Just curious, do people have the same discussion on Roll20 and FantasyGrounds with the same incessant frequency?
Roll20 doesn't have a forum for all things D&D or something similar to the General forum here. Their forums are pretty strictly limited to what pertains to Roll20's functionality. So, no. Same with WotC really: the only way to hit them up in a somewhat public manner is social media, and that's a terrible approach for complaints like these. Hence, these forums are the only outlet for people with this particular grievance. I mean, you can drop a topic in an off-topic forum but that's just not going to get a lot of traction.
How would DnD Beyond make money if they just included a free copy of their books in a Wizards of the Coast Product?
Aside from the logistics of trying to include codes in books that can be stolen or pirated, aside from the fact that the two are different companies, at the end of the day if there were both a digital copy and a hard cover copy included in a purchase, it would cost $90. How do you think people who don't use DnD Beyond are going to take to paying for something they aren't going to use?
And if they sell for $60? Who takes the $30 hit? Wizards? Hell no, they make the product. DnD Beyond? Then they're just giving their products away and the platform dies because it doesn't have to money to hire valuable talent that creates a cool platform for us to use.
LoL... I completely agreed. The insanity of DnD Beyond #imagination.
I think a better question is why do people assume that since they bought a physical copy of a book from Wizards that that somehow entitles them to free access to it through an entirely different company?
Just because I own the physical copies of like ALL the battletech books that means drivethrurpg should just give me all the pdfs for nothing? O.o
I also think there needs to be some kinda big friggin acknowledgement you need to click when you first visit the site that only says "WE ARE NOT WIZARDS OF THE COAST" before you can access the site.. would solve some of these issues
I also think there needs to be some kinda big friggin acknowledgement you need to click when you first visit the site that only says "WE ARE NOT WIZARDS OF THE COAST" before you can access the site.. would solve some of these issues
DDB uses the "official toolset of D&D" tagline, so doing that would throw off the branding.
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No arguments about the niche market or what have you say about B&G’s. I was just adding that there are other places that codes were included.
yes, of course they made a deal or special arrangements to have that, I never said they didn’t. Just like WOTC did the same thing. It’s not like they could just magic up some codes to put in. And since they are all separate business y’all act like WOTC did something special or different. They had to negotiate the deal. Maybe it was more favorable since they could come back and say they would excuse the licensing agreement or something.
with all that being said, it would be wrong for WORC to impose a 2nd SKU on retailers or raise the price to include the DDB code when not everyone wants it.
I blame DDB for not having codes/gift cards for retailers. In fact go read the huge thread already out there on this very subject. WOTC is a publisher, not a distributor or retailer. Why couldn’t a retailer buy codes and bundle it themselves? They can deal with the double sku’s internally. First 10 buyers get a DDB code for digital, else pay an up charge (with a discount) for one that includes it. I mean if Amazon can sell the book for ~$30 instead of full retail, how about $70 for one that includes a DDB code from your fav B&M store. Be angry at them.
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I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
Why couldn’t a retailer buy codes and bundle it themselves?
Erm... Where's the profit in this scheme? Somebody's going to have to cover whatever discount the buyer would get. Who do you suggest that would be, and why would they do that?
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I'm confused, now we're supposed to be angry because DDB doesn't have a relationship with retailers similar to WotC has with retailers?
I mean there was that brief moment when DDB/Curse was a subsidiary of Amazon but no deal was struck with one of the worlds largest de facto retailers then either, so....
For the insistent, from WotC's point of view the DDB is not "essential" to playing D&D, so has not at least in 5e bothered to integrate DDB into its products. (And from a 3rd party point of view, I'd actually argue it's "more work" but you can actually "do more" if you don't center your play around DDB so you handle things like new character classes and other things that don't fit into the official D&D DDB is bound to support). DDB doesn't want to wholesale its tools to a retailer for a number of I think understandable reasons that could be bundled into the idea of product integrity. Moreover would you rather have DDB invest in customer service, product development and maintenance or have to build out into retailer relations, which might boost stales but would take away from the company's in house focus of providing players its tools.
Much like fancy dice or miniatures and battlemaps, DDB's tools enhance the game. Enhancements aren't entitlements, and must be paid for.
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The only book with a code is The Essentials Kit. On top of everything else you get with it, you'll get the digital copy of the adventure on DDB (you also get a paperback version in the box) plus an additional 3 short adventures on DDB for free. The tradeoff is that all four adventures aren't very high quality. You also get a code for 50% off the PHB on DDB in the box.
No other book comes with codes. Codes are rarely used anymore on DDB for anything. Other than the previously mentioned example, the DDB version is not linked with the physical copy in any way bar the fact that it is the digital version - you can't obtain one or even a discount on it from purchasing the other.
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Outside of exceptional circumstances such as competition giveaways and customer service compensation, you cannot get keys for products. You buy the product through the store and it's added to your account.
Ok I don't get so I by stuff on here and then it gets added?
Once you buy a book on D&D Beyond via the marketplace, it gets added to your account and you can access it from the sources menu. You can also use the options in the book you've bought in the character builder
UUUUHHHHHHH!!!! I spent $100 on D&D books I didn't need, just to find out I should have used that money on buying the digital copies because I thought there would be codes.
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Apparently so! lol
Roll20 doesn't have a forum for all things D&D or something similar to the General forum here. Their forums are pretty strictly limited to what pertains to Roll20's functionality. So, no. Same with WotC really: the only way to hit them up in a somewhat public manner is social media, and that's a terrible approach for complaints like these. Hence, these forums are the only outlet for people with this particular grievance. I mean, you can drop a topic in an off-topic forum but that's just not going to get a lot of traction.
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LoL... I completely agreed. The insanity of DnD Beyond #imagination.
haha, that is an extremely good question... excellent point, would people pay for a DDB subscription just for the character builder?
probably not, they need WOTC to give them the books to sell.
and as a rich westerner I'm all for capitalism, price gouging, double dipping etc. let the market sort it out.
but don't be that guy who feels they need to make up excuses for it, let the mods do that.
I think a better question is why do people assume that since they bought a physical copy of a book from Wizards that that somehow entitles them to free access to it through an entirely different company?
Just because I own the physical copies of like ALL the battletech books that means drivethrurpg should just give me all the pdfs for nothing? O.o
I also think there needs to be some kinda big friggin acknowledgement you need to click when you first visit the site that only says "WE ARE NOT WIZARDS OF THE COAST" before you can access the site.. would solve some of these issues
DDB uses the "official toolset of D&D" tagline, so doing that would throw off the branding.
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
No arguments about the niche market or what have you say about B&G’s. I was just adding that there are other places that codes were included.
yes, of course they made a deal or special arrangements to have that, I never said they didn’t. Just like WOTC did the same thing. It’s not like they could just magic up some codes to put in. And since they are all separate business y’all act like WOTC did something special or different. They had to negotiate the deal. Maybe it was more favorable since they could come back and say they would excuse the licensing agreement or something.
with all that being said, it would be wrong for WORC to impose a 2nd SKU on retailers or raise the price to include the DDB code when not everyone wants it.
I blame DDB for not having codes/gift cards for retailers. In fact go read the huge thread already out there on this very subject. WOTC is a publisher, not a distributor or retailer.
Why couldn’t a retailer buy codes and bundle it themselves? They can deal with the double sku’s internally. First 10 buyers get a DDB code for digital, else pay an up charge (with a discount) for one that includes it. I mean if Amazon can sell the book for ~$30 instead of full retail, how about $70 for one that includes a DDB code from your fav B&M store. Be angry at them.
I just want to tell everyone "happy gaming" and actually mean it. Whatever your game is, just have fun with it, it is after all, just a game.
Erm... Where's the profit in this scheme? Somebody's going to have to cover whatever discount the buyer would get. Who do you suggest that would be, and why would they do that?
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
I'm confused, now we're supposed to be angry because DDB doesn't have a relationship with retailers similar to WotC has with retailers?
I mean there was that brief moment when DDB/Curse was a subsidiary of Amazon but no deal was struck with one of the worlds largest de facto retailers then either, so....
For the insistent, from WotC's point of view the DDB is not "essential" to playing D&D, so has not at least in 5e bothered to integrate DDB into its products. (And from a 3rd party point of view, I'd actually argue it's "more work" but you can actually "do more" if you don't center your play around DDB so you handle things like new character classes and other things that don't fit into the official D&D DDB is bound to support). DDB doesn't want to wholesale its tools to a retailer for a number of I think understandable reasons that could be bundled into the idea of product integrity. Moreover would you rather have DDB invest in customer service, product development and maintenance or have to build out into retailer relations, which might boost stales but would take away from the company's in house focus of providing players its tools.
Much like fancy dice or miniatures and battlemaps, DDB's tools enhance the game. Enhancements aren't entitlements, and must be paid for.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Hi I don't get it how do you get book codes?
You cannot, there are no codes in physical books.
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The only book with a code is The Essentials Kit. On top of everything else you get with it, you'll get the digital copy of the adventure on DDB (you also get a paperback version in the box) plus an additional 3 short adventures on DDB for free. The tradeoff is that all four adventures aren't very high quality. You also get a code for 50% off the PHB on DDB in the box.
No other book comes with codes. Codes are rarely used anymore on DDB for anything. Other than the previously mentioned example, the DDB version is not linked with the physical copy in any way bar the fact that it is the digital version - you can't obtain one or even a discount on it from purchasing the other.
If you're not willing or able to to discuss in good faith, then don't be surprised if I don't respond, there are better things in life for me to do than humour you. This signature is that response.
But how do you get the codes because I have strixhaven a curriculum of chaos and I want it on dnd beyond
You go here and buy the book on D&D Beyond. There are no codes to get
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Ok how do you get keys?
Outside of exceptional circumstances such as competition giveaways and customer service compensation, you cannot get keys for products. You buy the product through the store and it's added to your account.
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
Ok I don't get so I by stuff on here and then it gets added?
Once you buy a book on D&D Beyond via the marketplace, it gets added to your account and you can access it from the sources menu. You can also use the options in the book you've bought in the character builder
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
UUUUHHHHHHH!!!! I spent $100 on D&D books I didn't need, just to find out I should have used that money on buying the digital copies because I thought there would be codes.