Warhammer is not hasbro, warhammer is it’s own company which has been flying if you look at its share value.
But this is not a surprise, the boardgame market generally has been growing with more and more people playing games like settlers of catan, ticket to ride etc. the table top roleplay game market is a natural expansion of that.
They weren't saying Warhammer is a hasbro IP, they were saying they'll be interested to see how the IP ends up interacting under Hasbro seeing as they're releasing a 40k Magic the Gathering set (along with a Fortnite Secret Lair and a Street Fighter set).
WotC seems to pull their weight in this as well....I am sure MtG is doing the best overall but I feel that DnD has really pulled closer in the last two years.
I am interested to see how Strixhaven does in 5e....I think pulling the subclasses is going to make this book a low performer but I will eat crow if I am wrong.
WotC seems to pull their weight in this as well....I am sure MtG is doing the best overall but I feel that DnD has really pulled closer in the last two years.
I am interested to see how Strixhaven does in 5e....I think pulling the subclasses is going to make this book a low performer but I will eat crow if I am wrong.
Strixhaven and the other one like it will both be disasters, because neither one adds a single thing to the core game. Most players don't need a skill or subclass called "prom planner", or "ring-toss expert".
Most players also dont need a "Haunted One" background and a table of Gothic trinkets isnt a strong tool for DMs, and yet both were added to give more setting-appropriate options for players of Curse of Strahd. Small things that help tie characters into the setting are nothing new.
But, only time will truly tell if both end up being the "disasters" you think they will
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
Three-time Judge of the Competition of the Finest Brews!Come join us in making fun, unique homebrew and voting for your favorite entries!
WotC seems to pull their weight in this as well....I am sure MtG is doing the best overall but I feel that DnD has really pulled closer in the last two years.
I am interested to see how Strixhaven does in 5e....I think pulling the subclasses is going to make this book a low performer but I will eat crow if I am wrong.
Strixhaven and the other one like it will both be disasters, because neither one adds a single thing to the core game. Most players don't need a skill or subclass called "prom planner", or "ring-toss expert".
Most players also dont need a "Haunted One" background and a table of Gothic trinkets isnt a strong tool for DMs, and yet both were added to give more setting-appropriate options for players of Curse of Strahd. Small things that help tie characters into the setting are nothing new.
But, only time will truly tell if both end up being the "disasters" you think they will
Yeah that is why I think it might do ok because there is a significant group of players who like the fluff.
However, TBF, they also added subclasses in the other releases so it will be interesting to see how one fairs without that.
Warhammer is not hasbro, warhammer is it’s own company which has been flying if you look at its share value.
But this is not a surprise, the boardgame market generally has been growing with more and more people playing games like settlers of catan, ticket to ride etc. the table top roleplay game market is a natural expansion of that.
They weren't saying Warhammer is a hasbro IP, they were saying they'll be interested to see how the IP ends up interacting under Hasbro seeing as they're releasing a 40k Magic the Gathering set (along with a Fortnite Secret Lair and a Street Fighter set).
ahhhh I had no idea there was a 40K magic set coming. After years of refusing to allow there IP out of their own hands the past few years Games Workshop seems to have finally bought into the idea of licensing it out all over.
Holy shit. This is the first I heard about Hasbro buying controlling interest in GW! It’s not 40k they’re gonna cross promote with D&D and M:tG, it’ll be AoS they cross promote first. I need to buy shares in GW now ASAP.
They are not buying a controlling interest and if you looked at GW shares they have been increasing at a pretty meteoric rate in opposition to other industries over the past 6-7 years they are a pretty solid investment currently.
Holy shit. This is the first I heard about Hasbro buying controlling interest in GW! It’s not 40k they’re gonna cross promote with D&D and M:tG, it’ll be AoS they cross promote first. I need to buy shares in GW now ASAP.
If the date on the page is to be believed, Hasbro got the controlling interest back in 2015 :-)
I think the more interesting callout was during a pandemic year, WoTC jumped up 24% year over year. That's HUGE from a business PoV.
It just goes to show that D&D ain't going away any time soon, and its a wonderful time to get into the game if you are a casual fan.
My local game store owner once told me that D&D is actually only a tiny portion of WotC’s revenue: most is MtG. Not to take away from what you said, but I think the boost is more due to them pushing Magic into a digital format (which is horrible for the game in the long run, but that’s another story) than D&D.
I am not able to find any solid numbers to say for certain that MTG is bigger than D&D, but based on Hasbro's annual reports, D&D was mentioned 11 times while MTG was mentioned 29 times. Both brands are mentioned to be doing very well. MTG is grouped under Franchise Brands, which are stated to be composed of the biggest IPs that Hasbro owns. Since D&D is not under Franchise Brands, I think it is reasonable to assume D&D is smaller than MTG and everything else in the Franchise Brand category. Other brands under Franchise Brands are: Nerf, Play-Doh, Monopoly, Transformers, Baby Alive, and My Little Pony.
I have no idea what Baby Alive is, but other than that, I can see all other brands being more massive than D&D. Nerf, Transformers, Monopoly, and MLP are in every big retail store. Nerf and Transformers alone can take up at least a quarter of their respective toy aisles, at least in the Walmarts and Targets in my area. There are also usually several Monopoly variants on sale. I do not pay too much attention to the girl's section of the toy aisles, so I cannot really say how much presence MLP has, but it is probably more than D&D. The only D&D products I recall seeing would be the Starter Kit box and Essentials Kit box, and stores do not always carry them either; when they do carry them, it is usually the Starter Kit by itself, with the Essentials Kit making the occasional appearance.
It would make sense for Magic to be worth more, the business model itself, you only need to buy 3 books and 5 of you can play DnD, to play magic you need to all buy decks, and booster packs, and then buy the new editions and updates etc.
If they do bring 40k to D&D, there is one setting book I would preorder as soon as I possibly could: Gorkamorka. ‘Nuff Said.
They won't be doing that gamesworkshop already has a very good roleplay game for 40K, it has gone through a few iterations but I prefer the D100 system to the D20 DnD system. Gamesworkshop seems to have learnt that if you diversify your licenses across multiple companies letting each specialise in what it does best then you end up with products you are proud to put your name to.
Holy shit. This is the first I heard about Hasbro buying controlling interest in GW! It’s not 40k they’re gonna cross promote with D&D and M:tG, it’ll be AoS they cross promote first. I need to buy shares in GW now ASAP.
As someone that was once an avid player of Fantasy and have at times played AoS, I don't want that crap in D&D either lol.
I loved the lore of Fantasy, not the game. And I can’t stand AoS at all. (To be honest, I lost interest in 40k with 8th edition, it’s too streamlined for my tastes now. I liked that vehicles had different armor on F/S/R, and I liked templates, and I liked the Jet Pack was different than Jump was different than Flying. 😞 )
I love the grimdark of fantasy, and borrow elements from it for my own games. The lore behind the likes of Nagash, the Skaven, the conflict between elves and dark elves (although I never was entirely happy with the idea that Malekith was the one who was right in that battle) and just the sense in warhammer fantasy roleplay that the characters where out matched and really just counting down the days until something killed them. I was an avid fantasy battle player, had 20,000 points of empire and 7000 of skaven. But AoS I can't stand.
40K I haven't played since 3rd edition, but again I love the lore, the heresy series has overall been great, again the sheer hopelessness of life in the 40K universe makes for a fantastic place to tell stories.
I personally don't see why people are displeased with the merger, the forgotten realms set in my opinion was fantastic, not only did it reintroduce treasure tokens to standard, but it also released a roll d20 system that was new, exciting, and fresh. And the truth of the matter is, the perceived "cross-overs" may never happen due to conflicting companies (Warner has no official relation to hasbro other than merchandise). Having the two companies combine also means a lot for variety. For a really long time dnd monsters and mtg monsters have been separated, but now we may see some creatures we recognize from pop culture! For those that are original magic players I can understand why this might make you feel almost betrayed. When you become so engrossed in a world and it suddenly starts combining with other worlds the entire original is pretty much removed. I also still seriously doubt we are going to see non-fantasy character pop up like space marines, but characters like Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Eowyn, Witch King, Saruman, and Gothmog with their respective colors and playstyles would fit right in, even if it changes some lore. Or even other genres such as sci-fi would not be that bad either. A dinosaur deck from Jurassic Park, an all colour deck from Power Rangers, artifact/vehicle deck from transformers, none of it is world breaking and I trust WotC to integrate these stories as well as they do others.
Sorry this is long and you may not want to read it so
TLDR: I trust WotC to make the right additions and not break the game and that even if cross-overs were to happen it wouldn't be that bad.
Signing off, ThePurplestWalri
Rollback Post to RevisionRollBack
To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
They weren't saying Warhammer is a hasbro IP, they were saying they'll be interested to see how the IP ends up interacting under Hasbro seeing as they're releasing a 40k Magic the Gathering set (along with a Fortnite Secret Lair and a Street Fighter set).
Find my D&D Beyond articles here
WotC seems to pull their weight in this as well....I am sure MtG is doing the best overall but I feel that DnD has really pulled closer in the last two years.
I am interested to see how Strixhaven does in 5e....I think pulling the subclasses is going to make this book a low performer but I will eat crow if I am wrong.
Most players also dont need a "Haunted One" background and a table of Gothic trinkets isnt a strong tool for DMs, and yet both were added to give more setting-appropriate options for players of Curse of Strahd. Small things that help tie characters into the setting are nothing new.
But, only time will truly tell if both end up being the "disasters" you think they will
Three-time Judge of the Competition of the Finest Brews! Come join us in making fun, unique homebrew and voting for your favorite entries!
Yeah that is why I think it might do ok because there is a significant group of players who like the fluff.
However, TBF, they also added subclasses in the other releases so it will be interesting to see how one fairs without that.
ahhhh I had no idea there was a 40K magic set coming. After years of refusing to allow there IP out of their own hands the past few years Games Workshop seems to have finally bought into the idea of licensing it out all over.
They are not buying a controlling interest and if you looked at GW shares they have been increasing at a pretty meteoric rate in opposition to other industries over the past 6-7 years they are a pretty solid investment currently.
This was an april fools joke :) but several people have been confused by it in the past.
It would make sense for Magic to be worth more, the business model itself, you only need to buy 3 books and 5 of you can play DnD, to play magic you need to all buy decks, and booster packs, and then buy the new editions and updates etc.
They won't be doing that gamesworkshop already has a very good roleplay game for 40K, it has gone through a few iterations but I prefer the D100 system to the D20 DnD system. Gamesworkshop seems to have learnt that if you diversify your licenses across multiple companies letting each specialise in what it does best then you end up with products you are proud to put your name to.
I love the grimdark of fantasy, and borrow elements from it for my own games. The lore behind the likes of Nagash, the Skaven, the conflict between elves and dark elves (although I never was entirely happy with the idea that Malekith was the one who was right in that battle) and just the sense in warhammer fantasy roleplay that the characters where out matched and really just counting down the days until something killed them. I was an avid fantasy battle player, had 20,000 points of empire and 7000 of skaven. But AoS I can't stand.
40K I haven't played since 3rd edition, but again I love the lore, the heresy series has overall been great, again the sheer hopelessness of life in the 40K universe makes for a fantastic place to tell stories.
I personally don't see why people are displeased with the merger, the forgotten realms set in my opinion was fantastic, not only did it reintroduce treasure tokens to standard, but it also released a roll d20 system that was new, exciting, and fresh. And the truth of the matter is, the perceived "cross-overs" may never happen due to conflicting companies (Warner has no official relation to hasbro other than merchandise). Having the two companies combine also means a lot for variety. For a really long time dnd monsters and mtg monsters have been separated, but now we may see some creatures we recognize from pop culture! For those that are original magic players I can understand why this might make you feel almost betrayed. When you become so engrossed in a world and it suddenly starts combining with other worlds the entire original is pretty much removed. I also still seriously doubt we are going to see non-fantasy character pop up like space marines, but characters like Gandalf, Aragorn, Legolas, Gimli, Eowyn, Witch King, Saruman, and Gothmog with their respective colors and playstyles would fit right in, even if it changes some lore. Or even other genres such as sci-fi would not be that bad either. A dinosaur deck from Jurassic Park, an all colour deck from Power Rangers, artifact/vehicle deck from transformers, none of it is world breaking and I trust WotC to integrate these stories as well as they do others.
Sorry this is long and you may not want to read it so
TLDR: I trust WotC to make the right additions and not break the game and that even if cross-overs were to happen it wouldn't be that bad.
Signing off, ThePurplestWalri