Yeah? Unambiguously? This isn't about how it should be, this is how it possibly causes confusion.
That's a comma rule that doesn't appear on every list of comma rules, it is in a sentence that might be read aloud, and the OP already discussed one of any number of particular barriers. Yours seems like an exceptionally tonedeaf response.
(In fact, I don't even know that comma rule or how to describe it. If you take out the "or beef" from the original, there should be no comma since "with broccoli" is a restrictive clause. I can find no rule about putting commas after lists or the complicated subject of how restrictive clauses and conjunctions change comma rules.)
So we resort to insulting people? That doesn’t help the OP at all. Many have made up their minds on how this attack is intended regardless of potential (for some) literal conciseness. I will no longer engage with you. Good Day.
No insult intended. I just think that advice of “know some obscure grammar rules” isn’t particularly helpful to some individuals. It would be particularly more helpful if you could at least tell us what rule you’re using as well.
Sure, that's a possibility, but that sentence construction doesn't require that, so implying that it does is misunderstanding English. "Chicken or beef with broccoli" is a phrasing that allows you to get chicken with broccoli.
You forgot the comma. Chicken or beef, with broccoli. That is how you get broccoli with either. Punctuation is important.
Not how English works. "I like chicken or beef with broccoli." can mean "I like chicken with broccoli and I like beef with broccoli." or "I like chicken and I like beef with broccoli." - it's inherently ambiguous, and the listener has to use context clues to guess which you mean (the listener may not be able to, forcing them to ask you for clarification). "I like chicken or beef, with broccoli." is simply bad grammar and not a valid sentence.
In the case of 5E rules, it's always the job of the DM to fix ambiguity in WOTC's chosen grammar. I can tell you that ordinarily, "I like chicken or beef with broccoli" will be interpreted by a native speaker who can't ask for clarity to mean the first of my two examples above. "I like broccoli with chicken or beef." has the same ambiguity and will ordinarily be interpreted the same way.
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Yeah? Unambiguously? This isn't about how it should be, this is how it possibly causes confusion.
That's a comma rule that doesn't appear on every list of comma rules, it is in a sentence that might be read aloud, and the OP already discussed one of any number of particular barriers. Yours seems like an exceptionally tonedeaf response.
(In fact, I don't even know that comma rule or how to describe it. If you take out the "or beef" from the original, there should be no comma since "with broccoli" is a restrictive clause. I can find no rule about putting commas after lists or the complicated subject of how restrictive clauses and conjunctions change comma rules.)
So we resort to insulting people? That doesn’t help the OP at all. Many have made up their minds on how this attack is intended regardless of potential (for some) literal conciseness. I will no longer engage with you. Good Day.
No insult intended. I just think that advice of “know some obscure grammar rules” isn’t particularly helpful to some individuals. It would be particularly more helpful if you could at least tell us what rule you’re using as well.
I love how this forum changed into a grammar conversation
More a punctuation conversation.
Fair I do have to say it seems like if there were to be a winner it would probably be GodwinXZ
Not how English works. "I like chicken or beef with broccoli." can mean "I like chicken with broccoli and I like beef with broccoli." or "I like chicken and I like beef with broccoli." - it's inherently ambiguous, and the listener has to use context clues to guess which you mean (the listener may not be able to, forcing them to ask you for clarification). "I like chicken or beef, with broccoli." is simply bad grammar and not a valid sentence.
In the case of 5E rules, it's always the job of the DM to fix ambiguity in WOTC's chosen grammar. I can tell you that ordinarily, "I like chicken or beef with broccoli" will be interpreted by a native speaker who can't ask for clarity to mean the first of my two examples above. "I like broccoli with chicken or beef." has the same ambiguity and will ordinarily be interpreted the same way.