Since it has been asked for multiple times, here it is.
The Monster Manual Introduction defines the Undead Type as "once-living". By definition, this means they no longer possess life.
The first sentence of the Path to the Grave ability is this: Starting at 2nd level, you can use your Channel Divinity to mark another creature’s life force for termination.
Written directly into the ability is that it must "...mark another creature's life...". The word "life" is what's important. And undead have no life to be marked.
RAW.
Now, I'm done with this conversation. It's been interesting and educational. But it has also skirted the edge of dogma a few times and that's just no fun at all, especially in a game rooted in imagination and creativity where the primary rule above all others is GM discretion in all things and every table should expect variations in how rules are interpreted. So I wish you all great gaming and happy times, however you choose to use Path to the Grave.
You’re not going to acknowledge the actual relevant monster manual rules I found for you in the book? Typed them out on my iPhone for you and even bolded the parts that seemed most relevant to creature types? The part that clears up that there are no rules regarding creature types themselves unless the types are expressly mentioned in a feature?
like cure wounds? The example 2 pages ago?
Not really interested in debating whether or not "description" or "definition" is the same as "rule" and I shouldn't need to point out it is indeed the feature itself which expressly mentions it targets the creature's life for termination. Happy gaming.
Assuming that Undead don't have "life force" (which, according to you, is a game term that has actual weight) means that any Undead creature is treated mechanically differently, not because of any feature that specifically references Undead, but solely because of a mechanical difference within being Undead in and of itself. This is explicitly not supported by RAW, which states that "monster types... have no rules of their own."
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Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny. Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
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Since it has been asked for multiple times, here it is.
The Monster Manual Introduction defines the Undead Type as "once-living". By definition, this means they no longer possess life.
The first sentence of the Path to the Grave ability is this: Starting at 2nd level, you can use your Channel Divinity to mark another creature’s life force for termination.
Written directly into the ability is that it must "...mark another creature's life...". The word "life" is what's important. And undead have no life to be marked.
RAW.
Now, I'm done with this conversation. It's been interesting and educational. But it has also skirted the edge of dogma a few times and that's just no fun at all, especially in a game rooted in imagination and creativity where the primary rule above all others is GM discretion in all things and every table should expect variations in how rules are interpreted. So I wish you all great gaming and happy times, however you choose to use Path to the Grave.
You’re not going to acknowledge the actual relevant monster manual rules I found for you in the book? Typed them out on my iPhone for you and even bolded the parts that seemed most relevant to creature types? The part that clears up that there are no rules regarding creature types themselves unless the types are expressly mentioned in a feature?
like cure wounds? The example 2 pages ago?
Not really interested in debating whether or not "description" or "definition" is the same as "rule" and I shouldn't need to point out it is indeed the feature itself which expressly mentions it targets the creature's life for termination. Happy gaming.
Assuming that Undead don't have "life force" (which, according to you, is a game term that has actual weight) means that any Undead creature is treated mechanically differently, not because of any feature that specifically references Undead, but solely because of a mechanical difference within being Undead in and of itself. This is explicitly not supported by RAW, which states that "monster types... have no rules of their own."
People seem hung up on "life force". Forget about "force". The game term that has weight is "life", which undead do not possess according to their description in the Monster Manual. And it is Path to the Grave itself which specifies the creature's life is targeted.
Since it has been asked for multiple times, here it is.
The Monster Manual Introduction defines the Undead Type as "once-living". By definition, this means they no longer possess life.
The first sentence of the Path to the Grave ability is this: Starting at 2nd level, you can use your Channel Divinity to mark another creature’s life force for termination.
Written directly into the ability is that it must "...mark another creature's life...". The word "life" is what's important. And undead have no life to be marked.
RAW.
Now, I'm done with this conversation. It's been interesting and educational. But it has also skirted the edge of dogma a few times and that's just no fun at all, especially in a game rooted in imagination and creativity where the primary rule above all others is GM discretion in all things and every table should expect variations in how rules are interpreted. So I wish you all great gaming and happy times, however you choose to use Path to the Grave.
You’re not going to acknowledge the actual relevant monster manual rules I found for you in the book? Typed them out on my iPhone for you and even bolded the parts that seemed most relevant to creature types? The part that clears up that there are no rules regarding creature types themselves unless the types are expressly mentioned in a feature?
like cure wounds? The example 2 pages ago?
Not really interested in debating whether or not "description" or "definition" is the same as "rule" and I shouldn't need to point out it is indeed the feature itself which expressly mentions it targets the creature's life for termination. Happy gaming.
What? This can’t be real you’ve got to be trolling lol. Was this whole thing bait originally or did it just turn out this way after the lack of support?
Like I said the first time you tried this...if you have anything more to say about Path to the Grave, I'm all ears.
There really is no reason to keep trying. Its not like we have to worry about new players finding this thread and being confused about what the rules are since the rules were only ever explained correctly (which I don't think has ever happened in one of these stubborn debates before).
So yeah, let's "agree to disagree" about following the rules or not.
@Bobbybaker I don't agree with your interpretations of some things. Making my case and refuting your assertions is called debate. And neither debate nor trying to gracefully exit a discussion when it has run its course constitutes trolling. Your accusation of such has become offensive. Good day sir.
There's nothing to debate. The rules are clear. And so are your intentions with this thread.
Assuming that Undead don't have "life force" (which, according to you, is a game term that has actual weight) means that any Undead creature is treated mechanically differently, not because of any feature that specifically references Undead, but solely because of a mechanical difference within being Undead in and of itself. This is explicitly not supported by RAW, which states that "monster types... have no rules of their own."
Look at what you've done. You spoiled it. You have nobody to blame but yourself. Go sit and think about your actions.
Don't be mean. Rudeness is a vicious cycle, and it has to stop somewhere. Exceptions for things that are funny.
Go to the current Competition of the Finest 'Brews! It's a cool place where cool people make cool things.
How I'm posting based on text formatting: Mod Hat Off - Mod Hat Also Off (I'm not a mod)
People seem hung up on "life force". Forget about "force". The game term that has weight is "life", which undead do not possess according to their description in the Monster Manual. And it is Path to the Grave itself which specifies the creature's life is targeted.
Like I said the first time you tried this...if you have anything more to say about Path to the Grave, I'm all ears.
There really is no reason to keep trying. Its not like we have to worry about new players finding this thread and being confused about what the rules are since the rules were only ever explained correctly (which I don't think has ever happened in one of these stubborn debates before).
So yeah, let's "agree to disagree" about following the rules or not.
There's nothing to debate. The rules are clear. And so are your intentions with this thread.
Yes they do say that, but but ''life force'' is not defined rulewise in such as a way that makes undeads immune to effect on life force in general.
And the same Monster Manual also say this in entry: (Path To Te Grave doesn't say it interact differently with undead creatures)