What they mean is you can go to the book on the sit and the book will be unchanged. They are removing the 2014 data from the character creation. You know the only reason this site is good. I bet they will also force you to use the new 2024 character sheet which I don't like.
It's easy enough to make a copy of the two dozens or so 2014 PHB spells that function differently from the 2024 PHB versions. If you're playing with friends in a shared campaign, only one of you needs to create a homebrew version of the 2014 PHB spell you'd like to use (Homebew > Create homebrew spell > Create from exisiting spell).
Rename the spell (ex. Sleep (2014) or -- if you want to make it more interesting -- Efteran's Sleep (named after the original spell creator). If you toggle on the Homebrew toggle in the Character Preferences, the spell will appear with the other 2024 spells. You don't have to go through all the 2024 spells at all at once. Simple the ones that have been revised in a way you and the other players at your table don't like. Hell, the DM can even create revised (nerfed, improved, or clarified) versions of spells that don't match either the 2014 or 2024 versions and simply add a tag to the spell's name (ex. Hypnotic Pattern ᴮᴹ ).
It takes about 15 minutes of work to copy 30 2014 spells with the homebrew spell creator if you're simply changing the spell name (30 seconds per spell).
Yes, they could've created a TOGGLE 2014 ON/OFF button and 2024 ON/OFF button... But they're a company, they want to sell their new toy. Frustrating, perhaps, but not really unexpected. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You're asking every player to go through all 400 spells in both PHBs to find out which ones have changed. Then make homebrew copies of the 2024 version and change any text or mechanics of the spell to the 2014 version.
Then go through every Item, Species, Feat and Subclass which gives access to said spells and homebrew them as well to give access to the home-brewed 2014 versions.
And you may think this will be good enough to replicate existing functionality, but it isn't. Because any base class feature which gives access to said spells can not be changed to refer to your 2014 versions because you can't homebrew classes. So you are basically screwed and might as well just use pen and paper.
They are absolutely taking the piss and it's unacceptable.
This doesn't answer our main concern, which is the character sheets. We have all paid a lot of money to have access to the 5th edition ruleset, and now you're expecting us, the consumers, to do extra work to have access to them. And we've already paid for it! I've maintained my subscription throughout your One DnD/Open Licensure debacle so my students can have access to making characters on my campaign, and they're going to lose that access because of these changes. IF this goes through, I'm going to have my players transition to a completely different system, and cancel my subscription. Do not ruin the accessibility because you so desperately want to make a quick buck.
It's easy enough to make a copy of the two dozens or so 2014 PHB spells that function differently from the 2024 PHB versions. If you're playing with friends in a shared campaign, only one of you needs to create a homebrew version of the 2014 PHB spell you'd like to use (Homebew > Create homebrew spell > Create from exisiting spell).
Rename the spell (ex. Sleep (2014) or -- if you want to make it more interesting -- Efteran's Sleep (named after the original spell creator). If you toggle on the Homebrew toggle in the Character Preferences, the spell will appear with the other 2024 spells. You don't have to go through all the 2024 spells at all at once. Simple the ones that have been revised in a way you and the other players at your table don't like. Hell, the DM can even create revised (nerfed, improved, or clarified) versions of spells that don't match either the 2014 or 2024 versions and simply add a tag to the spell's name (ex. Hypnotic Pattern ᴮᴹ ).
[ D&D Beyond homebrewer tip: in a Word document, you can find all these nice superscript Times New Roman letters to copy/paste after the name of your homebrew to tag your homebrew content :
Supercript ᴬ ᴮ ᴰ ᴱ ᴳ ᴴ ᴵ ᴶ ᴷ ᴸ ᴹ ᴺ ᴼ ᴾ ᴿ ᵀ ᵁ ᵂ (In Word, Insert > Symbol > More Symbols > Font: Times New Roman > scroll down until you find these characters > Insert each character you want to use in your Word document. Save the doc. , then copy/paste the letters to tag your homebrew)
When I tag the name of a feat, subclass, magic item, monster etc., I use ᴴ for homebrew, ᴷᴾ for Kobold Press, ᴸᵁ for Level Up 5e, ᴰᴿ for Drakenheim, and my own initials ᴮᴹ when I want to indicate to my players that they need to pick THAT feat/spell/magic item option instead of the default one.]
But if you're not bothering with tags, it takes about 15 minutes of work to copy 30 2014 spells with the homebrew spell creator if you're simply changing the spell name (30 seconds per spell).
Yes, they could've created a TOGGLE 2014 ON/OFF button and 2024 ON/OFF button... But they're a company, they want to sell their new toy. Frustrating, perhaps, but not really unexpected. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
not so easy. Anything that references or grants a spell will be switched to the new rules. To continue using the 2014 rules going forward without constantly checking the compendium: • every legacy subclass that grants 2014 spells needs to be homebrewed • every legacy item that grants 2014 spells needs to be homebrewed • every legacy monster that casts 2014 spells will need to be homebrewed It gets more complicated though: • every warlock invocation that grants 2014 spells cannot be homebrewed so they'll always display 2024 spells. • every legacy class that grants extra spells (mainly through the Tasha's expanded lists) cannot be homebrewed so they'll always display 2024 spells. Basically, if you want to use purely 2014 rules on DnDBeyond without constantly going through the compendium, you're screwed.
> You have to toggle Legacy access to it on the character sheet. But even if you do, you'll only get access to some of the old content, not all of it.
Great, so i'm losing access to sourcebooks i *purchased*?
Not quite. You're not "losing access to sourcebooks", you still have them on the compendium. You're "losing access to a portion of the sourcebooks on the character sheet". There's a slight difference.
If you've purchased just the compendium (which was cheaper), you're unaffected. If you've purchased the compendium + character sheet bloatware bundle, most of your purchase is still there, but you'll be losing part of it.
If there truly is some legitimate reason why you can't add a toggle for spells and magic items, TELL US THAT REASON.
And there's a partial solution to the problem, have a staff member homebrew every 2014 spell and magic item that was changed and let them publish it. Then we could just search the homebrew page by their username and get the spells. It doesn't solve a bunch of other problems but it would help.
Regardless of whether we like or want to use the 5.24 rule set, many of our tables have chosen to finish current campaigns with the 5.14 rules and interactions. This creates such a pain point for no reason other than forced adoption. This should have been easy, copy everything tag the copied files as legacy, update original files to 5.24 rules/descriptions. Provide a toggle for what content you choose to use. We literally could have had “Legacy D&D”.
If there truly is some legitimate reason why you can't add a toggle for spells and magic items, TELL US THAT REASON.
And there's a partial solution to the problem, have a staff member homebrew every 2014 spell and magic item that was changed and let them publish it. Then we could just search the homebrew page by their username and get the spells. It doesn't solve a bunch of other problems but it would help.
(Disclaimer: I don't subscribe to the following, but that's pretty much the rationale)
You want people to move to the new system and buy the new books. But a lot of people just won't do that, they can't handle the idea of playing a new game, or deal with the hassle of tweaking their current game to a new system.
So what do you do? Give up on that market?
No, ofc not. Instead, you force those people to migrate by generating inconvenience to keep using old content. Why do you care if people will get pissed and refuse to do it, those people weren't going to upgrade anyway, so you didn't really lose anything there. But if you get at least some people to upgrade, that weren't going to already, then you've made a profit.
Just make it able to where we are still able to use 2014 rules on character sheets! Do you not realize that not all of us will be switching to the new 2024 immediately or at all. Really botched the switch over WotC
Cool - so I lose access to the whole reason I pay for your site/digital content, and I have to look it up in a book anyway. I guess a big hearty '**** you' from wizards to everyone whose sunk hundreds of dollars into DNDbeyond.
I was just about to start a new campaign. Guess it's going to be pathfinder now
If there truly is some legitimate reason why you can't add a toggle for spells and magic items, TELL US THAT REASON.
And there's a partial solution to the problem, have a staff member homebrew every 2014 spell and magic item that was changed and let them publish it. Then we could just search the homebrew page by their username and get the spells. It doesn't solve a bunch of other problems but it would help.
(Disclaimer: I don't subscribe to the following, but that's pretty much the rationale)
You want people to move to the new system and buy the new books. But a lot of people just won't do that, they can't handle the idea of playing a new game, or deal with the hassle of tweaking their current game to a new system.
So what do you do? Give up on that market?
No, ofc not. Instead, you force those people to migrate by generating inconvenience to keep using old content. Why do you care if people will get pissed and refuse to do it, those people weren't going to upgrade anyway, so you didn't really lose anything there. But if you get at least some people to upgrade, that weren't going to already, then you've made a profit.
Or you know keep supporting those players so they can keep investing in your game (future adventures, sourcebooks, vtt etc) Instead you alienate like half of your playerbase, who unsubscribe and stop buying your content and end up making a loss. Smart.
I want the content I paid for the way I paid for it. I notice that they took the time to mention only 2 items have changed but they didn't mention some following information.
1. How many spells have changed 2. All NPC stat blocks are being updated to the new format, will this have any significant changes on previous npcs beyond formatting? 3. Do we still need to homebrew entire subclasses to have the same functionality in the character creator/character sheets?
Stop trying to sell us 2024 and tell us what functionality you are retaining for 2014 and how big the differences will be where you are not retaining functionality.
Or you could just make a toggle. You've clearly been able to make multiple versions of spells before, such as Hideous Laughter vs Tasha's Hideous Laughter. As you have given no reason why you can't do this, the assumption of everyone is going to be that there is NO reason why you can't do this, other than because it lessens the amount of money you can squeeze out of the release.
I did, but I'm also one of few people who see this site as a convenience rather than a mandatory part of the game. Even when in the character creator, I often had the compendium open because it was easier than flicking through a bajillion menu options to find Cliff Notes version of a spell or feature.
I am sorry if you view us as using you as a punching bag, but each post you reply to is just "it's still better than before" which is not the topic at hand. Right now for all of us the topic is, "I paid for this, you are now taking away what I paid for."
No one cares if the situation is "Better". If you order a salad, and the waiter brings you a literal sh!t, you correct them and say, "I ordered a salad," and they come back with the same sh!t with lettuce. You were still given sh!t.
It's nothing on you, but everyone else is having a different conversation right now.
I do get that people are wanting to talk about how they are losing hassle-free content, but that is not what they are actually doing with their time in this thread. What they are doing is attacking someone for pages for correcting one bombastic and emotional claim. If they want to talk about how they have to deal with the burden of updated content and the hassle of having to homebrew old content, whatever; I have to homebrew the same content they do and I have my own feelings on that. But I can still acknowledge that getting those updated spells and magic items is more and better than getting nothing at all.
People would have known my position on this if they had even cared to ask, but that isn't as fun as thinly-veiled abuse I guess.
Dude, you're the one arguing, everybody else is in agreement. This is NOT better if you have zero interest in using anything from the 2024 rules. Stop being an apologist, and being so argumentative about something that obviously doesn't impact you at all. If you're happy with the 2024 rules update, then I am happy for YOU, but that doesn't give you license to shit all over everybody else's opinion on the matter.
What they mean is you can go to the book on the sit and the book will be unchanged. They are removing the 2014 data from the character creation. You know the only reason this site is good. I bet they will also force you to use the new 2024 character sheet which I don't like.
See the big bar at the top of your screen? Click "Sources". There, you've accessed the compendium now.
You have to toggle Legacy access to it on the character sheet. But even if you do, you'll only get access to some of the old content, not all of it.
You're asking every player to go through all 400 spells in both PHBs to find out which ones have changed. Then make homebrew copies of the 2024 version and change any text or mechanics of the spell to the 2014 version.
Then go through every Item, Species, Feat and Subclass which gives access to said spells and homebrew them as well to give access to the home-brewed 2014 versions.
And you may think this will be good enough to replicate existing functionality, but it isn't. Because any base class feature which gives access to said spells can not be changed to refer to your 2014 versions because you can't homebrew classes. So you are basically screwed and might as well just use pen and paper.
They are absolutely taking the piss and it's unacceptable.
This doesn't answer our main concern, which is the character sheets. We have all paid a lot of money to have access to the 5th edition ruleset, and now you're expecting us, the consumers, to do extra work to have access to them. And we've already paid for it! I've maintained my subscription throughout your One DnD/Open Licensure debacle so my students can have access to making characters on my campaign, and they're going to lose that access because of these changes. IF this goes through, I'm going to have my players transition to a completely different system, and cancel my subscription. Do not ruin the accessibility because you so desperately want to make a quick buck.
not so easy.
Anything that references or grants a spell will be switched to the new rules. To continue using the 2014 rules going forward without constantly checking the compendium:
• every legacy subclass that grants 2014 spells needs to be homebrewed
• every legacy item that grants 2014 spells needs to be homebrewed
• every legacy monster that casts 2014 spells will need to be homebrewed It gets more complicated though:
• every warlock invocation that grants 2014 spells cannot be homebrewed so they'll always display 2024 spells.
• every legacy class that grants extra spells (mainly through the Tasha's expanded lists) cannot be homebrewed so they'll always display 2024 spells. Basically, if you want to use purely 2014 rules on DnDBeyond without constantly going through the compendium, you're screwed.
Great, so i'm losing access to sourcebooks i purchased?
Not quite. You're not "losing access to sourcebooks", you still have them on the compendium. You're "losing access to a portion of the sourcebooks on the character sheet". There's a slight difference.
If you've purchased just the compendium (which was cheaper), you're unaffected. If you've purchased the compendium + character sheet bloatware bundle, most of your purchase is still there, but you'll be losing part of it.
Corpo speak for the people are wrong and not conforming while a lot of the people are not wrong and expect better.
If there truly is some legitimate reason why you can't add a toggle for spells and magic items, TELL US THAT REASON.
And there's a partial solution to the problem, have a staff member homebrew every 2014 spell and magic item that was changed and let them publish it. Then we could just search the homebrew page by their username and get the spells. It doesn't solve a bunch of other problems but it would help.
Regardless of whether we like or want to use the 5.24 rule set, many of our tables have chosen to finish current campaigns with the 5.14 rules and interactions. This creates such a pain point for no reason other than forced adoption. This should have been easy, copy everything tag the copied files as legacy, update original files to 5.24 rules/descriptions. Provide a toggle for what content you choose to use. We literally could have had “Legacy D&D”.
(Disclaimer: I don't subscribe to the following, but that's pretty much the rationale)
You want people to move to the new system and buy the new books. But a lot of people just won't do that, they can't handle the idea of playing a new game, or deal with the hassle of tweaking their current game to a new system.
So what do you do? Give up on that market?
No, ofc not. Instead, you force those people to migrate by generating inconvenience to keep using old content. Why do you care if people will get pissed and refuse to do it, those people weren't going to upgrade anyway, so you didn't really lose anything there. But if you get at least some people to upgrade, that weren't going to already, then you've made a profit.
Just make it able to where we are still able to use 2014 rules on character sheets! Do you not realize that not all of us will be switching to the new 2024 immediately or at all. Really botched the switch over WotC
I don't know how to tell you this - but giving me a free thing that I didn't want in the first place doesn't make me any happier about this situation.
I was happy to keep paying a subscription to play 5e 2014 unchanged - I have no intention of switching to the 2024 in the foreseeable future.
So you were never going to get money from me for the new books, but you will lose the money of my subscription.
Cool - so I lose access to the whole reason I pay for your site/digital content, and I have to look it up in a book anyway. I guess a big hearty '**** you' from wizards to everyone whose sunk hundreds of dollars into DNDbeyond.
I was just about to start a new campaign. Guess it's going to be pathfinder now
Or you know keep supporting those players so they can keep investing in your game (future adventures, sourcebooks, vtt etc) Instead you alienate like half of your playerbase, who unsubscribe and stop buying your content and end up making a loss. Smart.
I do not want free content.
I want the content I paid for the way I paid for it. I notice that they took the time to mention only 2 items have changed but they didn't mention some following information.
1. How many spells have changed
2. All NPC stat blocks are being updated to the new format, will this have any significant changes on previous npcs beyond formatting?
3. Do we still need to homebrew entire subclasses to have the same functionality in the character creator/character sheets?
Stop trying to sell us 2024 and tell us what functionality you are retaining for 2014 and how big the differences will be where you are not retaining functionality.
Or you could just make a toggle. You've clearly been able to make multiple versions of spells before, such as Hideous Laughter vs Tasha's Hideous Laughter. As you have given no reason why you can't do this, the assumption of everyone is going to be that there is NO reason why you can't do this, other than because it lessens the amount of money you can squeeze out of the release.
I did, but I'm also one of few people who see this site as a convenience rather than a mandatory part of the game. Even when in the character creator, I often had the compendium open because it was easier than flicking through a bajillion menu options to find Cliff Notes version of a spell or feature.
Dude, you're the one arguing, everybody else is in agreement. This is NOT better if you have zero interest in using anything from the 2024 rules. Stop being an apologist, and being so argumentative about something that obviously doesn't impact you at all. If you're happy with the 2024 rules update, then I am happy for YOU, but that doesn't give you license to shit all over everybody else's opinion on the matter.
Soo... Can I skip class tomorrow?