said, my main reason for playing these games is to spend time with friends in a shared space. I'm certainly not going to hold my friend accountable for using a term that doesn't toe the corporate line. Call it edition, upgrade, 5E2024 ... I'm still going to love you.
I think the only thing that matters here is what WotC calls it. We can argue left or right, but in the end their verbiage is going to be the ruling verbiage.
That being said, my main reason for playing these games is to spend time with friends in a shared space. I'm certainly not going to hold my friend accountable for using a term that doesn't toe the corporate line. Call it edition, upgrade, 5E2024 ... I'm still going to love you.
Let's go get some tacos!
I overall agree with you here. I would point out however that Wizards of the Coast were not the first to refer to 5th. Edition as "5E." But players overwhelmingly use that term. It is going to be players and whether or not they discover the differences between the 2014 and 2024 rulesets cause enough grief at their tables that will ultimately decide what the latter is getting called. Don't underestimate the power and influence of players when it comes to these things.
Does anyone remember if 3.5 was promoted as 3.5 when it was first announced? Or was it something like "3e revised"? Searching online brings me conflicting results. I know at least eventually WotC did publish books explicitly labeled as 3.5e but I don't know if those came later.
I think the only thing that matters here is what WotC calls it. We can argue left or right, but in the end their verbiage is going to be the ruling verbiage.
That being said, my main reason for playing these games is to spend time with friends in a shared space. I'm certainly not going to hold my friend accountable for using a term that doesn't toe the corporate line. Call it edition, upgrade, 5E2024 ... I'm still going to love you.
Let's go get some tacos!
I overall agree with you here. I would point out however that Wizards of the Coast were not the first to refer to 5th. Edition as "5E." But players overwhelmingly use that term. It is going to be players and whether or not they discover the differences between the 2014 and 2024 rulesets cause enough grief at their tables that will ultimately decide what the latter is getting called. Don't underestimate the power and influence of players when it comes to these things.
I have a first printing of the 2014 PHB. On the back cover, it has the sentence. “When you’re ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition Dungeon Master’s Guide and Monster Manual.
But I definitely agree with Tyger Dave. People are getting so hung up on labels. Why? Just play the game. Use whichever version you like, kitbash them together. Play 1e. Whatever you like. Just go and have fun and stop getting bent out of shape about what number to hang on it.
Does anyone remember if 3.5 was promoted as 3.5 when it was first announced? Or was it something like "3e revised"? Searching online brings me conflicting results. I know at least eventually WotC did publish books explicitly labeled as 3.5e but I don't know if those came later.
All I can say with absolute clarity is the book has a big "Core Rulebook 1 v. 3.5" graphic on the cover. I was in Army during 3/3.5 and this is around the era of 9/11. I had other things than D&D to focus on, so I missed most of 3rd Editon gameplay.
Does anyone remember if 3.5 was promoted as 3.5 when it was first announced? Or was it something like "3e revised"? Searching online brings me conflicting results. I know at least eventually WotC did publish books explicitly labeled as 3.5e but I don't know if those came later.
Besides the rollout being clear with 3.5, they also did a few print ads for it. But the reality is, it wasn't until 4th edition did WotC do any real Ad budget on D&D. From 1997 until 2007 they kind of only did in store ads and game magazine ads. 4th edition gave us those real amazing animationed shorts advertising 4th edition and some of the changes ie tieflings as a core race, and gnomes as a monster "Rawr"
I have a first printing of the 2014 PHB. On the back cover, it has the sentence. “When you’re ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition Dungeon Master’s Guide and Monster Manual.
But I definitely agree with Tyger Dave. People are getting so hung up on labels. Why? Just play the game. Use whichever version you like, kitbash them together. Play 1e. Whatever you like. Just go and have fun and stop getting bent out of shape about what number to hang on it.
Yes the game was identified as the fifth edition of the game. I am talking about the nomenclature "5E." That shorthand was not invented by Wizards of the Coast. It was players and third-party publishers who would popularize the term. It is going to be them who popularize what the 2024 ruleset is going to be known as. 2024 D&D? The 50th anniversary edition? 5.5? Only time will tell. But I assure you it ain't just going to get called "D&D" by the broader community. Too many of us in the hobby use "D&D" to describe any game that resembles D&D. And not just different editions of the game.
But you're right. When it really comes down to it it doesn't really matter what we call it. Or any other edition. It's D&D. And we play whatever works for us and our groups.
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You mean like between 1e and 2e?
Action economy with the same. Casting a spell was the same. Ability checks were the same. Attacking was largely the same in the overwhelming majority of cases.
And, again, D&D tends to be an exception with how big its edition changes are. Call of Cthulhu is on its 7th Edition, and all the core mechanics are largely the same across all editions.
5e24 has different conditions. Spells have been redesigned. Backgrounds wholely altered. Classes and
racesspecies wholly different. Feats redesigned. Spellcasting tweaked, with how many spells you can cast and a new area of effect (Emanation). The action economy has been tweaked with new actions (Magic action) and how certain sub-attacks work. Crafting has been tweaked. Inspiration rewritten. Weapon mastery.If it was the exact same edition, you could use the content in the 2024 PHB in a game using the 2014 rules as easily as you could use content from Tasha's Cauldron.
"Attaching was largely the same" well 1st edition had some clarity issues fixed in 1st AD&D and were carried to 2nd ed. Remember d20s were not yet common in the late 70s, and early 80s. So some of the wording and use of d20s was wonky at best, and downright confusing most of the time. Fortunately all the reprints of 1st ed had the 2nd ed rewording so I doubt you will see this glory without buying a 1st print 1st edition PHB & DMG.
I own both, and ugh they were annoyingly poorly written.
If adventure modules and supplements said on their covers these were compatible with both AD&D and AD&D 2nd. Edition then yes I would call it revisionism to act now as if these two editions were so drastically different. I played during the lifecycles of both of those editions. And suggesting something as insignificant as Comeliness—something that appeared in more than just Unearthed Arcana and in a number of supplements for both AD&D and 2nd. Edition AD&D and could so easily be disregarded—somehow "invalidated" all that had come before is not only revisionist but is also dishonest. What you are doing is not expressing an "opinion." You are making things up.
Is it not differences of opinion on display in these threads in which people are getting all worked up when some of us insist the changes between the 2014 and 2024 rulesets are significant enough to call these different editions?
I think the only thing that matters here is what WotC calls it. We can argue left or right, but in the end their verbiage is going to be the ruling verbiage.
That being said, my main reason for playing these games is to spend time with friends in a shared space. I'm certainly not going to hold my friend accountable for using a term that doesn't toe the corporate line. Call it edition, upgrade, 5E2024 ... I'm still going to love you.
Let's go get some tacos!
I overall agree with you here. I would point out however that Wizards of the Coast were not the first to refer to 5th. Edition as "5E." But players overwhelmingly use that term. It is going to be players and whether or not they discover the differences between the 2014 and 2024 rulesets cause enough grief at their tables that will ultimately decide what the latter is getting called. Don't underestimate the power and influence of players when it comes to these things.
Does anyone remember if 3.5 was promoted as 3.5 when it was first announced? Or was it something like "3e revised"? Searching online brings me conflicting results. I know at least eventually WotC did publish books explicitly labeled as 3.5e but I don't know if those came later.
I have a first printing of the 2014 PHB. On the back cover, it has the sentence. “When you’re ready for even more, expand your adventures with the fifth edition Dungeon Master’s Guide and Monster Manual.
But I definitely agree with Tyger Dave. People are getting so hung up on labels. Why? Just play the game. Use whichever version you like, kitbash them together. Play 1e. Whatever you like. Just go and have fun and stop getting bent out of shape about what number to hang on it.
All I can say with absolute clarity is the book has a big "Core Rulebook 1 v. 3.5" graphic on the cover. I was in Army during 3/3.5 and this is around the era of 9/11. I had other things than D&D to focus on, so I missed most of 3rd Editon gameplay.
Besides the rollout being clear with 3.5, they also did a few print ads for it. But the reality is, it wasn't until 4th edition did WotC do any real Ad budget on D&D. From 1997 until 2007 they kind of only did in store ads and game magazine ads. 4th edition gave us those real amazing animationed shorts advertising 4th edition and some of the changes ie tieflings as a core race, and gnomes as a monster "Rawr"
Yes the game was identified as the fifth edition of the game. I am talking about the nomenclature "5E." That shorthand was not invented by Wizards of the Coast. It was players and third-party publishers who would popularize the term. It is going to be them who popularize what the 2024 ruleset is going to be known as. 2024 D&D? The 50th anniversary edition? 5.5? Only time will tell. But I assure you it ain't just going to get called "D&D" by the broader community. Too many of us in the hobby use "D&D" to describe any game that resembles D&D. And not just different editions of the game.
But you're right. When it really comes down to it it doesn't really matter what we call it. Or any other edition. It's D&D. And we play whatever works for us and our groups.