This is so incredibly stupid and ridiculous. As a software engineer, I could make this content migration work better myself. Simply create new databases for the old spells and items, and make a toggle for the legacy content on the character creation menu and other pages. And no, the "throwing us a bone" by keeping the legacy spells in the digital versions of the books is not acceptable either. I have canceled my subscription and will not give WOTC any more of my money if this change is not remedied. Not making legacy content that WE PAID FOR easily accessible is unacceptable. Do better.
Folks, you paid for the books. You keep the books. Everything in them stays as it is. Spells and magic items that have been made legacy won't appear in the character creator sheets. Creator != Books
Let's not pretend there weren't easily accessible digital versions of all 5e content. I don't know about others but the boon of D&DBeyond was everything linking very easily to a character creator and digital sheet.
Folks, you paid for the books. You keep the books. Everything in them stays as it is. Spells and magic items that have been made legacy won't appear in the character creator sheets. Creator != Books
Let's not pretend there weren't easily accessible digital versions of all 5e content. I don't know about others but the boon of D&DBeyond was everything linking very easily to a character creator and digital sheet.
As in places like roll20, etc or pirated? Cause the second I don't take into account, most people don't use pirated sources.
"With the rules revision, we are updating game materials in the toolset and in tooltips to be in line with the 2024 Core Rulebooks. This change impacts the information you’ll find on your character sheet, in tooltips, and that is linked in the compendium
Aside from a few exceptions, all entries for mundane and magical items, weapons, armor, and spells will also be updated to their 2024 version."
So this will no longer a tool for playing 5e games. Guess it's time to cancel
In addition to the spells issue, which is bad (it is not my job to carefully compare spell list changes and homebrew each changed spell ahead of time it is literally yours), the above alongside the items being changed is completely unacceptable. You are forcing us to use the new ruleset by changing the rules and items on our character sheets. I'm not paying for 2024 but you're taking away my 2014. I thought people were exaggerating but in reading your post you're literally telling us you're making changes to the items, spells, and rules on our character sheets without our consent. You are overwriting our content on 2014 sheets. Am I misunderstanding?
If you stick with this I will be canceling my subscription and moving on from the platform. My DM and I are already discussing alternatives and are downloading all of our game information for storage+transfer. Someone in your organization must've warned you about how messed up this solution was and you should've listened to them. This is an embarrassingly massive unforced error.
Sadly, the inability to use the original spells and items on the character sheets going to cause a problem with my group's ability to import into Foundry. We are in the middle of a campaign and aren't totally against 5 5 but want to finish how we started. Since none of us have the time/energy/knowhow to make every spell into a homebrew entry (not to mention that we purchased the content we did SPECIFICALLY not to have to create homebrew entries...) , we will likely be canceling our DnDbeyond subscriptions simply because it makes no sense to have accounts we can't use for our intended purpose. Too bad too because we were willing to try out 5.5 once we finished our current campaign but the not so subtle forcing of people to 5.5 is a massive turn off.
Will the homebrew system still block out spells that are "too similar" to existing spells from 2014? This is trivial if "Counterspell (2014)" will be something I can just add to my homebrew collection.
And similarly, will the 2014 spells pop up in the "Use an existing spell as a template" drop down menu for homebrew?
As soon as I saw that it was double the price to buy physical and digital copies I knew it was over. Not being able to easily use the digital content from purchased material cements it.
I think the biggest issue besides forced updates of spells/items, is the forced update to the new rules in the character sheet. So now Inspiration will refer to Heroic Inspiration (advantage on d20 test vs advantage on any dice roll), Hide action will use the new Hide action text (DC 15 to succeed etc) and so on. This wrecks the tool for anyone who still wants to play on 2014, and I imagine this will alienate a huge part of the community.
These people are real geniuses. Let's just bloat our database with a few million copies of the same "homebrew" spells, monsters, etc and make that unusable instead of using the existing system they've used for years.
Yeah, that's why there would be a few million copies. And everyone has to do it. I might just write a script to do it for me so I can use it before my sub runs out next year.
An example spell creation POST request would be https://www.dndbeyond.com/homebrew/creations/create-spell with request body "security-token=[short string]&authenticity-token=[long string]&spell-school=&spell=[spell id]", then use the response id to update the name of the homebrew so it isn't "COPY_OF_Acid Arrow" in a different call. Rinse and repeat for the whole backlog of books you own.
Yeah, that's why there would be a few million copies. And everyone has to do it. I might just write a script to do it for me so I can use it before my sub runs out next year.
An example spell creation POST request would be https://www.dndbeyond.com/homebrew/creations/create-spell with request "security-token=[short string]&authenticity-token=[long string]&spell-school=&spell=[spell id]", then use the response id to update the name of the homebrew so it isn't "COPY_OF_Acid Arrow" in a different call. Rinse and repeat for the whole backlog of books you own.
It would actually be better for server space if you *could* publish the 2014 spells, because then there would only be 1 instance per spell instead of 1 per spell per campaign.
Or if there was some official central repository of legacy content, some kind of.. searchable compendium.
I've been a master tier subscriber since early 2020. I bought the legendary bundle in 2020 and have bought every official book until earlier this year. The old books being available is not the same as them being usable with all the tools for dndbeyond.
This change has finally convinced me to cancel my subscription and I will not be buying anything else from this service or wizards. Completely absurd that these things cannot be marked legacy and still used.
Great way to convince people actually spending money on the service that it's a waste.
Ahh the Enshitification of the internet where people activly make their websites worse for users.
There goes the last reason I have for using this site unfortunatly. It was great for managing my spell lists, but I'm not intending to move to DnDone, so time to find an alternative method.
Hi all. Understand your reasoning and appreciate the heads up.
A large part of why I pay for my subscription is for the consistent tooling between the books I've purchased and the character builder. Since that's no longer going to be fully maintained for my campaign with the 2014 rules, I'm going to be cancelling my subscription once these changes roll out.
Will keep an eye on the 2024 ruleset as it rolls out, and may be back if my group likes the rules and we decide to make the switch.
If you put in a legacy switch players and DMs can continue to play their campaigns while upgrading as and when they want to, that might actually show you care and listen to your customers. No, actually we already know you don't care about your customers, you only care about how much you can get out of us, but if you don't listen to your players lots of us will say bye, bye!.
I'm curious when someone on the beyond team will jump in and respond. Haven't seen any other than the initial post.
Or for a statement to be released.
Obviously a fair amount of people are dissatisfied here and on other platforms. We are adults and as customers I think worth an explanation.
As someone who was planning to switch over to the new book content, I am not directly affected by the spell changes except in my ongoing campaigns, but I think I and the others in this thread and elsewhere need to know what happens to our existing sheets/spells/items the moment 2024 kicks in officially (assuming with the master tier access or a few days before).
Will our sheets remain unchanged and function as is, or are they going to have changes made to them, which could break existing things on them? Clarity and openness go a long way towards not alienating long term players who were not planning to switch over. Or those who were on the fence. (Anecdotally) I've spoken to at least one DM who will be canceling subscription and moving entirely off of dndbeyond because they'd like to finish their current campaign using the legacy rules.
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This is so incredibly stupid and ridiculous. As a software engineer, I could make this content migration work better myself. Simply create new databases for the old spells and items, and make a toggle for the legacy content on the character creation menu and other pages. And no, the "throwing us a bone" by keeping the legacy spells in the digital versions of the books is not acceptable either. I have canceled my subscription and will not give WOTC any more of my money if this change is not remedied. Not making legacy content that WE PAID FOR easily accessible is unacceptable. Do better.
Let's not pretend there weren't easily accessible digital versions of all 5e content. I don't know about others but the boon of D&DBeyond was everything linking very easily to a character creator and digital sheet.
As in places like roll20, etc or pirated? Cause the second I don't take into account, most people don't use pirated sources.
In addition to the spells issue, which is bad (it is not my job to carefully compare spell list changes and homebrew each changed spell ahead of time it is literally yours), the above alongside the items being changed is completely unacceptable. You are forcing us to use the new ruleset by changing the rules and items on our character sheets. I'm not paying for 2024 but you're taking away my 2014. I thought people were exaggerating but in reading your post you're literally telling us you're making changes to the items, spells, and rules on our character sheets without our consent. You are overwriting our content on 2014 sheets. Am I misunderstanding?
If you stick with this I will be canceling my subscription and moving on from the platform. My DM and I are already discussing alternatives and are downloading all of our game information for storage+transfer. Someone in your organization must've warned you about how messed up this solution was and you should've listened to them. This is an embarrassingly massive unforced error.
Sadly, the inability to use the original spells and items on the character sheets going to cause a problem with my group's ability to import into Foundry. We are in the middle of a campaign and aren't totally against 5 5 but want to finish how we started. Since none of us have the time/energy/knowhow to make every spell into a homebrew entry (not to mention that we purchased the content we did SPECIFICALLY not to have to create homebrew entries...) , we will likely be canceling our DnDbeyond subscriptions simply because it makes no sense to have accounts we can't use for our intended purpose. Too bad too because we were willing to try out 5.5 once we finished our current campaign but the not so subtle forcing of people to 5.5 is a massive turn off.
Will the homebrew system still block out spells that are "too similar" to existing spells from 2014? This is trivial if "Counterspell (2014)" will be something I can just add to my homebrew collection.
And similarly, will the 2014 spells pop up in the "Use an existing spell as a template" drop down menu for homebrew?
As soon as I saw that it was double the price to buy physical and digital copies I knew it was over. Not being able to easily use the digital content from purchased material cements it.
I think the biggest issue besides forced updates of spells/items, is the forced update to the new rules in the character sheet. So now Inspiration will refer to Heroic Inspiration (advantage on d20 test vs advantage on any dice roll), Hide action will use the new Hide action text (DC 15 to succeed etc) and so on. This wrecks the tool for anyone who still wants to play on 2014, and I imagine this will alienate a huge part of the community.
They need to seriously rethink this and do better
These people are real geniuses. Let's just bloat our database with a few million copies of the same "homebrew" spells, monsters, etc and make that unusable instead of using the existing system they've used for years.
Majority of homebeew isn't published though.
Why oh why am I switching to Daggerheart in September when our current campaign ends?
This. This stuff. Because WoTC cant be trusted with their previous statements and promises. They rely on the ambiguity of inference as a scape goat.
Yeah, that's why there would be a few million copies. And everyone has to do it. I might just write a script to do it for me so I can use it before my sub runs out next year.
An example spell creation POST request would be https://www.dndbeyond.com/homebrew/creations/create-spell with request body "security-token=[short string]&authenticity-token=[long string]&spell-school=&spell=[spell id]", then use the response id to update the name of the homebrew so it isn't "COPY_OF_Acid Arrow" in a different call. Rinse and repeat for the whole backlog of books you own.
It will still be in their database instead of of just giving everyone a legacy option
It would actually be better for server space if you *could* publish the 2014 spells, because then there would only be 1 instance per spell instead of 1 per spell per campaign.
Or if there was some official central repository of legacy content, some kind of.. searchable compendium.
Because Robots.
I've been a master tier subscriber since early 2020. I bought the legendary bundle in 2020 and have bought every official book until earlier this year. The old books being available is not the same as them being usable with all the tools for dndbeyond.
This change has finally convinced me to cancel my subscription and I will not be buying anything else from this service or wizards. Completely absurd that these things cannot be marked legacy and still used.
Great way to convince people actually spending money on the service that it's a waste.
Ahh the Enshitification of the internet where people activly make their websites worse for users.
There goes the last reason I have for using this site unfortunatly. It was great for managing my spell lists, but I'm not intending to move to DnDone, so time to find an alternative method.
Hi all. Understand your reasoning and appreciate the heads up.
A large part of why I pay for my subscription is for the consistent tooling between the books I've purchased and the character builder. Since that's no longer going to be fully maintained for my campaign with the 2014 rules, I'm going to be cancelling my subscription once these changes roll out.
Will keep an eye on the 2024 ruleset as it rolls out, and may be back if my group likes the rules and we decide to make the switch.
I'm watching my DM strap in to look at his homebrew so we can continue our campaign as usual next week.
Why would you drop the weight of Earth on the people who hold up your heavens?
If you put in a legacy switch players and DMs can continue to play their campaigns while upgrading as and when they want to, that might actually show you care and listen to your customers. No, actually we already know you don't care about your customers, you only care about how much you can get out of us, but if you don't listen to your players lots of us will say bye, bye!.
Master Subscription cancelled.
I'm curious when someone on the beyond team will jump in and respond. Haven't seen any other than the initial post.
Or for a statement to be released.
Obviously a fair amount of people are dissatisfied here and on other platforms. We are adults and as customers I think worth an explanation.
As someone who was planning to switch over to the new book content, I am not directly affected by the spell changes except in my ongoing campaigns, but I think I and the others in this thread and elsewhere need to know what happens to our existing sheets/spells/items the moment 2024 kicks in officially (assuming with the master tier access or a few days before).
Will our sheets remain unchanged and function as is, or are they going to have changes made to them, which could break existing things on them? Clarity and openness go a long way towards not alienating long term players who were not planning to switch over. Or those who were on the fence. (Anecdotally) I've spoken to at least one DM who will be canceling subscription and moving entirely off of dndbeyond because they'd like to finish their current campaign using the legacy rules.