If the player is planning to create the item and then try to sell it, then it can't be worth more than 25,000 gp (due to the spell's limitations), and how is he going to guard such a large block to prevent it being taken by somebody else.
There is no specific cost for a 5 ft cube of granite, but consider that each 5ft cube of granite weighs 22,500 lbs (11.25 US tons) - it will probably cost quite a bit.
I have a player trying to make a wall 60 feet long 60 feet high and 5 feet back to front out of granite with wish. please help
so how much is a 5ft cube of granite cost? just so i can work this out in future
It's common and typical for GMs needing a homebrew solution like this to look up the current real-world cost, assume that their world has magic to replace the missing technology so things become comparable (e.g. something something magitech mining equipment), and then convert back to gp using some algorithm based on their world.
I just found 12"x12"x1.25" granite slabs online for $45 (installed, so it even covers the labor costs of putting up the wall), which is 25 cents per cubic inch. With 1728 cubic inches in a cubic foot, that's $432 per cubic foot, or $54,000 for 125 cubic feet. Note that I chose a particularly cheap granite - as you might imagine, prettier granite costs more, but it sounds like we should be assuming ugly granite intended for utility.
A 12x12x1 set of these would therefore be $7,776,000.
To convert, just decide on a conversion rate between dollars in our world and gp in yours. For example, 1:1 would make that 7776000 gold (777600 plat). If it's 2 gp per dollar, double that. If it's 1 gp every 2 dollars, halve it. And so on and so forth. The exact rate is up to you. Once you set one, you can always just google prices of things when you need prices for your world, and it'll remain consistent.
I just found 12"x12"x1.25" granite slabs online for $45 (installed, so it even covers the labor costs of putting up the wall), which is 25 cents per cubic inch. With 1728 cubic inches in a cubic foot, that's $432 per cubic foot, or $2160 for 5 cubic feet. Note that I chose a particularly cheap granite - as you might imagine, prettier granite costs more, but it sounds like we should be assuming ugly granite intended for utility.
A 12x12x1 set of these would therefore be $311,040.
There are 125 cubic feet in a 5-ft cube, so multiply that by 25.
Well, the normal way of doing this is to cast wall of stone; each casting creates 1000 square feet x 6" (500 cubic feet) and you can make it permanent by concentrating for ten minutes; his entire wall is 18,000 cubic feet so equivalent to 36 castings. It's unspecified what type of stone wall of stone is, but granite is a pretty generic rock type. Mighty Fortress creates a lot more stone (and is higher level) but needs to be recast daily for a year and is less flexible.
If you want to think about money, the real-world price for a cubic foot of rough cut granite 'bricks' is under $100, which probably corresponds to a couple gp (best guess is a gp is between $10 and $100, but prices are pretty random in D&D), so that 18,000 cubic feet probably costs more than 25,000 gp. 2 gp per cubic inch is nonsense, though.
I just found 12"x12"x1.25" granite slabs online for $45 (installed, so it even covers the labor costs of putting up the wall), which is 25 cents per cubic inch.
I found 100x 4"x4"x8" bricks (12,800 cubic inches) for $569, or 4.4 cents per cubic inch. Pretty much all the cost of granite is for cutting, polishing, and transporting.
I just found 12"x12"x1.25" granite slabs online for $45 (installed, so it even covers the labor costs of putting up the wall), which is 25 cents per cubic inch. With 1728 cubic inches in a cubic foot, that's $432 per cubic foot, or $2160 for 5 cubic feet. Note that I chose a particularly cheap granite - as you might imagine, prettier granite costs more, but it sounds like we should be assuming ugly granite intended for utility.
A 12x12x1 set of these would therefore be $311,040.
There are 125 cubic feet in a 5-ft cube, so multiply that by 25.
I just found 12"x12"x1.25" granite slabs online for $45 (installed, so it even covers the labor costs of putting up the wall), which is 25 cents per cubic inch.
I found 100x 4"x4"x8" bricks (12,800 cubic inches) for $569, or 4.4 cents per cubic inch. Pretty much all the cost of granite is for cutting, polishing, and transporting.
Mighty Fortress lasts for seven days and only has to be recast weekly rather than daily to be made permanent. Using Wish to raise a mighty fortress 120ft on each side in one action is pretty dang cool. Wish bypasses the usual 1 minute casting time.
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Well - a lump of rock isn't magically more attractive to purchase because it was created by a spell. Unskilled labor is 6 gold a month, and a guy with a pick axe could propably (maybe?!) quarry one block a day. So the price for lumps of rock equals the wages, plus profits, plus transportation. I'd say casting wish to produce granite is a resoundingly bad investment.
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Who are you trying to sell it to, and what are they going to do with a block of stone on its own?
I think a common misconception in D&D is that you can always sell something at all, but unless there's somebody looking to build something out of granite blocks, then a granite block is essentially worthless; indeed, depending where you put it you could end up paying to have it cleaned up. 😝
Even if someone does need granite blocks, what are they actually building? If they're building something large then a single block isn't likely to excite them, and the other question is how is it going to be installed? If you're just offering a big block that nobody can move, then they're going to have to pay for a team of people to move it and install it in the correct place, so they may not pay you much at all for just a raw material.
However, if you're using a spell to magically produce an actual wall then that's different; that could represent a big saving on time for someone, but how to price that is difficult; how many other mages exist who can do it? How many are in the immediate area? How many are willing to do it? If you're the only one then the service is more valuable than if everyone and their mum can do it.
As for what I'd actually charge; I'd based it on the current level of rewards you're using. If a dungeon crawl that shouldn't take more than one adventuring day pays out 1,000 gp, then you shouldn't award more than that, or the player will have no incentive to ever go adventuring again. As a general rule; keep it low. It should be supplementary income, good for helping with material costs etc., it shouldn't compete with the main income of your game.
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Who are you trying to sell it to, and what are they going to do with a block of stone on its own?
I think a common misconception in D&D is that you can always sell something at all, but unless there's somebody looking to build something out of granite blocks, then a granite block is essentially worthless; indeed, depending where you put it you could end up paying to have it cleaned up. 😝
Even if someone does need granite blocks, what are they actually building? If they're building something large then a single block isn't likely to excite them, and the other question is how is it going to be installed? If you're just offering a big block that nobody can move, then they're going to have to pay for a team of people to move it and install it in the correct place, so they may not pay you much at all for just a raw material.
However, if you're using a spell to magically produce an actual wall then that's different; that could represent a big saving on time for someone, but how to price that is difficult; how many other mages exist who can do it? How many are in the immediate area? How many are willing to do it? If you're the only one then the service is more valuably than if everyone and their mum can do it.
As for what I'd actually charge; I'd based it on the current level of rewards you're using. If a dungeon crawl that shouldn't take more than one adventuring day pays out 1,000 gp, then you shouldn't award more than that, or the player will have no incentive to ever go adventuring again. As a general rule; keep it low. It should be supplementary income, good for helping with material costs etc., it shouldn't compete with the main income of your game.
This is precisely right.
If someone is walling a city, you could cast a wish spell and earn the cost of quarrying, transporting and placing the walls, plus whatever profit is asked. But then on the other hand, that will be an unmortared wall. Eh.
On the other hand, if the situation is that scouts just reported that orc raiders by the hundreds are coming from the east valley - and you happen to be the guy who can instantly wall off said valley - well, then the potential profits more or less equal the damage the orcs could do.
But mostly, I stand by my first assessment: Using high level magic to produce building materials that dirt-cheap workmen can pry from the bones of the earth is exceptionally pointless.
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i don't think they are going to sell it if the were i could say here is 25,000 gp worth and be over it
i just found out they want to make a wall in a Demiplane to put stuff on and in so it is to make a massive wall of shelves. ¬¬ sigh (that my party for you) 60 feet by 60 feet of shelves really who would think of that but it still needs me to price it Fairley
If the player is planning to create the item and then try to sell it, then it can't be worth more than 25,000 gp (due to the spell's limitations), and how is he going to guard such a large block to prevent it being taken by somebody else.
There is no specific cost for a 5 ft cube of granite, but consider that each 5ft cube of granite weighs 22,500 lbs (11.25 US tons) - it will probably cost quite a bit.
Iron has a density of 491 lbs per cu ft. A 5' cube is 125 cubic feet. The PH has the price of a pound of iron at 1 silver. Now combine all that and you get a price for a 5' cube of Iron, note, refined iron, at 6,137.50 gp. So granite, which needs no refining, is 700 times more valuable than iron? That seems unlikely...
Today, iron costs about $90 per metric ton. Granite is ~$50 per square foot. Granite is much more expensive than iron.
Today, iron costs about $90 per metric ton. Granite is ~$50 per square foot. Granite is much more expensive than iron.
Crushed granite costs $25-50 per metric ton; iron shaped to purpose costs way over $90 per ton. Of course, scrap iron can be melted down and crushed granite cannot.
i don't think they are going to sell it if the were i could say here is 25,000 gp worth and be over it
i just found out they want to make a wall in a Demiplane to put stuff on and in so it is to make a massive wall of shelves. ¬¬ sigh (that my party for you) 60 feet by 60 feet of shelves really who would think of that but it still needs me to price it Fairley
But a demiplane is only 30 feet in each direction, so I guess they want two walls of shelves? At 30x60? I’m not seeing where 60x60 comes from.
And they want to use a wish for that. Assuming they just have wish, I’d go with either, use it to cast wall of stone, and concentrate and then the next day stone shape the wall. Or say they can do it, and have it all the way done, with the risk they can’t ever cast it again. I’d say those are the options.
I wouldn’t be interested in trying to figure out the cost of stone shelving, that’s just a waste of my time as a DM. I have a session to prep for, not a house to decorate.
If the player is planning to create the item and then try to sell it, then it can't be worth more than 25,000 gp (due to the spell's limitations), and how is he going to guard such a large block to prevent it being taken by somebody else.
There is no specific cost for a 5 ft cube of granite, but consider that each 5ft cube of granite weighs 22,500 lbs (11.25 US tons) - it will probably cost quite a bit.
Iron has a density of 491 lbs per cu ft. A 5' cube is 125 cubic feet. The PH has the price of a pound of iron at 1 silver. Now combine all that and you get a price for a 5' cube of Iron, note, refined iron, at 6,137.50 gp. So granite, which needs no refining, is 700 times more valuable than iron? That seems unlikely...
Today, iron costs about $90 per metric ton. Granite is ~$50 per square foot. Granite is much more expensive than iron.
You are comparing modern refining and shipping costs with 5e?
Yes? Now, I’m not an historian of materials commerce, and if anyone is I’d love to hear an expert breakdown, but my intuition is that advances in the gathering and shipping of granite and iron have progressed over time more or less in parallel, or close enough for a game.
If you know anything to suggest that iron is 1500 times as easy to acquire than it was 500 years ago while granite is only twice as easy to acquire, I’m open to that information.
Yes? Now, I’m not an historian of materials commerce, and if anyone is I’d love to hear an expert breakdown, but my intuition is that advances in the gathering and shipping of granite and iron have progressed over time more or less in parallel, or close enough for a game.
If you know anything to suggest that iron is 1500 times as easy to acquire than it was 500 years ago while granite is only twice as easy to acquire, I’m open to that information.
Turning iron ore into slag iron is certainly easier today, whereas granite doesn't require any such processing.but the real problem is that you're comparing scrap iron with cut stone; a ton of even simple shaped iron (say, plates) will cost you several thousand dollars.
i don't think they are going to sell it if the were i could say here is 25,000 gp worth and be over it
i just found out they want to make a wall in a Demiplane to put stuff on and in so it is to make a massive wall of shelves. ¬¬ sigh (that my party for you) 60 feet by 60 feet of shelves really who would think of that but it still needs me to price it Fairley
Working out the exact costs of materials seems excessive. Do you think they're asking for something more valuable than a warship?
Given what they apparently want, I wouldn't think so, and wouldn't even be giving them the wish stress.
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I have a player trying to make a wall 60 feet long 60 feet high and 5 feet back to front out of granite with wish. please help
so how much is a 5ft cube of granite cost? just so i can work this out in future
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If the player is planning to create the item and then try to sell it, then it can't be worth more than 25,000 gp (due to the spell's limitations), and how is he going to guard such a large block to prevent it being taken by somebody else.
There is no specific cost for a 5 ft cube of granite, but consider that each 5ft cube of granite weighs 22,500 lbs (11.25 US tons) - it will probably cost quite a bit.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Granite suggests 2 gp per cubic inch, which would be 432,000 gp for a 5 ft cube.
It's common and typical for GMs needing a homebrew solution like this to look up the current real-world cost, assume that their world has magic to replace the missing technology so things become comparable (e.g. something something magitech mining equipment), and then convert back to gp using some algorithm based on their world.
I just found 12"x12"x1.25" granite slabs online for $45 (installed, so it even covers the labor costs of putting up the wall), which is 25 cents per cubic inch. With 1728 cubic inches in a cubic foot, that's $432 per cubic foot, or $54,000 for 125 cubic feet. Note that I chose a particularly cheap granite - as you might imagine, prettier granite costs more, but it sounds like we should be assuming ugly granite intended for utility.
A 12x12x1 set of these would therefore be $7,776,000.
To convert, just decide on a conversion rate between dollars in our world and gp in yours. For example, 1:1 would make that 7776000 gold (777600 plat). If it's 2 gp per dollar, double that. If it's 1 gp every 2 dollars, halve it. And so on and so forth. The exact rate is up to you. Once you set one, you can always just google prices of things when you need prices for your world, and it'll remain consistent.
There are 125 cubic feet in a 5-ft cube, so multiply that by 25.
Well, the normal way of doing this is to cast wall of stone; each casting creates 1000 square feet x 6" (500 cubic feet) and you can make it permanent by concentrating for ten minutes; his entire wall is 18,000 cubic feet so equivalent to 36 castings. It's unspecified what type of stone wall of stone is, but granite is a pretty generic rock type. Mighty Fortress creates a lot more stone (and is higher level) but needs to be recast daily for a year and is less flexible.
If you want to think about money, the real-world price for a cubic foot of rough cut granite 'bricks' is under $100, which probably corresponds to a couple gp (best guess is a gp is between $10 and $100, but prices are pretty random in D&D), so that 18,000 cubic feet probably costs more than 25,000 gp. 2 gp per cubic inch is nonsense, though.
I found 100x 4"x4"x8" bricks (12,800 cubic inches) for $569, or 4.4 cents per cubic inch. Pretty much all the cost of granite is for cutting, polishing, and transporting.
Fixed.
Good job, I figured it came cheaper than I found.
Mighty Fortress lasts for seven days and only has to be recast weekly rather than daily to be made permanent. Using Wish to raise a mighty fortress 120ft on each side in one action is pretty dang cool. Wish bypasses the usual 1 minute casting time.
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Well - a lump of rock isn't magically more attractive to purchase because it was created by a spell. Unskilled labor is 6 gold a month, and a guy with a pick axe could propably (maybe?!) quarry one block a day. So the price for lumps of rock equals the wages, plus profits, plus transportation. I'd say casting wish to produce granite is a resoundingly bad investment.
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Who are you trying to sell it to, and what are they going to do with a block of stone on its own?
I think a common misconception in D&D is that you can always sell something at all, but unless there's somebody looking to build something out of granite blocks, then a granite block is essentially worthless; indeed, depending where you put it you could end up paying to have it cleaned up. 😝
Even if someone does need granite blocks, what are they actually building? If they're building something large then a single block isn't likely to excite them, and the other question is how is it going to be installed? If you're just offering a big block that nobody can move, then they're going to have to pay for a team of people to move it and install it in the correct place, so they may not pay you much at all for just a raw material.
However, if you're using a spell to magically produce an actual wall then that's different; that could represent a big saving on time for someone, but how to price that is difficult; how many other mages exist who can do it? How many are in the immediate area? How many are willing to do it? If you're the only one then the service is more valuable than if everyone and their mum can do it.
As for what I'd actually charge; I'd based it on the current level of rewards you're using. If a dungeon crawl that shouldn't take more than one adventuring day pays out 1,000 gp, then you shouldn't award more than that, or the player will have no incentive to ever go adventuring again. As a general rule; keep it low. It should be supplementary income, good for helping with material costs etc., it shouldn't compete with the main income of your game.
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This is precisely right.
If someone is walling a city, you could cast a wish spell and earn the cost of quarrying, transporting and placing the walls, plus whatever profit is asked. But then on the other hand, that will be an unmortared wall. Eh.
On the other hand, if the situation is that scouts just reported that orc raiders by the hundreds are coming from the east valley - and you happen to be the guy who can instantly wall off said valley - well, then the potential profits more or less equal the damage the orcs could do.
But mostly, I stand by my first assessment: Using high level magic to produce building materials that dirt-cheap workmen can pry from the bones of the earth is exceptionally pointless.
Blanket disclaimer: I only ever state opinion. But I can sound terribly dogmatic - so if you feel I'm trying to tell you what to think, I'm really not, I swear. I'm telling you what I think, that's all.
i don't think they are going to sell it if the were i could say here is 25,000 gp worth and be over it
i just found out they want to make a wall in a Demiplane to put stuff on and in so it is to make a massive wall of shelves. ¬¬ sigh (that my party for you) 60 feet by 60 feet of shelves really who would think of that but it still needs me to price it Fairley
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Today, iron costs about $90 per metric ton. Granite is ~$50 per square foot. Granite is much more expensive than iron.
Crushed granite costs $25-50 per metric ton; iron shaped to purpose costs way over $90 per ton. Of course, scrap iron can be melted down and crushed granite cannot.
But a demiplane is only 30 feet in each direction, so I guess they want two walls of shelves? At 30x60? I’m not seeing where 60x60 comes from.
And they want to use a wish for that. Assuming they just have wish, I’d go with either, use it to cast wall of stone, and concentrate and then the next day stone shape the wall. Or say they can do it, and have it all the way done, with the risk they can’t ever cast it again. I’d say those are the options.
I wouldn’t be interested in trying to figure out the cost of stone shelving, that’s just a waste of my time as a DM. I have a session to prep for, not a house to decorate.
your right i will correct their mistake ty to a 30 feet cube Demiplane space instead of a 60 feet cube Demiplane space
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Yes? Now, I’m not an historian of materials commerce, and if anyone is I’d love to hear an expert breakdown, but my intuition is that advances in the gathering and shipping of granite and iron have progressed over time more or less in parallel, or close enough for a game.
If you know anything to suggest that iron is 1500 times as easy to acquire than it was 500 years ago while granite is only twice as easy to acquire, I’m open to that information.
Turning iron ore into slag iron is certainly easier today, whereas granite doesn't require any such processing.but the real problem is that you're comparing scrap iron with cut stone; a ton of even simple shaped iron (say, plates) will cost you several thousand dollars.
Working out the exact costs of materials seems excessive. Do you think they're asking for something more valuable than a warship?
Given what they apparently want, I wouldn't think so, and wouldn't even be giving them the wish stress.