i need help, i dont know if this work . so i was building a caracter its a dwarf forge cleric, and i want to know if this money making strategy works you need a cuple things to this to work: - be 7 lvls in cleric (forge) to have the spell fabricate - have a tool proficiency with artisan’s tools (smith’s tools) ( racial as a dwarf) - have a loot of resources (metal) -make a ton of full plate armors, becouse is the more expensive one to sell
this is how it works whit the spell fabricate and supplies you need to fabricate a plate
- the item says
Plate Armor
heavy armor (armor)
AC: 18
Category: Items
Item Rarity: Standard
Stealth: Disadvantage
Weight: 65
so you need to have 65 lb of steel, i was looking for how much cost 1lb of steel and its 4gp so 65 lbs of metal its 325 gps and now you need to use the fabricate spell, it has illimited uses has a forge domain cleric the spell says ;
You convert raw materials into products of the same material. For example, you can fabricate a wooden bridge from a clump of trees, a rope from a patch of hemp, and clothes from flax or wool.
Choose raw materials that you can see within range. You can fabricate a Large or smaller object (contained within a 10-foot cube, or eight connected 5-foot cubes), given a sufficient quantity of raw material. If you are working with metal, stone, or another mineral substance, however, the fabricated object can be no larger than Medium (contained within a single 5-foot cube). The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
Creatures or magic items can’t be created or transmuted by this spell. You also can’t use it to create items that ordinarily require a high degree of craftsmanship, such as jewelry, weapons, glass, or armor, unless you have proficiency with the type of artisan’s tools used to craft such objects.
so its 10 minutes to make a 1.500 gps plate, for only 325 gps, it gives you 1175 gps in ten minutes
in one hour you make 6 plates and you sell it (repet as many times you like) in one hour is 7050 gp for the six of them, 12 hrs of repeting this spell its 84.600 gps my question is ¿IS THIS LEGAL? ¿I BROKE THE GAME? PLEASE DONT NERF
If your gm allows it. Remember, this is not a video game you will probably saturate the market in a day or two doing this. Also note fabricate is not a ritual spell, so you are limited by spell slots as well.
it does not cost an spell slot, becouse is a domain spell
Domain Spells
Each domain has a list of spells that you gain at the cleric levels noted in the domain description. Once you gain a domain spell, you always have it prepared, and it doesn't count against the number of spells you can prepare each day. If you have a domain spell that doesn't appear on the cleric spell list, the spell is nonetheless a cleric spell for you
it does not cost an spell slot, becouse is a domain spell
Domain Spells
Each domain has a list of spells that you gain at the cleric levels noted in the domain description. Once you gain a domain spell, you always have it prepared, and it doesn't count against the number of spells you can prepare each day. If you have a domain spell that doesn't appear on the cleric spell list, the spell is nonetheless a cleric spell for you
That isn't how domain spells work. A level 3 cleric would have the wizard's level 20 feature twice over if it were. To say nothing of the higher levels.
Spell preparation is not spell casting. Casting still takes a slot. A level 7 cleric can cast fabricate twice per day. Which is still significant if the DM allows this.
Even two sets of full plate a day is a nice chunk of money. And as someone else pointed out, there is only a demand for a very limited number of sets of full plate armor. After the first couple of weeks you’d run out of customers enought gold to buy it and a need for it.
Just because you can make something that says it's worth 1500 from a store doesn't mean you'll find an npc willing to buy it for 1500 go either. I think you'd find that after one or two sets of an item that's that high end your buyer will stop being interested and you'll have to travel elsewhere to sell another.
Moving that kind of product would be difficult. Even if you were in a major city how many buyers would there be? It's a good strategy, but if I were the DM I would have a random roll on if there were a buyer, and then how much they are willing to pay.
If the player wasn't operating it like a full time job, which they probably aren't, I would low ball they hell out of them. Then I would probably send some sort of goons after them from the guild of blacksmiths who aren't happy with the saturation of the market.
Actually it could all unravel into a pretty interesting story arc.
Honestly, yes it appears to be something you can do in the game. However, I would discuss it with your GM first, because if you spring this on me, I would refer to the rules with this argument
Choose raw materials that you can see within range. You can fabricate a Large or smaller object (contained within a 10-foot cube, or eight connected 5-foot cubes), given a sufficient quantity of raw material. If you are working with metal, stone, or another mineral substance, however, the fabricated object can be no larger than Medium (contained within a single 5-foot cube). The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
This says if it is metal, stone, or other mineral substances it can be no larger than Medium and within a single 5-foot cube. Which is more than enough to create the armor. However, it does say that you can fabricate a large or smaller object, not objects. I would personally rule that the chest plate, leggings, gloves, and boots are all individual items because armor isn't a onesie.
I would even rule this the same way even if you talked to me first simple to prevent breaking the game.
I don't know about everybody else's world but I don't have too many folks walking around with 1500 gp.
The comments about blacksmith's guild and armor being separate parts are good ones. Especially if the seller of raw materials is also the supplier to the blacksmith's guild.
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Plate armor has a lot of leather holding it all together, straps, etc. Fabricate spells won't create these.
Also pretty sure PHB standard is selling back for 1/2 price. You might find customers to buy a few suits for themselves at full price, but any merchants, etc, looking to resell the armor will likely pay half-price or less.
But, if you have nothing better to do with your time, you could do it.
@DaveTheLost, Why would Fabricate be able to create those? All you would have to do is provide the leather material. Maybe we are reading this line differently "You convert raw materials into products of the same material"?
I assumed you could provide any number of materials if they were required you could convert Fabricate them into another item including those materials. But the last part might be where we differ. I wonder are you reading that it can only be one material? Such as Iron, but not Iron and Leather?
I wanted to mention @mouse0270. You can't provide a cow to Fabricate into leather. There's no raw material for leather that isn't a living creature. Hehe. But I don't see why you couldn't provide hide to make into straps, but... that's kind of a waste of the spell in my opinion. If you're proficient making leather straps wouldn't be difficult.
As to the OP, As most everyone else has said it would be a DM call on the market, available resources, market price etc. In general it's a fine way to make a bit of quick cash but it's still limited by the constraints of the world you DM has created.
Also wanted to add that your creativity and involvement in figuring that out and researching it would be something I'd reward in one of my campaigns. Not saying I'd just hand you a boatload of money but maybe working out a contract with a local merchant who agrees to take X suits of armor over X amount of time. Thus rewarding you for the effort but not being unrealistic in the campaign world.
@BIT_Brian, I guess that would depend on how you define RAW MATERIALS. I don't think RAW could be truer unless it was off a fresh cow. lol
But honestly, I probably wouldn't allow them to use a living creature unless it seemed reasonable to the party. For example, if I was running a darker campaign with evil players I might allow them to do it not because it makes sense, but it makes for a deeper story that weaves into the characters. Because let's be honest as DM were only here to give the players an adventure not to force our views on their idea of an adventure.
I am personally happy to bend the rules if it suits a character and isn't overpowered. Because a fun story is better for both parties.
LOL, yeah, I'm with you on that regarding bending the rules for the sake of the story! Not transmuting creatures is a limitation of the spell, but I'd still consider bending it if there was a fun/good story to go with it :)
Interesting idea, but as mentioned you’d need a DM who is on board with it.
Spell states that quality of item is only as good as quality of raw material. I see “raw iron” as more of pig iron, not forged iron.
So id allow the cleric to make himself or the party some armor, so long as he has the iron and leather working skills. But I don’t think his product would hold a candle to nice forged plate.
Thats just me though. A way to reward the creativity of the player but not allow the munchkinism I keep seeing from people trying to abuse low level spells.
@DaveTheLost, Why would Fabricate be able to create those? All you would have to do is provide the leather material. Maybe we are reading this line differently "You convert raw materials into products of the same material"?
I assumed you could provide any number of materials if they were required you could convert Fabricate them into another item including those materials. But the last part might be where we differ. I wonder are you reading that it can only be one material? Such as Iron, but not Iron and Leather?
I was thinking it would only work on one material per casting. If it can shape multiple materials then it would indeed make one step plate armor.
i need help, i dont know if this work .
so i was building a caracter
its a dwarf forge cleric, and i want to know if this money making strategy works
you need a cuple things to this to work:
- be 7 lvls in cleric (forge) to have the spell fabricate
- have a tool proficiency with artisan’s tools (smith’s tools) ( racial as a dwarf)
- have a loot of resources (metal)
-make a ton of full plate armors, becouse is the more expensive one to sell
this is how it works
whit the spell fabricate and supplies you need to fabricate a plate
- the item says
Plate Armor
so you need to have 65 lb of steel, i was looking for how much cost 1lb of steel and its 4gp
so 65 lbs of metal its 325 gps and now you need to use the fabricate spell, it has illimited uses has a forge domain cleric
the spell says ;
Fabricate
4th-level transmutation
Casting Time: 10 minutes
Range: 120 feet
Components: V, S
Duration: Instantaneous
You convert raw materials into products of the same material. For example, you can fabricate a wooden bridge from a clump of trees, a rope from a patch of hemp, and clothes from flax or wool.
Choose raw materials that you can see within range. You can fabricate a Large or smaller object (contained within a 10-foot cube, or eight connected 5-foot cubes), given a sufficient quantity of raw material. If you are working with metal, stone, or another mineral substance, however, the fabricated object can be no larger than Medium (contained within a single 5-foot cube). The quality of objects made by the spell is commensurate with the quality of the raw materials.
Creatures or magic items can’t be created or transmuted by this spell. You also can’t use it to create items that ordinarily require a high degree of craftsmanship, such as jewelry, weapons, glass, or armor, unless you have proficiency with the type of artisan’s tools used to craft such objects.
in one hour you make 6 plates and you sell it (repet as many times you like)so its 10 minutes to make a 1.500 gps plate, for only 325 gps, it gives you 1175 gps in ten minutes
in one hour is 7050 gp for the six of them, 12 hrs of repeting this spell its 84.600 gps
my question is
¿IS THIS LEGAL? ¿I BROKE THE GAME? PLEASE DONT NERF
If your gm allows it. Remember, this is not a video game you will probably saturate the market in a day or two doing this. Also note fabricate is not a ritual spell, so you are limited by spell slots as well.
it does not cost an spell slot, becouse is a domain spell
Domain Spells
Each domain has a list of spells that you gain at the cleric levels noted in the domain description. Once you gain a domain spell, you always have it prepared, and it doesn't count against the number of spells you can prepare each day. If you have a domain spell that doesn't appear on the cleric spell list, the spell is nonetheless a cleric spell for you
Domain spells still use up spell slots =)
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That isn't how domain spells work. A level 3 cleric would have the wizard's level 20 feature twice over if it were. To say nothing of the higher levels.
Spell preparation is not spell casting. Casting still takes a slot. A level 7 cleric can cast fabricate twice per day. Which is still significant if the DM allows this.
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Even two sets of full plate a day is a nice chunk of money. And as someone else pointed out, there is only a demand for a very limited number of sets of full plate armor. After the first couple of weeks you’d run out of customers enought gold to buy it and a need for it.
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Just because you can make something that says it's worth 1500 from a store doesn't mean you'll find an npc willing to buy it for 1500 go either. I think you'd find that after one or two sets of an item that's that high end your buyer will stop being interested and you'll have to travel elsewhere to sell another.
Moving that kind of product would be difficult. Even if you were in a major city how many buyers would there be? It's a good strategy, but if I were the DM I would have a random roll on if there were a buyer, and then how much they are willing to pay.
If the player wasn't operating it like a full time job, which they probably aren't, I would low ball they hell out of them. Then I would probably send some sort of goons after them from the guild of blacksmiths who aren't happy with the saturation of the market.
Actually it could all unravel into a pretty interesting story arc.
Honestly, yes it appears to be something you can do in the game. However, I would discuss it with your GM first, because if you spring this on me, I would refer to the rules with this argument
This says if it is metal, stone, or other mineral substances it can be no larger than Medium and within a single 5-foot cube. Which is more than enough to create the armor. However, it does say that you can fabricate a large or smaller object, not objects. I would personally rule that the chest plate, leggings, gloves, and boots are all individual items because armor isn't a onesie.
I would even rule this the same way even if you talked to me first simple to prevent breaking the game.
I don't know about everybody else's world but I don't have too many folks walking around with 1500 gp.
The comments about blacksmith's guild and armor being separate parts are good ones. Especially if the seller of raw materials is also the supplier to the blacksmith's guild.
"Sooner or later, your Players are going to smash your railroad into a sandbox."
-Vedexent
"real life is a super high CR."
-OboeLauren
"............anybody got any potatoes? We could drop a potato in each hole an' see which ones get viciously mauled by horrible monsters?"
-Ilyara Thundertale
Plate armor has a lot of leather holding it all together, straps, etc. Fabricate spells won't create these.
Also pretty sure PHB standard is selling back for 1/2 price. You might find customers to buy a few suits for themselves at full price, but any merchants, etc, looking to resell the armor will likely pay half-price or less.
But, if you have nothing better to do with your time, you could do it.
@DaveTheLost, Why would Fabricate be able to create those? All you would have to do is provide the leather material. Maybe we are reading this line differently "You convert raw materials into products of the same material"?
I assumed you could provide any number of materials if they were required you could convert Fabricate them into another item including those materials. But the last part might be where we differ. I wonder are you reading that it can only be one material? Such as Iron, but not Iron and Leather?
I wanted to mention @mouse0270. You can't provide a cow to Fabricate into leather. There's no raw material for leather that isn't a living creature. Hehe. But I don't see why you couldn't provide hide to make into straps, but... that's kind of a waste of the spell in my opinion. If you're proficient making leather straps wouldn't be difficult.
As to the OP, As most everyone else has said it would be a DM call on the market, available resources, market price etc. In general it's a fine way to make a bit of quick cash but it's still limited by the constraints of the world you DM has created.
Also wanted to add that your creativity and involvement in figuring that out and researching it would be something I'd reward in one of my campaigns. Not saying I'd just hand you a boatload of money but maybe working out a contract with a local merchant who agrees to take X suits of armor over X amount of time. Thus rewarding you for the effort but not being unrealistic in the campaign world.
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@BIT_Brian, I guess that would depend on how you define RAW MATERIALS. I don't think RAW could be truer unless it was off a fresh cow. lol
But honestly, I probably wouldn't allow them to use a living creature unless it seemed reasonable to the party. For example, if I was running a darker campaign with evil players I might allow them to do it not because it makes sense, but it makes for a deeper story that weaves into the characters. Because let's be honest as DM were only here to give the players an adventure not to force our views on their idea of an adventure.
I am personally happy to bend the rules if it suits a character and isn't overpowered. Because a fun story is better for both parties.
LOL, yeah, I'm with you on that regarding bending the rules for the sake of the story! Not transmuting creatures is a limitation of the spell, but I'd still consider bending it if there was a fun/good story to go with it :)
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I've read the first two paragraphs of that spell like 7 times today, completely missed the third one every time.
Interesting idea, but as mentioned you’d need a DM who is on board with it.
Spell states that quality of item is only as good as quality of raw material. I see “raw iron” as more of pig iron, not forged iron.
So id allow the cleric to make himself or the party some armor, so long as he has the iron and leather working skills. But I don’t think his product would hold a candle to nice forged plate.
Thats just me though. A way to reward the creativity of the player but not allow the munchkinism I keep seeing from people trying to abuse low level spells.
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I was thinking it would only work on one material per casting. If it can shape multiple materials then it would indeed make one step plate armor.
One huge issue, supply and demand. Ok two, is their a demand for your product and can you keep up with supply's.
Plate armor is a very different thing to make right its time consuming as well.