Out of curiosity, do the secondary arms on a Thri-Kreen essentially get around the Dueling RAI? Bearing in mind that the secondary arms are limited to Light weapons alone, which isn't nothing but does lock out some of the harder-hitting weaponry.
The Dueling fighting style says it applies "when you're holding a melee weapon in one hand and no other weapons". The number of hands you have has no effect on this.
That's rules as written, sure. I'd argue that since most species lack secondary arms it makes sense, but since Thri-Kreen explicitly and as far as I know uniquely have secondary arms which can hold Light weapons, RAW doesn't neatly apply.
That's rules as written, sure. I'd argue that since most species lack secondary arms it makes sense, but since Thri-Kreen explicitly and as far as I know uniquely have secondary arms which can hold Light weapons, RAW doesn't neatly apply.
If you want your Thri-Kreen to hold multiple weapons, they can't make use of the Dueling fighting style. Period
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I would agree that no matter the Species that is selected, the Rules As Written still apply.
The intent of the Dueling Fighting Style is to mimic a sword duel where both parties only have one weapon to duel with. Think old-school "I challenge you to a duel" mentality... they were grabbing a single weapon and seeing who wins.
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A Dueling Thri-kreen could hold a weapon, a shield, and one or two tiny objects such as spellcasting focus, magic item, tool, vial of acid, alchemical fire, holy water or oil for example.
That's rules as written, sure. I'd argue that since most species lack secondary arms it makes sense, but since Thri-Kreen explicitly and as far as I know uniquely have secondary arms which can hold Light weapons, RAW doesn't neatly apply.
I'm not sure what you mean here; it seems like the rule is pretty clearly laid out to me. What exactly are you thinking it might do differently?
I might have been overcomplicating it, to be honest. In my mind's eye, Dueling seems to fit the mold as described above of someone saying avant garde! and it's like you have your sword in one hand and maybe a shield or whatever in the other. For all species save one that fits just fine because they only have the 2 arms anyway.
Thri-Kreen with their secondary arms then don't get the full use of their secondary arm features, despite that being a unique feature of their species. Sure, they can do all the other things except hold a weapon with their secondary arms and still be considered "Dueling" - but that still feels a bit watered down given that they have those 2 extra arms to hold any number of things including Light weapons.
But it's not that big of a deal in my game, really. Seems like the folks here don't see this in the way that folks on other forums were, and that's kinda what I was scoping out for anyway.
The intent of the rule is "no, you cannot combine this with two weapon fighting", though the two weapon fighting rules are such a mess that you actually can.
The intent of the rule is "no, you cannot combine this with two weapon fighting", though the two weapon fighting rules are such a mess that you actually can.
Kinda what started this line of questioning, really. My player is debating fighting styles and accompanying feats for their 4-armed bug. I suggested the simple path of Dueling or GWM, and it prompted the question of what about those two extra arms. The watered-down answer of "yeah, but still, no Light weapons but everything else they can carry" is probably the easiest way to go, even if there's potentially an in arguendo there about form vs function.
The main useful interaction for the extra arms is that it allows a spellcaster with weapon and shield to also perform somatic components, in case you lack a class feature that permits it.
Dueling is meant to represent the fine control you get while wielding a relatively light weapon with one hand, like with a fencing foil. If you are using additional weapons, you have more things that require your focus.
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Out of curiosity, do the secondary arms on a Thri-Kreen essentially get around the Dueling RAI? Bearing in mind that the secondary arms are limited to Light weapons alone, which isn't nothing but does lock out some of the harder-hitting weaponry.
The Dueling fighting style says it applies "when you're holding a melee weapon in one hand and no other weapons". The number of hands you have has no effect on this.
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That's rules as written, sure. I'd argue that since most species lack secondary arms it makes sense, but since Thri-Kreen explicitly and as far as I know uniquely have secondary arms which can hold Light weapons, RAW doesn't neatly apply.
RAW in this case matches intended behavior.
If you want your Thri-Kreen to hold multiple weapons, they can't make use of the Dueling fighting style. Period
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I would agree that no matter the Species that is selected, the Rules As Written still apply.
The intent of the Dueling Fighting Style is to mimic a sword duel where both parties only have one weapon to duel with.
Think old-school "I challenge you to a duel" mentality... they were grabbing a single weapon and seeing who wins.
Breathe, dragons; sing of the First World, forged out of chaos and painted with beauty.
Sing of Bahamut, the Platinum, molding the shape of the mountains and rivers;
Sing too of Chromatic Tiamat, painting all over the infinite canvas.
Partnered, they woke in the darkness; partnered, they labored in acts of creation.
A Dueling Thri-kreen could hold a weapon, a shield, and one or two tiny objects such as spellcasting focus, magic item, tool, vial of acid, alchemical fire, holy water or oil for example.
I'm not sure what you mean here; it seems like the rule is pretty clearly laid out to me. What exactly are you thinking it might do differently?
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I might have been overcomplicating it, to be honest. In my mind's eye, Dueling seems to fit the mold as described above of someone saying avant garde! and it's like you have your sword in one hand and maybe a shield or whatever in the other. For all species save one that fits just fine because they only have the 2 arms anyway.
Thri-Kreen with their secondary arms then don't get the full use of their secondary arm features, despite that being a unique feature of their species. Sure, they can do all the other things except hold a weapon with their secondary arms and still be considered "Dueling" - but that still feels a bit watered down given that they have those 2 extra arms to hold any number of things including Light weapons.
But it's not that big of a deal in my game, really. Seems like the folks here don't see this in the way that folks on other forums were, and that's kinda what I was scoping out for anyway.
The intent of the rule is "no, you cannot combine this with two weapon fighting", though the two weapon fighting rules are such a mess that you actually can.
Kinda what started this line of questioning, really. My player is debating fighting styles and accompanying feats for their 4-armed bug. I suggested the simple path of Dueling or GWM, and it prompted the question of what about those two extra arms. The watered-down answer of "yeah, but still, no Light weapons but everything else they can carry" is probably the easiest way to go, even if there's potentially an in arguendo there about form vs function.
The main useful interaction for the extra arms is that it allows a spellcaster with weapon and shield to also perform somatic components, in case you lack a class feature that permits it.
Dueling is meant to represent the fine control you get while wielding a relatively light weapon with one hand, like with a fencing foil. If you are using additional weapons, you have more things that require your focus.