Hey! I'm making a level 5 Fighter/level 5 Warlock, Variant Human character and I've chosen Pact of the Blade as my Pact Boon and Dual Wielder as my Variant Human feat. I started out as a fighter, which gives me two martial weapons(I chose lances for both), and I can use two-weapon fighting with the lances as part of my Dual Wielder feat. After I get the first extra attack from my fighter class, I'm going to hop over to Warlock for 5 levels and get thirsting blade as one of my invocations. However, there is one slight problem. Thirsting Blade works the same as Extra Attack, but Thirsting Blade specifically says "You can attack with your pact weapon twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn." From my point of view, Thirsting Blade doesn't apply to all weapons like Extra Attack does, but instead JUST your pact weapon. It also means that for every action that is used to attack with my pact weapon, I can make an additional attack with it as well.
This means that I could Attack with my pact weapon(lance 1), use Thirsting Blade to attack again with my pact weapon, use a bonus action to use two weapon fighting with my other lance(lance 2), use Extra Attack with my other lance, use Action Surge to Attack with my pact weapon, giving me another attack with my pact weapon, and then use two-weapon fighting with my other lance. I'm probably wrong about how this works, but that's 7attacks at level 10! LEVEL 10! If I get my Fighter level to at least level 11, that's at least 8 attacks in one round. Think of with all the Eldritch Invocations, magic items, and feats, HOW MUCH DAMAGE WOULD THAT DO? Again, please give me your opinion on how the heck Extra Attack and Thirsting Blade work together, because if I'm right about this, there might be a new most op multiclass combo. But hey, I'm just a teen, so all you adults probably understand this stuff better than me.
Thirsting Blade works the same as Extra Attack, but Thirsting Blade specifically says "You can attack with your pact weapon twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn." From my point of view, Thirsting Blade doesn't apply to all weapons like Extra Attack does, but instead JUST your pact weapon. It also means that for every action that is used to attack with my pact weapon, I can make an additional attack with it as well.
It definitely doesn't mean that. If it actually said you can make an "additional attack", then I might agree with you. Instead it says you can attack twice when you take the attack action. Whether looking at Extra Attack or Thirsting Blade, both say you can attack twice when you take the attack action so there's no stacking.
This means that I could Attack with my pact weapon(lance 1), use Thirsting Blade to attack again with my pact weapon, use a bonus action to use two weapon fighting with my other lance(lance 2), use Extra Attack with my other lance, use Action Surge to Attack with my pact weapon, giving me another attack with my pact weapon, and then use two-weapon fighting with my other lance. I'm probably wrong about how this works, but that's 7attacks at level 10! LEVEL 10! If I get my Fighter level to at least level 11, that's at least 8 attacks in one round. Think of with all the Eldritch Invocations, magic items, and feats, HOW MUCH DAMAGE WOULD THAT DO? Again, please give me your opinion on how the heck Extra Attack and Thirsting Blade work together, because if I'm right about this, there might be a new most op multiclass combo. But hey, I'm just a teen, so all you adults probably understand this stuff better than me.
To attack with an off-hand weapon, you have to use a bonus action. That is to say you do not take the "attack action" when you make that attack and so that bonus action attack doesn't qualify for either Thirsting Blade or Extra Attack. You only get one bonus action for your turn.
You can use the attack action for 2 attacks. If you have the dual wielder feat, are mounted, and wielding a lance in each hand, you can make an attack with your bonus action. You can also action surge to take the attack action again for 2 more attacks. When you use action surge you don't get another bonus action so that's the end of your actions.
First, unless you are mounted all the time, you can’t dual wield lances. Lances specifically say you need two hands to use when not mounted.
The second you get off your horse (or whatever), they become a two handed weapon and are not covered by the dual weilder feat. That said, once you change to some one handed weapon or another, this would be how it works. When you use the attack action, you can attack twice. That’s it, twice. Getting an extra attack from multiple sources does not stack, so you can either have two attacks from fighter 5, or two from the thirsting blade invocation, but not three. The only way to get three attacks is fighter 11. Dual wielding would then allow a bonus action attack with your off hand, so three attacks total on your turn. Basically, thirsting blade is not useful if you’ve already hit level 5 in a class that gives you an extra attack.
First, unless you are mounted all the time, you can’t dual wield lances. Lances specifically say you need two hands to use when not mounted.
The second you get off your horse (or whatever), they become a two handed weapon and are not covered by the dual weilder feat. That said, once you change to some one handed weapon or another, this would be how it works. When you use the attack action, you can attack twice. That’s it, twice. Getting an extra attack from multiple sources does not stack, so you can either have two attacks from fighter 5, or two from the thirsting blade invocation, but not three. The only way to get three attacks is fighter 11. Dual wielding would then allow a bonus action attack with your off hand, so three attacks total on your turn. Basically, thirsting blade is not useful if you’ve already hit level 5 in a class that gives you an extra attack.
That should be the link that verifies what Xalthu said. You do have to scroll down a little. Its on page 164 of the PHB.
The good news is that you'll have an invocation that you weren't planning for since you don't need Thirsting Blade. Devil's Sight, Fiendish Vigor, and One with the Shadows are options that you haven't taken that may be on point for your build. Agonizing Blast, Repelling Blast, Grasp of Hadar, and Lance of Lethargy are the general suite of Eldritch Blast invocations and are all useful in their own ways. Eldritch Sight provides great utility. There are more from XGTE that I haven't mentioned that may also be helpful.
Unfortunately the above link doesn't work unless you have purchased the PHB on D&D Beyond. The actual text is PHB p164.
1) "EXTRA ATTACK If you gain the Extra Attack class feature from more than one class, the features don't add together. You can't make more than two attacks with this feature unless it says you do (as the fighter's version of Extra Attack does). Similarly, the warlock's eldritch invocation Thirsting Blade doesn't give you additional attacks if you also have Extra Attack."
So all versions of Extra Attack including Thirsting Blade do NOT stack. In your case, you get to choose something other than thirsting blade.
2) Lance 10 gp 1d12 piercing 6 lb. Reach, special
"Lance. You have disadvantage when you use a lance to attack a target within 5 feet of you. Also, a lance requires two hands to wield when you aren't mounted."
"You can use two-weapon fighting even when the one handed melee weapons you are wielding aren't light."
"TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand."
So, you could possibly dual wield lances if you have the dual wielder feat and you are mounted. However, since it needs two hands when you are on the ground, they can't be dual wielded when not mounted even with the dual wielder feat.
You will also always have disadvantage when trying to attack adjacent targets.
Honestly, the average 2 extra damage on a hit (over a d8 one handed weapon) isn't worth the disadvantage at 5' or the inability to use two weapons when you aren't mounted.
3) Finally, as you note, Thirsting Blade is NOT exactly the same as extra attack. It does not stack with extra attack but instead of giving you an extra attack during the attack action that you could use with any weapon or to shove/grapple ... Thirsting blade gives you one more attack only with your warlock pact weapon.
This is important for characters like hexblades where they can have a bonded hex warrior weapon in addition to their pact weapon. However, all blade pact warlocks do NOT get an extra attack with their hex weapon or any other weapon, they only get an extra attack with their pact weapon so Thirsting blade is much more limiting than the extra attack feature.
Hey! I'm making a level 5 Fighter/level 5 Warlock, Variant Human character and I've chosen Pact of the Blade as my Pact Boon and Dual Wielder as my Variant Human feat. I started out as a fighter, which gives me two martial weapons(I chose lances for both), and I can use two-weapon fighting with the lances as part of my Dual Wielder feat. After I get the first extra attack from my fighter class, I'm going to hop over to Warlock for 5 levels and get thirsting blade as one of my invocations. However, there is one slight problem. Thirsting Blade works the same as Extra Attack, but Thirsting Blade specifically says "You can attack with your pact weapon twice, instead of once, whenever you take the Attack action on your turn." From my point of view, Thirsting Blade doesn't apply to all weapons like Extra Attack does, but instead JUST your pact weapon. It also means that for every action that is used to attack with my pact weapon, I can make an additional attack with it as well.
This means that I could Attack with my pact weapon(lance 1), use Thirsting Blade to attack again with my pact weapon, use a bonus action to use two weapon fighting with my other lance(lance 2), use Extra Attack with my other lance, use Action Surge to Attack with my pact weapon, giving me another attack with my pact weapon, and then use two-weapon fighting with my other lance. I'm probably wrong about how this works, but that's 7
attacks at level 10! LEVEL 10! If I get my Fighter level to at least level 11, that's at least 8 attacks in one round. Think of with all the Eldritch Invocations, magic items, and feats, HOW MUCH DAMAGE WOULD THAT DO? Again, please give me your opinion on how the heck Extra Attack and Thirsting Blade work together, because if I'm right about this, there might be a new most op multiclass combo. But hey, I'm just a teen, so all you adults probably understand this stuff better than me.The three teachings of Tyre:
Nothing is forbidden.
Nothing is sacred.
Nothing is impossible.
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It definitely doesn't mean that. If it actually said you can make an "additional attack", then I might agree with you. Instead it says you can attack twice when you take the attack action. Whether looking at Extra Attack or Thirsting Blade, both say you can attack twice when you take the attack action so there's no stacking.
To attack with an off-hand weapon, you have to use a bonus action. That is to say you do not take the "attack action" when you make that attack and so that bonus action attack doesn't qualify for either Thirsting Blade or Extra Attack. You only get one bonus action for your turn.
You can use the attack action for 2 attacks. If you have the dual wielder feat, are mounted, and wielding a lance in each hand, you can make an attack with your bonus action. You can also action surge to take the attack action again for 2 more attacks. When you use action surge you don't get another bonus action so that's the end of your actions.
Alright, this makes much more sense to me now. Thank you for the help!
The three teachings of Tyre:
Nothing is forbidden.
Nothing is sacred.
Nothing is impossible.
Also I stan Tomoe for life
First, unless you are mounted all the time, you can’t dual wield lances. Lances specifically say you need two hands to use when not mounted.
The second you get off your horse (or whatever), they become a two handed weapon and are not covered by the dual weilder feat.
That said, once you change to some one handed weapon or another, this would be how it works.
When you use the attack action, you can attack twice. That’s it, twice. Getting an extra attack from multiple sources does not stack, so you can either have two attacks from fighter 5, or two from the thirsting blade invocation, but not three. The only way to get three attacks is fighter 11. Dual wielding would then allow a bonus action attack with your off hand, so three attacks total on your turn.
Basically, thirsting blade is not useful if you’ve already hit level 5 in a class that gives you an extra attack.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/phb/customization-options#ClassFeatures
That should be the link that verifies what Xalthu said. You do have to scroll down a little. Its on page 164 of the PHB.
The good news is that you'll have an invocation that you weren't planning for since you don't need Thirsting Blade. Devil's Sight, Fiendish Vigor, and One with the Shadows are options that you haven't taken that may be on point for your build. Agonizing Blast, Repelling Blast, Grasp of Hadar, and Lance of Lethargy are the general suite of Eldritch Blast invocations and are all useful in their own ways. Eldritch Sight provides great utility. There are more from XGTE that I haven't mentioned that may also be helpful.
Unfortunately the above link doesn't work unless you have purchased the PHB on D&D Beyond. The actual text is PHB p164.
1) "EXTRA ATTACK
If you gain the Extra Attack class feature from more than one class, the features don't add together. You can't make more than two attacks with this feature unless it says you do (as the fighter's version of Extra Attack does). Similarly, the warlock's eldritch invocation Thirsting Blade doesn't give you additional attacks if you also have Extra Attack."
So all versions of Extra Attack including Thirsting Blade do NOT stack. In your case, you get to choose something other than thirsting blade.
2) Lance 10 gp 1d12 piercing 6 lb. Reach, special
"Lance. You have disadvantage when you use a lance to attack a target within 5 feet of you. Also, a lance requires two hands to wield when you aren't mounted."
"You can use two-weapon fighting even when the one handed melee weapons you are wielding aren't light."
"TWO-WEAPON FIGHTING
When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand."
So, you could possibly dual wield lances if you have the dual wielder feat and you are mounted. However, since it needs two hands when you are on the ground, they can't be dual wielded when not mounted even with the dual wielder feat.
You will also always have disadvantage when trying to attack adjacent targets.
Honestly, the average 2 extra damage on a hit (over a d8 one handed weapon) isn't worth the disadvantage at 5' or the inability to use two weapons when you aren't mounted.
3) Finally, as you note, Thirsting Blade is NOT exactly the same as extra attack. It does not stack with extra attack but instead of giving you an extra attack during the attack action that you could use with any weapon or to shove/grapple ... Thirsting blade gives you one more attack only with your warlock pact weapon.
This is important for characters like hexblades where they can have a bonded hex warrior weapon in addition to their pact weapon. However, all blade pact warlocks do NOT get an extra attack with their hex weapon or any other weapon, they only get an extra attack with their pact weapon so Thirsting blade is much more limiting than the extra attack feature.