Hey Sarah, is there any chance you can get someone who is upper level management for DNDBeyond reach out to an independent YouTube channel to do a longer form video so they can address this topic? I think it would benefit everyone to understand why the decision was made in the first place and what will happen now that the decision has changed.
Very appreciative of this course reversal! I was dreading the huge amounts of homebrewing I would need to complete my current campaigns (we're not planning to switch to 2024 rules until the DMG and MM are out).
Thank you so much DDB team! The whole reason I love this app is that I don't have to faff around digging through compendiums to find what my spells/magic items do, it's all right there neat and tidy. I will probably move to 5.5e in the future but not now when we're mid-campaign!
Thank you for listening to and honouring the community's wishes!
I am not going to praise them for doing the bare minimum. The announcement made, without this consideration is just another sign of how disgustingly out of touch with the community this company is. 2024 is already wildly out of touch, the way it is being managed even more so. It's just embarrassing how wrong they are getting it.
I'm primarily grateful to the community that spoke out and helped motivate WotC to do what was obviously the sensible and decent thing all along.
I'm sorry for all the people in the trenches at WotC negatively affected by the company's poor decisions and the ensuing blowback.
I do not have high hopes that the decisionmakers will learn any lessons this time, because this keeps happening at a frightening rate, it's quite the goodwill-torching spiral we've been in for far too long. I am far more sceptical about using dndbeyond and spending money here than I was a week ago.
While I'm happy this is where we appear to have landed, I remain worried that this is how it is now: Instead of being able to relax and focus on the fun game and exciting new products, the community needs to constantly be watching out for short-sighted, harmful decisions by WotC that will require pushback so they might be rectified. That is not the kind of engagement with the brand we enjoy, and it can't be the one WotC wants.
Instead of making people excited for the 2024 version of the game, this sort of thing makes them apprehensive, the same as the whole Youtube blurring business sucked a lot of excitement out of the PHB reveal. WotCs interests align with the community's in many ways, at the least mid- and long-term, so it would be great to see the company start to act in its own (and our) interest.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the decisionmaking processes in this company.
Assuming the announcement means we can carry on playing with 2014 rules, tooltips working, the toolset working as it does now, etc, etc, then well done to the overwhelming majority of people (Or 'vocal minority') for making their voices heard and forcing change.
This is our hobby. Corporate greed is disgusting. I look forward to us banding together again to fight whatever tomfoolery these clowns come up with next.
Let's see what will happens with monsters and their attached spells. This might not be over yet.
Agreed. No mention of tooltips, etc
Let's see. I have unsubscribed a while ago, but it's a 1 year subscription. I will have to decide next year if I actually still want the service they are offering by then and re-subscribe only, if they didn't screw me out of functionality I bought (yes bought, it says so in their marketplace!) with the books.
For me personally, it's too little too late. I literally had to rush the ending of a nearly three year campaign because of this nonsense. I've also spent my long weekend now setting up alternate solutions. Worse still, this isn't the solution that other services are offering. This isn't a win, this isn't a company listening to feedback. This is a company bleeding income through unsubcribes being forced into a corner.
The stress this caused people...it's not good enough.
Beyond that, the announcement this time is in very carefully worded language. Language that I think is more revealing than whichever PR person who wrote might believe.
They have changed their mind and I am happy to say, I will renew my subscription on my next billing period and continue using this service
Adding my voice to those saying thank you for fixing this.
I know it wasn’t you personally, but as the messenger, you’re the one I’ll say thank you to. Please pass along my gratitude.
Hey Sarah, is there any chance you can get someone who is upper level management for DNDBeyond reach out to an independent YouTube channel to do a longer form video so they can address this topic? I think it would benefit everyone to understand why the decision was made in the first place and what will happen now that the decision has changed.
We truly appreciate the teams willingness to listen to feedback.
Appreciate you for keeping people in this thread updated! Also really happy the team is willing to listen to player feedback
Very appreciative of this course reversal! I was dreading the huge amounts of homebrewing I would need to complete my current campaigns (we're not planning to switch to 2024 rules until the DMG and MM are out).
Thank you so much DDB team! The whole reason I love this app is that I don't have to faff around digging through compendiums to find what my spells/magic items do, it's all right there neat and tidy. I will probably move to 5.5e in the future but not now when we're mid-campaign!
Thank you for listening to and honouring the community's wishes!
I am not going to praise them for doing the bare minimum. The announcement made, without this consideration is just another sign of how disgustingly out of touch with the community this company is. 2024 is already wildly out of touch, the way it is being managed even more so. It's just embarrassing how wrong they are getting it.
Well done!
I'm glad the decision has been reversed.
I'm primarily grateful to the community that spoke out and helped motivate WotC to do what was obviously the sensible and decent thing all along.
I'm sorry for all the people in the trenches at WotC negatively affected by the company's poor decisions and the ensuing blowback.
I do not have high hopes that the decisionmakers will learn any lessons this time, because this keeps happening at a frightening rate, it's quite the goodwill-torching spiral we've been in for far too long. I am far more sceptical about using dndbeyond and spending money here than I was a week ago.
While I'm happy this is where we appear to have landed, I remain worried that this is how it is now: Instead of being able to relax and focus on the fun game and exciting new products, the community needs to constantly be watching out for short-sighted, harmful decisions by WotC that will require pushback so they might be rectified. That is not the kind of engagement with the brand we enjoy, and it can't be the one WotC wants.
Instead of making people excited for the 2024 version of the game, this sort of thing makes them apprehensive, the same as the whole Youtube blurring business sucked a lot of excitement out of the PHB reveal. WotCs interests align with the community's in many ways, at the least mid- and long-term, so it would be great to see the company start to act in its own (and our) interest.
There is something fundamentally wrong with the decisionmaking processes in this company.
Once again, this community comes through.
If only they'd listened to us about a la carte purchases, too.
Thank you.
Assuming the announcement means we can carry on playing with 2014 rules, tooltips working, the toolset working as it does now, etc, etc, then well done to the overwhelming majority of people (Or 'vocal minority') for making their voices heard and forcing change.
This is our hobby. Corporate greed is disgusting. I look forward to us banding together again to fight whatever tomfoolery these clowns come up with next.
Thank you.
Fair is fair, we complained but you listened. Now lets work together community and developer to improve this game and have fun.
Thanks.
Life's hard - get a helmet!
Let's see what will happens with monsters and their attached spells. This might not be over yet.
Agreed. No mention of tooltips, etc
Let's see. I have unsubscribed a while ago, but it's a 1 year subscription. I will have to decide next year if I actually still want the service they are offering by then and re-subscribe only, if they didn't screw me out of functionality I bought (yes bought, it says so in their marketplace!) with the books.
I'm glad I procrastinated on cancelling my subscription! Thanks for walking this back. It was a ridiculous move.
Is their a way we can talk about changes that are seemingly going to be meet with resistance so that we can avoid this stress in the future?
For me personally, it's too little too late. I literally had to rush the ending of a nearly three year campaign because of this nonsense. I've also spent my long weekend now setting up alternate solutions. Worse still, this isn't the solution that other services are offering. This isn't a win, this isn't a company listening to feedback. This is a company bleeding income through unsubcribes being forced into a corner.
The stress this caused people...it's not good enough.
Beyond that, the announcement this time is in very carefully worded language. Language that I think is more revealing than whichever PR person who wrote might believe.
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