Oh boy, I sure do love losing access to the things i spent money on
Too bad you're just the vocal minority, otherwise this might actually be something WotC would take into consideration.
I feel like you're intentionally trying to be antagonist there, but if that really is WotC's position they should give the mods the go ahead to tell us. It'd genuinely be useful to hear a "No we're not doing that" so we can know for sure whether to go or not.
That's essentially what we've been told so far.
Am I intentionally being antagonistic? I think I've been antagonized. I'm acting accordingly.
Without reading your other posts, it did come off as antagonistic to me. But reading your other posts I understand how to (correctly) interpret your post.
It's been a day since this "clarification" and 3+ days since the initial announcement.
Hey DnD Beyond staff, you've probably gathered some significant feedback to this change by now. Do you have a response beyond "we're listening to you"? Any consideration at all for the people who weren't planning to update rules before you forced us into it?
It's unlikely that the relevant decision makers are in their offices at the moment. I expect they'll have a meeting on Monday which will probably fail to come to a decision (because, frankly, no good fix exists; they need to have a 2024 compatible character creator available by the time the PHB launches, that's really non-negotiable, and there just isn't enough time to create an alternative to the path they're currently on), resulting in some sort of announcement that won't make anyone happy sometime later.
At this point they should just delay the dndbeyond updates until the monster manual comes out next year. Will save them so much headache and give them time to make the tool actually work for everyone. Nobody would have an issue with it if they were transparent with the community and said they needed more time to make sure no existing characters break
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
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"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
I play hybrid games. Some players are digital, others physical.
My physical players often use spell cards, which hasn’t been an issue when quickly trying to pull up the digital version to read the wording and use of said spells. They don’t want to go virtual, and this is going to have them dig their heels in more towards making that change, since they will lose control of the version they want to play.
Yet, this change basically requires that they do go virtual in order to maintain consistency, because their version of spells will be different than the virtual players, especially if we need to make rulings on spell wording in various situations, or how one spell interacts with another.
A toggle to let people select the 2014 and/or 2024 version of spells/items will give players the flexibility they need to play with the rulesets that they want to play with, so people are able to change if, as, and when they want to. Taking away people’s choices does not earn more customers.
Its not even just the Spells though, Items need the same toggle, and so do the Rulesets, there are going to be widespread changes to the character sheets that won't match what we had before in regards to:
It's been a day since this "clarification" and 3+ days since the initial announcement.
Hey DnD Beyond staff, you've probably gathered some significant feedback to this change by now. Do you have a response beyond "we're listening to you"? Any consideration at all for the people who weren't planning to update rules before you forced us into it?
It's unlikely that the relevant decision makers are in their offices at the moment. I expect they'll have a meeting on Monday which will probably fail to come to a decision (because, frankly, no good fix exists; they need to have a 2024 compatible character creator available by the time the PHB launches, that's really non-negotiable, and there just isn't enough time to create an alternative to the path they're currently on), resulting in some sort of announcement that won't make anyone happy sometime later.
At this point they should just delay the dndbeyond updates until the monster manual comes out next year. Will save them so much headache and give them time to make the tool actually work for everyone. Nobody would have an issue with it if they were transparent with the community and said they needed more time to make sure no existing characters break
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
The difference is nothing is going to irrevocably become broken and unusable if they delayed this. I bet most dndbeyond users don't even know there's a new edition of the game coming out and have no idea that next week their existing character sheets are gonna be broken until the show up for their weekly game and find out everything is changed, and basically wreck their entire experience
It's been a day since this "clarification" and 3+ days since the initial announcement.
Hey DnD Beyond staff, you've probably gathered some significant feedback to this change by now. Do you have a response beyond "we're listening to you"? Any consideration at all for the people who weren't planning to update rules before you forced us into it?
It's unlikely that the relevant decision makers are in their offices at the moment. I expect they'll have a meeting on Monday which will probably fail to come to a decision (because, frankly, no good fix exists; they need to have a 2024 compatible character creator available by the time the PHB launches, that's really non-negotiable, and there just isn't enough time to create an alternative to the path they're currently on), resulting in some sort of announcement that won't make anyone happy sometime later.
At this point they should just delay the dndbeyond updates until the monster manual comes out next year. Will save them so much headache and give them time to make the tool actually work for everyone. Nobody would have an issue with it if they were transparent with the community and said they needed more time to make sure no existing characters break
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
I just want them to introduce a toggle, or leave 5E character sheets alone and let people choose what system they make the character with. The built in mechanical support for 5E character sheets is being dumped immediately. Telling people to go back and create homebrew for each and every entry is not remotely a viable solution, especially when the homebrew requires a subscription to access in the first place.
Will we have access to them in the character sheets still? I don't care about the compendium.
ETA: Even if the intent was always for these to remain in character sheets, the backlash is pretty indicative of how much trust the community has in WoTC at this point: none.
It's been a day since this "clarification" and 3+ days since the initial announcement.
Hey DnD Beyond staff, you've probably gathered some significant feedback to this change by now. Do you have a response beyond "we're listening to you"? Any consideration at all for the people who weren't planning to update rules before you forced us into it?
It's unlikely that the relevant decision makers are in their offices at the moment. I expect they'll have a meeting on Monday which will probably fail to come to a decision (because, frankly, no good fix exists; they need to have a 2024 compatible character creator available by the time the PHB launches, that's really non-negotiable, and there just isn't enough time to create an alternative to the path they're currently on), resulting in some sort of announcement that won't make anyone happy sometime later.
At this point they should just delay the dndbeyond updates until the monster manual comes out next year. Will save them so much headache and give them time to make the tool actually work for everyone. Nobody would have an issue with it if they were transparent with the community and said they needed more time to make sure no existing characters break
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
The difference is nothing is going to irrevocably become broken and unusable if they delayed this. I bet most dndbeyond users don't even know there's a new edition of the game coming out and have no idea that next week their existing character sheets are gonna be broken until the show up for their weekly game and find out everything is changed, and basically wreck their entire experience
Unless they've had their heads buried in sand, they know there's a 2024 update coming. It's literally on the front page of the website.
And nothing's being broken, it's being updated. It's just being updated in a way people dislike, which I understand, but that doesn't mean that preventing us from getting what we paid for would be a better deal than preventing you from losing what you paid for. There are solutions available, I just hope they can implement one.
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Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
I think there's four things they could do to somewhat salvage this, but I don't believe they're capable of doing it.
1) Apologise for the way this has been handled.
2) Explain why we have been mislead for months and why the changes have been sprung on us at the last minute.
3) Come up with a temporary fix *and* commit to sorting out legacy content properly in a timely matter (say 3-6 months depending how well the temporary fix works). A duplicate site as suggested above would be a quick fix, but probably not a permanent one it means double the maintenance etc.
4) Commit to communicating with users in future we'll in advance of changes *and* actually listen and respond to concerns. This would be the most important to me, there's no point in returning to the site if we continue to have issues every few months.
This wouldn't fix everything. Many people have already lost trust and permanently left, but I think many others would return. But only if the commitments for 3 & 4 seem genuine, and they would be 'on probation" until they could regain trust.
I just want them to introduce a toggle, or leave 5E character sheets alone and let people choose what system they make the character with.
It's certainly what they should have done... but it's probably not something they can actually build before in the time remaining before launch.
They literally could just make a backup of the old website system, and then add tags for each page and version and add legacy tags/content as they did with previous rulebooks and updates. They're just being lazy web developers.
I just want them to introduce a toggle, or leave 5E character sheets alone and let people choose what system they make the character with.
It's certainly what they should have done... but it's probably not something they can actually build before in the time remaining before launch.
Millions of users are gonna rock up to their weekly 2014 session, open up their character sheet and find that it's completely changed to a 2024 character sheet with 2024 references and 2024 spells. And they'll be completely blindsided because communication about this happening has been abysmal with very little time to prepare.
Their finely crafted and beloved characters will be butchered because some greedy exec thought it's cool to f**k over their customers
You can't update D&D like you would a video game. TTRPGs have never worked that way. If you solution is to "just homebrew it", why would I ever buy another product from you?
Because of your own horrible idea to forcibly foist the new 2024 ruleset onto customers who don't want to use it and to override current character sheets with this new dogma is underhanded and short-sighted. When you have an already implemented legacy tag and toggle systems that would allow customers to use previously bought and still used content you will have rafts of people fleeing the platform to escape your newly birthed "Digital Hegemony". I for one will be one of them as I will not be using the new rules. If I cannot use the platform the way I have been, which is mainly as a quick and easy character builder, with the rules I want to use, then Hasbro/Wotc will not profit from my patronage.
It's been a day since this "clarification" and 3+ days since the initial announcement.
Hey DnD Beyond staff, you've probably gathered some significant feedback to this change by now. Do you have a response beyond "we're listening to you"? Any consideration at all for the people who weren't planning to update rules before you forced us into it?
It's unlikely that the relevant decision makers are in their offices at the moment. I expect they'll have a meeting on Monday which will probably fail to come to a decision (because, frankly, no good fix exists; they need to have a 2024 compatible character creator available by the time the PHB launches, that's really non-negotiable, and there just isn't enough time to create an alternative to the path they're currently on), resulting in some sort of announcement that won't make anyone happy sometime later.
At this point they should just delay the dndbeyond updates until the monster manual comes out next year. Will save them so much headache and give them time to make the tool actually work for everyone. Nobody would have an issue with it if they were transparent with the community and said they needed more time to make sure no existing characters break
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
The difference is nothing is going to irrevocably become broken and unusable if they delayed this. I bet most dndbeyond users don't even know there's a new edition of the game coming out and have no idea that next week their existing character sheets are gonna be broken until the show up for their weekly game and find out everything is changed, and basically wreck their entire experience
Unless they've had their heads buried in sand, they know there's a 2024 update coming. It's literally on the front page of the website.
And nothing's being broken, it's being updated. It's just being updated in a way people dislike, which I understand, but that doesn't mean that preventing us from getting what we paid for would be a better deal than preventing you from losing what you paid for. There are solutions available, I just hope they can implement one.
I bet the way most of the user base uses the website is they open the site once a week, straight to their character sheet, when their session starts, and close it when it ends, and not look at it again for another week unless they are levelling up. Or they use the mobile app. In either case they aren't going to the home page or the forums or the changelog so I imagine there's maybe like 50 thousand users that are aware stuff is gonna change overnight come Wednesday but millions who have no clue anything is even going on
I have been so optimistic about the upcoming updates until this weekend. Usually I champion for the simplicity of D&D Beyond, and I create the homebrew for my table usually, but if there is no simplicity and now me making homebrew is the only way we can play easily, it makes it very difficult to keep a nice word about D&D Beyond from me. Please make it so we can keep playing the way we've always done with our 2014 character sheets and have a method to also play with the 2024 character sheet without losing anything or being crazy difficult for apparently no reason except to upset the community. Our DM is very nervous about all this, and I can see why.
It's been a day since this "clarification" and 3+ days since the initial announcement.
Hey DnD Beyond staff, you've probably gathered some significant feedback to this change by now. Do you have a response beyond "we're listening to you"? Any consideration at all for the people who weren't planning to update rules before you forced us into it?
It's unlikely that the relevant decision makers are in their offices at the moment. I expect they'll have a meeting on Monday which will probably fail to come to a decision (because, frankly, no good fix exists; they need to have a 2024 compatible character creator available by the time the PHB launches, that's really non-negotiable, and there just isn't enough time to create an alternative to the path they're currently on), resulting in some sort of announcement that won't make anyone happy sometime later.
At this point they should just delay the dndbeyond updates until the monster manual comes out next year. Will save them so much headache and give them time to make the tool actually work for everyone. Nobody would have an issue with it if they were transparent with the community and said they needed more time to make sure no existing characters break
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
The difference is nothing is going to irrevocably become broken and unusable if they delayed this. I bet most dndbeyond users don't even know there's a new edition of the game coming out and have no idea that next week their existing character sheets are gonna be broken until the show up for their weekly game and find out everything is changed, and basically wreck their entire experience
Unless they've had their heads buried in sand, they know there's a 2024 update coming. It's literally on the front page of the website.
And nothing's being broken, it's being updated. It's just being updated in a way people dislike, which I understand, but that doesn't mean that preventing us from getting what we paid for would be a better deal than preventing you from losing what you paid for. There are solutions available, I just hope they can implement one.
I can't believe we keep having to go through this, but 2014 characters are being broken, there will be no way to use them after the switchover.
We have been told repeatedly by Wotc and DDB that 2014 characters are still valid under 5E rules and that we would not need to switch. DDB, as the official toolset of D&D has an obligation to maintain both rulesets.
They have been very clear that the 2024 rules are not a new edition, not errata, and not a replacement for the 2014 rules. They are an updated version that *can* be used instead of 2014 rules, and should be treated the same as any other updated content such as MMotM, I.e. the old should be preserved under a legacy tag.
Most users do not use the forums or read the changelogs. The messaging from DDB & WotC has been that nothing will change unless you choose to upgrade, and nothing on the front page has contradicted that. The first they'll know about the forced update is when they login in and have a confusing mix of a character with bits from both rulesets.
They literally could just make a backup of the old website system, and then add tags for each page and version and add legacy tags/content as they did with previous rulebooks and updates. They're just being lazy web developers.
They've got a week, it's not enough time to do any substantive development. What they should have done is announced their migration plans back in June, at which point they would actually be able to respond to feedback (assuming they hired sufficient staff to be able to do it, which I somewhat doubt).
It's been a day since this "clarification" and 3+ days since the initial announcement.
Hey DnD Beyond staff, you've probably gathered some significant feedback to this change by now. Do you have a response beyond "we're listening to you"? Any consideration at all for the people who weren't planning to update rules before you forced us into it?
It's unlikely that the relevant decision makers are in their offices at the moment. I expect they'll have a meeting on Monday which will probably fail to come to a decision (because, frankly, no good fix exists; they need to have a 2024 compatible character creator available by the time the PHB launches, that's really non-negotiable, and there just isn't enough time to create an alternative to the path they're currently on), resulting in some sort of announcement that won't make anyone happy sometime later.
At this point they should just delay the dndbeyond updates until the monster manual comes out next year. Will save them so much headache and give them time to make the tool actually work for everyone. Nobody would have an issue with it if they were transparent with the community and said they needed more time to make sure no existing characters break
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
The difference is nothing is going to irrevocably become broken and unusable if they delayed this. I bet most dndbeyond users don't even know there's a new edition of the game coming out and have no idea that next week their existing character sheets are gonna be broken until the show up for their weekly game and find out everything is changed, and basically wreck their entire experience
Unless they've had their heads buried in sand, they know there's a 2024 update coming. It's literally on the front page of the website.
And nothing's being broken, it's being updated. It's just being updated in a way people dislike, which I understand, but that doesn't mean that preventing us from getting what we paid for would be a better deal than preventing you from losing what you paid for. There are solutions available, I just hope they can implement one.
I bet the way most of the user base uses the website is they open the site once a week, straight to their character sheet, when their session starts, and close it when it ends, and not look at it again for another week unless they are levelling up. Or they use the mobile app. In either case they aren't going to the home page or the forums or the changelog so I imagine there's maybe like 50 thousand users that are aware stuff is gonna change overnight come Wednesday but millions who have no clue anything is even going on
And I bet that DDB / WotC has actual user metrics and they've been advertising the 2024 update for months all over everything. I'm not saying this is the way they should be implementing things on DDB but I am saying that they probably know how people hit their site and have been crafting messages to make sure folks know. After all, they want to sell books.
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Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien "Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
I want to address the comments saying I'm not losing anything I paid for because I still have the compendium. When I bought the 2014 rule set you could still buy a la carte, you could pay a lower price for the compendium or a higher price for the compendium and the usage of those rules in the character builder. You could also buy individual chunks of the rules for usage in the character builder. So as I chose to pay the higher price to get both the compendium and the usage of those rules in the character builder I am losing things I paid for.
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That's a crit...I use my lucky to make you re-roll that....and that is still a crit.
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Without reading your other posts, it did come off as antagonistic to me. But reading your other posts I understand how to (correctly) interpret your post.
So then what about all of us that bought the 2024 update and expect it to be ready to rock on release day? You want to turn around and do to us what you're saying is being done to you?
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
Its not even just the Spells though, Items need the same toggle, and so do the Rulesets, there are going to be widespread changes to the character sheets that won't match what we had before in regards to:
The difference is nothing is going to irrevocably become broken and unusable if they delayed this. I bet most dndbeyond users don't even know there's a new edition of the game coming out and have no idea that next week their existing character sheets are gonna be broken until the show up for their weekly game and find out everything is changed, and basically wreck their entire experience
I just want them to introduce a toggle, or leave 5E character sheets alone and let people choose what system they make the character with. The built in mechanical support for 5E character sheets is being dumped immediately. Telling people to go back and create homebrew for each and every entry is not remotely a viable solution, especially when the homebrew requires a subscription to access in the first place.
Will we have access to them in the character sheets still? I don't care about the compendium.
ETA: Even if the intent was always for these to remain in character sheets, the backlash is pretty indicative of how much trust the community has in WoTC at this point: none.
Nothing will become irrevocably broken and unusable whether or not they delay it.
It's certainly what they should have done... but it's probably not something they can actually build before in the time remaining before launch.
Unless they've had their heads buried in sand, they know there's a 2024 update coming. It's literally on the front page of the website.
And nothing's being broken, it's being updated. It's just being updated in a way people dislike, which I understand, but that doesn't mean that preventing us from getting what we paid for would be a better deal than preventing you from losing what you paid for. There are solutions available, I just hope they can implement one.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
I think there's four things they could do to somewhat salvage this, but I don't believe they're capable of doing it.
1) Apologise for the way this has been handled.
2) Explain why we have been mislead for months and why the changes have been sprung on us at the last minute.
3) Come up with a temporary fix *and* commit to sorting out legacy content properly in a timely matter (say 3-6 months depending how well the temporary fix works). A duplicate site as suggested above would be a quick fix, but probably not a permanent one it means double the maintenance etc.
4) Commit to communicating with users in future we'll in advance of changes *and* actually listen and respond to concerns. This would be the most important to me, there's no point in returning to the site if we continue to have issues every few months.
This wouldn't fix everything. Many people have already lost trust and permanently left, but I think many others would return. But only if the commitments for 3 & 4 seem genuine, and they would be 'on probation" until they could regain trust.
They literally could just make a backup of the old website system, and then add tags for each page and version and add legacy tags/content as they did with previous rulebooks and updates. They're just being lazy web developers.
Millions of users are gonna rock up to their weekly 2014 session, open up their character sheet and find that it's completely changed to a 2024 character sheet with 2024 references and 2024 spells. And they'll be completely blindsided because communication about this happening has been abysmal with very little time to prepare.
Their finely crafted and beloved characters will be butchered because some greedy exec thought it's cool to f**k over their customers
Gotta agree that this could have been clarified better yeah. I dont know why hasbro/wotc fails to have a good pr team.
Am glad the content will still all be available but hopefully it works the same with the actual sheet side of dndbeyond.
You can't update D&D like you would a video game. TTRPGs have never worked that way. If you solution is to "just homebrew it", why would I ever buy another product from you?
Because of your own horrible idea to forcibly foist the new 2024 ruleset onto customers who don't want to use it and to override current character sheets with this new dogma is underhanded and short-sighted. When you have an already implemented legacy tag and toggle systems that would allow customers to use previously bought and still used content you will have rafts of people fleeing the platform to escape your newly birthed "Digital Hegemony". I for one will be one of them as I will not be using the new rules. If I cannot use the platform the way I have been, which is mainly as a quick and easy character builder, with the rules I want to use, then Hasbro/Wotc will not profit from my patronage.
I bet the way most of the user base uses the website is they open the site once a week, straight to their character sheet, when their session starts, and close it when it ends, and not look at it again for another week unless they are levelling up. Or they use the mobile app. In either case they aren't going to the home page or the forums or the changelog so I imagine there's maybe like 50 thousand users that are aware stuff is gonna change overnight come Wednesday but millions who have no clue anything is even going on
I have been so optimistic about the upcoming updates until this weekend. Usually I champion for the simplicity of D&D Beyond, and I create the homebrew for my table usually, but if there is no simplicity and now me making homebrew is the only way we can play easily, it makes it very difficult to keep a nice word about D&D Beyond from me. Please make it so we can keep playing the way we've always done with our 2014 character sheets and have a method to also play with the 2024 character sheet without losing anything or being crazy difficult for apparently no reason except to upset the community. Our DM is very nervous about all this, and I can see why.
I can't believe we keep having to go through this, but 2014 characters are being broken, there will be no way to use them after the switchover.
We have been told repeatedly by Wotc and DDB that 2014 characters are still valid under 5E rules and that we would not need to switch. DDB, as the official toolset of D&D has an obligation to maintain both rulesets.
They have been very clear that the 2024 rules are not a new edition, not errata, and not a replacement for the 2014 rules. They are an updated version that *can* be used instead of 2014 rules, and should be treated the same as any other updated content such as MMotM, I.e. the old should be preserved under a legacy tag.
Most users do not use the forums or read the changelogs. The messaging from DDB & WotC has been that nothing will change unless you choose to upgrade, and nothing on the front page has contradicted that. The first they'll know about the forced update is when they login in and have a confusing mix of a character with bits from both rulesets.
They've got a week, it's not enough time to do any substantive development. What they should have done is announced their migration plans back in June, at which point they would actually be able to respond to feedback (assuming they hired sufficient staff to be able to do it, which I somewhat doubt).
And I bet that DDB / WotC has actual user metrics and they've been advertising the 2024 update for months all over everything. I'm not saying this is the way they should be implementing things on DDB but I am saying that they probably know how people hit their site and have been crafting messages to make sure folks know. After all, they want to sell books.
Grant K. Smith
A+, Network+, MCP x 2, BSIT/VC, MIS
Software Engineer & Dungeon Master
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger." - J. R. R. Tolkien
"Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup" - Anonymous
I want to address the comments saying I'm not losing anything I paid for because I still have the compendium. When I bought the 2014 rule set you could still buy a la carte, you could pay a lower price for the compendium or a higher price for the compendium and the usage of those rules in the character builder. You could also buy individual chunks of the rules for usage in the character builder. So as I chose to pay the higher price to get both the compendium and the usage of those rules in the character builder I am losing things I paid for.
That's a crit...I use my lucky to make you re-roll that....and that is still a crit.