Light When you take the Attack action on your turn and attack with a Light weapon, you can make one extra attack as a Bonus Action later on the same turn. That extra attack must be made with a different Light weapon, and you don’t add your ability modifier to the extra attack’s damage unless that modifier is negative. For example, you can attack with a Shortsword in one hand and a Dagger in the other using the Attack action and a Bonus Action, but you don’t add your Strength or Dexterity modifier to the damage roll of the Bonus Action unless that modifier is negative.
There is no mention of using a different hand, so can you attack with a light weapon, then switch to a different light weapon and attack with that while holding a shield the whole time?
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I think that does technically work under RAW, though it seems contrary to the spirit of it.
I, personally, probably wouldn't allow it, but I have very little patience for weapon juggling shenanigans in general and I know not everyone sees it that way.
I think that does technically work under RAW, though it seems contrary to the spirit of it.
I, personally, probably wouldn't allow it, but I have very little patience for weapon juggling shenanigans in general and I know not everyone sees it that way.
I agree with this whole-heartedly. RAW, you might technically be allowed to benefit from the Light property using a single hand, but I think this is a bad-faith reading of the rules in order to find an exploit. It would not surprise me to see an errata to the Light property to close this loophole at some point in the near future.
To explain the Nick property, we should briefly cover that being able to attack twice while dual-wielding Light weapons has subtly changed in the 2024 Player’s Handbook. Instead of being covered under Melee Attacks, the rules for dual-wielding Light weapons are covered under the Light weapon property.
It still functions the same way: When you make an attack with a weapon that has the Light property, you can use a Bonus Action to make one attack with a different Light weapon you’re wielding.
The Nick mastery property allows you to make the additional attack you receive from wielding two Light weapons as part of the initial attack action.
Keep in mind that this doesn’t mean you can make a third attack as a Bonus Action, as the Light property specifies you only get one extra attack. But, while it may not pump your damage, this frees up your Bonus Action to use class/species abilities, such as the Rogue’s Cunning Action, while still getting an additional attack in.
Another addition to this is that RAW you can technically benefit from both the two weapon fighting style feat and the dueling fighting style feat at the same time while wielding a shield by weapon juggling. Pretty weird interaction and clearly not RAI.
I agree with this whole-heartedly. RAW, you might technically be allowed to benefit from the Light property using a single hand, but I think this is a bad-faith reading of the rules in order to find an exploit. It would not surprise me to see an errata to the Light property to close this loophole at some point in the near future.
I can't even see it being a bad-faith reading tbh, the rule just works differently from how it used to. I mean it isn't even called "dual wielding" (or two-weapon fighting) in the new rules. Even the Dual Wielder feat uses the same "different weapon" and "later" wording for its additional attack so I'm not so sure this will receive an errata.
I hope it does though, if you are going to use the concept of wielding dual weapons then you really should be wielding them simultaneously, not sequentially.
What about the use of a shield as the weapon itself?
A light weapon in one hand and use the shield to give bludgeoning damage? I can't find anything that says what type of damage a shield can give, would that affect the AC and is a shield a "light" weapon?
What about the use of a shield as the weapon itself?
A light weapon in one hand and use the shield to give bludgeoning damage? I can't find anything that says what type of damage a shield can give, would that affect the AC and is a shield a "light" weapon?
Under D&D rules, a shield is not a weapon, so it doesn't have weapon properties like "Light".
If you wanted to attack someone with it, it would fall under the rules for Improvised Weapons, but you wouldn't be able to use features of the Light property with it since it doesn't have that property.
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The light property states,
There is no mention of using a different hand, so can you attack with a light weapon, then switch to a different light weapon and attack with that while holding a shield the whole time?
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I think that does technically work under RAW, though it seems contrary to the spirit of it.
I, personally, probably wouldn't allow it, but I have very little patience for weapon juggling shenanigans in general and I know not everyone sees it that way.
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I agree with this whole-heartedly. RAW, you might technically be allowed to benefit from the Light property using a single hand, but I think this is a bad-faith reading of the rules in order to find an exploit. It would not surprise me to see an errata to the Light property to close this loophole at some point in the near future.
I'm with @wagnarokkr and @Sequilonis on this: RAW, you can, but I don't think that's the intent.
Or not at least based on the article Your Guide to Weapon Mastery in the 2024 Player's Handbook (emphasis mine):
Another addition to this is that RAW you can technically benefit from both the two weapon fighting style feat and the dueling fighting style feat at the same time while wielding a shield by weapon juggling. Pretty weird interaction and clearly not RAI.
The example written in the rule is pretty self-explanatory how it's intended to be used.
I can't even see it being a bad-faith reading tbh, the rule just works differently from how it used to. I mean it isn't even called "dual wielding" (or two-weapon fighting) in the new rules. Even the Dual Wielder feat uses the same "different weapon" and "later" wording for its additional attack so I'm not so sure this will receive an errata.
I hope it does though, if you are going to use the concept of wielding dual weapons then you really should be wielding them simultaneously, not sequentially.
What about the use of a shield as the weapon itself?
A light weapon in one hand and use the shield to give bludgeoning damage? I can't find anything that says what type of damage a shield can give, would that affect the AC and is a shield a "light" weapon?
It would be an improvised weapon.
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Under D&D rules, a shield is not a weapon, so it doesn't have weapon properties like "Light".
If you wanted to attack someone with it, it would fall under the rules for Improvised Weapons, but you wouldn't be able to use features of the Light property with it since it doesn't have that property.
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