Is a drive to work part of daily preparations? Because raw this would coincide with daily preparations, which occur after a long rest, but before adventuring
So is the drive to the donut shop to meet the party before an adventure part of daily preparations? Or does stumbling down the stairs of the inn to start plans with the party, while eating breakfast, post rest and therefore an exploration activity? If you roll initiative to see who gets breakfast first, does that interrupt the rest period?
Yeah, so the poll results are in and 90% of people say a Short Rest does not allow riding a galloping horse for an hour, running a marathon, or building a barn.
A Long Rest is a period of extended downtime—at least 8 hours—available to any creature. During a Long Rest, you sleep for at least 6 hours and perform no more than 2 hours of light activity, such as reading, talking, eating, or standing watch.
If you're all staying at an inn, you can probably walk downstairs and be fine.
However, at level 5, each character can start building bastions, home bases, and they arent required to be party-adjacent.
And none of the rules for short or long rest say anything RAW that would indicate you can ride a horse or walk a few miles as part of a Rest.
No where in those does it say you have to have JUST woken up to use the benefits. Its wording is about when you recover the abilities.
And you can give inspiring speeches any time. Using these abilities though you are tapping into something more, likely magical to give a benefit beyond just a rousing speech. Some people are being way to literal.
No where in those does it say you have to have JUST woken up to use the benefits. Its wording is about when you recover the abilities.
They're being (marginally) hyperbolic. The point is, according to the rules as written, you have to do it at the end of a rest. You can't get to a fight, do a rousing speech, and get the benefits.
And you can give inspiring speeches any time. Using these abilities though you are tapping into something more, likely magical to give a benefit beyond just a rousing speech.
Sure. We're talking about the feat and how to get its benefits though...so we're naturally discussing the interaction of the feat, and not whether you can do awesome improv.
Some people are being way to literal.
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Not rules-as-written you can't. or at least not ones from teh Inspiring Leader feat that give temp hp.
RAW, you take a long rest, you sleep for 6 hours, you maybe go downstairs to the kitchen and get some coffee, maybe stroll to the house next door. But if you do anything strenuous that breaks a rest, you cant do either one of these. You can short rest, heal up, eat a goodberry, walk around a campfire, but if you then ride a galloping horse to the front lines, you broke your short rest before you got there, adn can't use these features on the poeple there.
Everyone here seems to be arguing that that the rules shouldnt work that way. ANd I agree, they shouldn't. But they do, RAW. which is why I'm saying the rules need an every so slight tweak
just change the wording to "once per long or short rest" or something.
Not rules-as-written you can't. or at least not ones from teh Inspiring Leader feat that give temp hp.
I literally distinguish between just regular speeches and ones that give bonuses. Which you can give regular inspiring speeches at any time. You just don't get a buff (unless the DM feels it warrants something which would be a house rule). Seems pretty obvious this is a grammatical error, given how short rests work with abilities in the regular rules.
No where in those does it say you have to have JUST woken up to use the benefits. Its wording is about when you recover the abilities.
And you can give inspiring speeches any time. Using these abilities though you are tapping into something more, likely magical to give a benefit beyond just a rousing speech. Some people are being way to literal.
This, for crying out loud. Just use your words and ask your DM: "Hey, even though we would have been riding horses for a while to get here, can I give my Inspiring Speech right before the battle, because it's cooler?"
If your DM is reasonable, they'll say "yes," because you're not asking for anything game-breaking, you're just asking for flavor.
Is a drive to work part of daily preparations? Because raw this would coincide with daily preparations, which occur after a long rest, but before adventuring
So is the drive to the donut shop to meet the party before an adventure part of daily preparations? Or does stumbling down the stairs of the inn to start plans with the party, while eating breakfast, post rest and therefore an exploration activity? If you roll initiative to see who gets breakfast first, does that interrupt the rest period?
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Thats all im trying to do here.
Yeah, so the poll results are in and 90% of people say a Short Rest does not allow riding a galloping horse for an hour, running a marathon, or building a barn.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/forums/dungeons-dragons-discussion/rules-game-mechanics/233681-poll-things-you-can-and-cannot-do-during-a-short
The folks who said all three of those ARE short rests, I have no idea what rules they're reading. It's not RAW and it seems pretty clear its not RAI.
"Is a drive to work part of daily preparations? Because raw this would coincide with daily preparations, "
I don't understand where you are read that "daily preparations" are RAW for the definition of LongRest.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/dnd/phb-2024/rules-glossary#LongRest
Long Rest
A Long Rest is a period of extended downtime—at least 8 hours—available to any creature. During a Long Rest, you sleep for at least 6 hours and perform no more than 2 hours of light activity, such as reading, talking, eating, or standing watch.
If you're all staying at an inn, you can probably walk downstairs and be fine.
However, at level 5, each character can start building bastions, home bases, and they arent required to be party-adjacent.
And none of the rules for short or long rest say anything RAW that would indicate you can ride a horse or walk a few miles as part of a Rest.
No where in those does it say you have to have JUST woken up to use the benefits. Its wording is about when you recover the abilities.
And you can give inspiring speeches any time. Using these abilities though you are tapping into something more, likely magical to give a benefit beyond just a rousing speech.
Some people are being way to literal.
They're being (marginally) hyperbolic. The point is, according to the rules as written, you have to do it at the end of a rest. You can't get to a fight, do a rousing speech, and get the benefits.
Sure. We're talking about the feat and how to get its benefits though...so we're naturally discussing the interaction of the feat, and not whether you can do awesome improv.
Indeed.
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Not rules-as-written you can't. or at least not ones from teh Inspiring Leader feat that give temp hp.
RAW, you take a long rest, you sleep for 6 hours, you maybe go downstairs to the kitchen and get some coffee, maybe stroll to the house next door. But if you do anything strenuous that breaks a rest, you cant do either one of these. You can short rest, heal up, eat a goodberry, walk around a campfire, but if you then ride a galloping horse to the front lines, you broke your short rest before you got there, adn can't use these features on the poeple there.
Everyone here seems to be arguing that that the rules shouldnt work that way. ANd I agree, they shouldn't. But they do, RAW. which is why I'm saying the rules need an every so slight tweak
just change the wording to "once per long or short rest" or something.
I literally distinguish between just regular speeches and ones that give bonuses. Which you can give regular inspiring speeches at any time. You just don't get a buff (unless the DM feels it warrants something which would be a house rule).
Seems pretty obvious this is a grammatical error, given how short rests work with abilities in the regular rules.
Theoden's speech is a poor example anyway. Using the rules he would only be able to grant 6 people a bonus.
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This, for crying out loud. Just use your words and ask your DM: "Hey, even though we would have been riding horses for a while to get here, can I give my Inspiring Speech right before the battle, because it's cooler?"
If your DM is reasonable, they'll say "yes," because you're not asking for anything game-breaking, you're just asking for flavor.
I think its great that everyone agrees the feats should be once per rest instead of only at the end of a rest as specified in the rules.