*not actually invisible, but treated as such, which is functionally the same.
You are invisible to creature with darkvision. You have the invisible condition actually. You're not treated as such while not actually invisible...text literally says you are invisible so you are.
Well, no. You are treated as if you have the invisible condition with certain creatures, but don't have it in general. If you actually had the condition, all creatures would have disadvantage attacking you and you would have advantage on all attacks (because that is the effect of the condition if you have it).
It is like how creatures are treated as blinded when looking into heavily obscured areas/darkness, but aren't actually blinded in general.
It’s a powerful feature, but more or less situational. Even if you are playing a dungeon crawl or an Underdark campaign, natural sources of dim light are not uncommon and even a small torch can counter Umbral Sight. At higher levels, stronger creatures usually have better senses than Darkvision, so it’s important to align your expectations.
I’m playing a Goblin Gloomstalker in a full dungeon exploration campaign and I could say I had the benefits of Umbral Sight 40% of the time. All my allies have Darkvision, so we don’t need torches. Otherwise I wouldn’t have any opportunity to leverage this ability. Party composition is important, that’s why I strongly recommend Bullseye Lantern in case you have allies in your group without Darkvision. If everyone has Darkvision, then it’s fine.
Another thing to consider with Umbral Sight is that it affect any creatures, including your allies, which means that any effect that affect creatures you can see won't affect you, such as Haste or Healing Word etc...
Another thing to consider with Umbral Sight is that it affect any creatures, including your allies, which means that any effect that affect creatures you can see won't affect you, such as Haste or Healing Word etc...
Right, but many builds plan around that anyway, like a Warlock or Shadow Monk building around casting Darkness on themselves. The really critical piece in general is having an exit strategy, which for Gloomstalkers means carrying a light source so they can become visible when they need to be.
I know I'm late to this but I just thought about a different circumstance. What would happen if a darkvision creature casted See Invisibility? They can now see invisibly things BUT they are still relying on their darkvision to see you. A creature that does not have darkvision cannot see invisible creatures that are in darkness with this spell. So could the caster see the not truly invisible creature using this spell since they are still using their darkvision to be able to see them?
I know I'm late to this but I just thought about a different circumstance. What would happen if a darkvision creature casted See Invisibility? They can now see invisibly things BUT they are still relying on their darkvision to see you. A creature that does not have darkvision cannot see invisible creatures that are in darkness with this spell. So could the caster see the not truly invisible creature using this spell since they are still using their darkvision to be able to see them?
While the spell [Tooltip Not Found] is active, you will be seen in darkness only by creatures with darkvision. You are not invisible to those without darkvision, they are instead blinded when trying to see something in darkness.
I'm not sure what you are saying. They are relying on darkvision to be able to see you, correct? The see invisibility spell would only reveal invisible creatures in a place where you would normally be able to see them. I would be inclined to allow it to work but it was an interesting thought in my head.
So if a Gloom Stalker is running point/scouting in the Underdark and there is no sources of light, would that Gloom Stalker be considered to have basically Greater Invisibility unless the other creature had some other form of vision or sense to counter it the Umbral Sight?
So if a Gloom Stalker is running point/scouting in the Underdark and there is no sources of light, would that Gloom Stalker be considered to have basically Greater Invisibility unless the other creature had some other form of vision or sense to counter it the Umbral Sight?
Umbral sight has nothing to do with Invisibility spells. It instead makes you invisible to any creature that relies on darkvision while in darkness. The condition itself doesn't inherently ends when attacking, it's more the spell or feature that will say otherwise.
So if a Gloom Stalker is running point/scouting in the Underdark and there is no sources of light, would that Gloom Stalker be considered to have basically Greater Invisibility unless the other creature had some other form of vision or sense to counter it the Umbral Sight?
Umbral sight has nothing to do with Invisibility spells. It instead makes you invisible to any creature that relies on darkvision while in darkness. The condition itself doesn't inherently ends when attacking, it's more the spell or feature that will say otherwise.
To expand on this, it basically gives you the invisible condition against creatures with darkvision.
It doesn’t affect creatures with other vision types such as tremor sense, blind sight, true sight or devil sight. It literally only affects creatures with dark vision, so there are still a lot of creatures that will see you. Important note, don’t insult your dm by constantly asking but I’m a gloomstalker, how did they see me to hit me? Your dm knows, and (hopefully) isn’t cheating.
It doesn’t affect creatures with other vision types such as tremor sense, blind sight, true sight or devil sight. It literally only affects creatures with dark vision, so there are still a lot of creatures that will see you. Important note, don’t insult your dm by constantly asking but I’m a gloomstalker, how did they see me to hit me? Your dm knows, and (hopefully) isn’t cheating.
Or your DM forgot. It happens, DMs aren't perfect. There are some creatures with blindsight or tremorsense that would be able to detect the gloomstalker but they are somewhat less common than the ones that use darkvision. In addition, if it was a humanoid that detected the character, I would certainly ask if they remembered that the gloomstalker is invisible.
However, being invisible does not necessarily mean hidden. In addition, a creature gives away its location when they make an attack - so the gloomstalker can be attacked at disadvantage but the opponents will know where they are if they have cast a spell or made an attack.
It doesn’t affect creatures with other vision types such as tremor sense, blind sight, true sight or devil sight. It literally only affects creatures with dark vision, so there are still a lot of creatures that will see you. Important note, don’t insult your dm by constantly asking but I’m a gloomstalker, how did they see me to hit me? Your dm knows, and (hopefully) isn’t cheating.
Or your DM forgot. It happens, DMs aren't perfect. There are some creatures with blindsight or tremorsense that would be able to detect the gloomstalker but they are somewhat less common than the ones that use darkvision. In addition, if it was a humanoid that detected the character, I would certainly ask if they remembered that the gloomstalker is invisible.
However, being invisible does not necessarily mean hidden. In addition, a creature gives away its location when they make an attack - so the gloomstalker can be attacked at disadvantage but the opponents will know where they are if they have cast a spell or made an attack.
But the RAW would indicate that UNLESS another form of sense is available attacking or casting spells would NOT reveal the gloom stalkers location?
I have looking for official errata on the ability to indicate otherwise.
It doesn’t affect creatures with other vision types such as tremor sense, blind sight, true sight or devil sight. It literally only affects creatures with dark vision, so there are still a lot of creatures that will see you. Important note, don’t insult your dm by constantly asking but I’m a gloomstalker, how did they see me to hit me? Your dm knows, and (hopefully) isn’t cheating.
Or your DM forgot. It happens, DMs aren't perfect. There are some creatures with blindsight or tremorsense that would be able to detect the gloomstalker but they are somewhat less common than the ones that use darkvision. In addition, if it was a humanoid that detected the character, I would certainly ask if they remembered that the gloomstalker is invisible.
However, being invisible does not necessarily mean hidden. In addition, a creature gives away its location when they make an attack - so the gloomstalker can be attacked at disadvantage but the opponents will know where they are if they have cast a spell or made an attack.
But the RAW would indicate that UNLESS another form of sense is available attacking or casting spells would NOT reveal the gloom stalkers location?
I have looking for official errata on the ability to indicate otherwise.
Hearing and smell are two other senses that can be used to detect location RAW, being invisible doesn’t mean hidden
Invisible
An invisible creature is impossible to see without the aid of magic or a special sense. For the purpose of hiding, the creature is heavily obscured. The creature's location can be detected by any noise it makes or any tracks it leaves.
Attack rolls against the creature have disadvantage, and the creature's attack rolls have advantage.
There is also the blind fighting fighting style which will detect the gloomstalker as long as it is in range. It really comes down to the campaign. In the dungeon I am running at the moment (official module not homebrew) at least 75% of the bad guys either have blindsight or tremorsense. The player with is gloomstalker is having a bit of a tough time at the moment, but he is taking it very well. When I went through it as a player there was a gloomstalker player who literally said every time he was hit, “how does he know where I am, I’m invisible” - even when the thing hitting him had multi attack, he complained after each of the attacks. It was very frustrating.
Well, no. You are treated as if you have the invisible condition with certain creatures, but don't have it in general. If you actually had the condition, all creatures would have disadvantage attacking you and you would have advantage on all attacks (because that is the effect of the condition if you have it).
It is like how creatures are treated as blinded when looking into heavily obscured areas/darkness, but aren't actually blinded in general.
It’s a powerful feature, but more or less situational. Even if you are playing a dungeon crawl or an Underdark campaign, natural sources of dim light are not uncommon and even a small torch can counter Umbral Sight. At higher levels, stronger creatures usually have better senses than Darkvision, so it’s important to align your expectations.
I’m playing a Goblin Gloomstalker in a full dungeon exploration campaign and I could say I had the benefits of Umbral Sight 40% of the time. All my allies have Darkvision, so we don’t need torches. Otherwise I wouldn’t have any opportunity to leverage this ability. Party composition is important, that’s why I strongly recommend Bullseye Lantern in case you have allies in your group without Darkvision. If everyone has Darkvision, then it’s fine.
Another thing to consider with Umbral Sight is that it affect any creatures, including your allies, which means that any effect that affect creatures you can see won't affect you, such as Haste or Healing Word etc...
Right, but many builds plan around that anyway, like a Warlock or Shadow Monk building around casting Darkness on themselves. The really critical piece in general is having an exit strategy, which for Gloomstalkers means carrying a light source so they can become visible when they need to be.
I know I'm late to this but I just thought about a different circumstance. What would happen if a darkvision creature casted See Invisibility? They can now see invisibly things BUT they are still relying on their darkvision to see you. A creature that does not have darkvision cannot see invisible creatures that are in darkness with this spell. So could the caster see the not truly invisible creature using this spell since they are still using their darkvision to be able to see them?
While the spell [Tooltip Not Found] is active, you will be seen in darkness only by creatures with darkvision. You are not invisible to those without darkvision, they are instead blinded when trying to see something in darkness.
I'm not sure what you are saying. They are relying on darkvision to be able to see you, correct? The see invisibility spell would only reveal invisible creatures in a place where you would normally be able to see them. I would be inclined to allow it to work but it was an interesting thought in my head.
So if a Gloom Stalker is running point/scouting in the Underdark and there is no sources of light, would that Gloom Stalker be considered to have basically Greater Invisibility unless the other creature had some other form of vision or sense to counter it the Umbral Sight?
Umbral sight has nothing to do with Invisibility spells. It instead makes you invisible to any creature that relies on darkvision while in darkness. The condition itself doesn't inherently ends when attacking, it's more the spell or feature that will say otherwise.
To expand on this, it basically gives you the invisible condition against creatures with darkvision.
It doesn’t affect creatures with other vision types such as tremor sense, blind sight, true sight or devil sight. It literally only affects creatures with dark vision, so there are still a lot of creatures that will see you. Important note, don’t insult your dm by constantly asking but I’m a gloomstalker, how did they see me to hit me? Your dm knows, and (hopefully) isn’t cheating.
Or your DM forgot. It happens, DMs aren't perfect. There are some creatures with blindsight or tremorsense that would be able to detect the gloomstalker but they are somewhat less common than the ones that use darkvision. In addition, if it was a humanoid that detected the character, I would certainly ask if they remembered that the gloomstalker is invisible.
However, being invisible does not necessarily mean hidden. In addition, a creature gives away its location when they make an attack - so the gloomstalker can be attacked at disadvantage but the opponents will know where they are if they have cast a spell or made an attack.
But the RAW would indicate that UNLESS another form of sense is available attacking or casting spells would NOT reveal the gloom stalkers location?
I have looking for official errata on the ability to indicate otherwise.
Hearing and smell are two other senses that can be used to detect location RAW, being invisible doesn’t mean hidden
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There is also the blind fighting fighting style which will detect the gloomstalker as long as it is in range. It really comes down to the campaign. In the dungeon I am running at the moment (official module not homebrew) at least 75% of the bad guys either have blindsight or tremorsense. The player with is gloomstalker is having a bit of a tough time at the moment, but he is taking it very well. When I went through it as a player there was a gloomstalker player who literally said every time he was hit, “how does he know where I am, I’m invisible” - even when the thing hitting him had multi attack, he complained after each of the attacks. It was very frustrating.
Really?
Invisible isn't even fully hidden, so your position is definitely known when attacking.
You can always hide while invisible so they don't know your position again. That is the RAW.