Creatures are indeed not perceivable when outside perception's range of anyone. But as far as rules goes, when you take the Hide action, you make a Dexterity (Stealth) check, which will be contested by the Perception of creature able to do so.
The range of a creature's vision is defined very clearly. The range of a creature's hearing is not usually defined as clearly. If you are talking about if you can see someone 120 feet away, it's generally pretty easy to calculate that based on environmental variables. If you're talking about if you can hear someone (who is unseen) 120 feet away, it might not be as easy. Some creatures are better at hearing-based perception, so it ends up being a DM ruling either way. This could take the form of setting a higher DC for passive comparison, or performing contested checks at advantage or disadvantage.
The range of a creature's vision is defined very clearly. The range of a creature's hearing is not usually defined as clearly. If you are talking about if you can see someone 120 feet away, it's generally pretty easy to calculate that based on environmental variables. If you're talking about if you can hear someone (who is unseen) 120 feet away, it might not be as easy. Some creatures are better at hearing-based perception, so it ends up being a DM ruling either way. This could take the form of setting a higher DC for passive comparison, or performing contested checks at advantage or disadvantage.
Aren't only special sense ranges defined clearly? Based on some spells and wording, it seems daylight vision is 'line of sight' limited.
I think that there are some additonal things to consider. How do the adversaries know that the rogue is going to teleport and to watch the knife in flight? If they've never seen him do this, then I'd argue that they would be less likely to watch. How do they know the rogue didn't just miss? If the knife is thrown backwards or to the side away from everyone in combat, then perception could come into play assuming people are paying attention. If the rogue is trying to make it look like the attack missed by throwing it next to their adversaries head but lodging it in the bushes behind them some distance, then maybe a slight of hand check vs perception or insight? That might be a tougher call. In any case, stealthing away is not free as others mentioned.
Aren't only special sense ranges defined clearly? Based on some spells and wording, it seems daylight vision is 'line of sight' limited.
That's true as well. You may see the goblin on the hill across the valley on a clear day, but you probably won't hear it even if it isn't attempting to be stealthy.
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Creatures are indeed not perceivable when outside perception's range of anyone. But as far as rules goes, when you take the Hide action, you make a Dexterity (Stealth) check, which will be contested by the Perception of creature able to do so.
The range of a creature's vision is defined very clearly. The range of a creature's hearing is not usually defined as clearly. If you are talking about if you can see someone 120 feet away, it's generally pretty easy to calculate that based on environmental variables. If you're talking about if you can hear someone (who is unseen) 120 feet away, it might not be as easy. Some creatures are better at hearing-based perception, so it ends up being a DM ruling either way. This could take the form of setting a higher DC for passive comparison, or performing contested checks at advantage or disadvantage.
"Not all those who wander are lost"
Aren't only special sense ranges defined clearly? Based on some spells and wording, it seems daylight vision is 'line of sight' limited.
I think that there are some additonal things to consider. How do the adversaries know that the rogue is going to teleport and to watch the knife in flight? If they've never seen him do this, then I'd argue that they would be less likely to watch. How do they know the rogue didn't just miss? If the knife is thrown backwards or to the side away from everyone in combat, then perception could come into play assuming people are paying attention. If the rogue is trying to make it look like the attack missed by throwing it next to their adversaries head but lodging it in the bushes behind them some distance, then maybe a slight of hand check vs perception or insight? That might be a tougher call. In any case, stealthing away is not free as others mentioned.
That's true as well. You may see the goblin on the hill across the valley on a clear day, but you probably won't hear it even if it isn't attempting to be stealthy.
"Not all those who wander are lost"