Would Blindfighting work to offset the disadvantage of Sunlight Sensitivity? I mean, you just close your eyes for most of the fight, and as long as they are within 10 feet it should be good right?
RAW it's still No, houserules can be made in any way people want since it's houserules.
And consider this, in a really sunny summer day, close your eyes and look up at the sun. Is it still very bright? YES. And you don't have super sensitive eyes of a drow. So for them it would be even worse. Closing your eyes wouldn't be enough.
Edit: not even a blindfold or sunglasses would be enough, since you wouldn't want to look straight up at the sun even with that if it's strong enough and we still don't have those super sensitive eyes. So... consider that.
Depends on how good the blindfold. And we are talking about reflected light. If you can look directly into the sun, the sunlight is hitting your eyes directly.
Furthermore, the sunlight sensitivity talks about viewer or target being in direct sunlight. If you and they are each shaded by a tree or other shelter, the sun off the ground between the two bodies of shade does not affect the viewing or attack.
Well, the point was that sunlight goes through some things even though they block the sun. But you're right, it was bad examples.
Consider instead the reflected light on for instance snow, a sunny winters day will keep you blinded no matter where you look more or less. Sure you can put on sunshades and squint your eyes but it can still be straining for the eyes.
Anyways, It's a weakness, a racial weakness. It's supposed to be a big thing. Since they see twice as far as a normal human in dim light it's reasonable to presume they have at least twice the ability of a human to make use of the actual light in an area. This is without even counting their ability to see in regular darkness. It's reasonable to assume that because of this, the things I brought up would be a big thing for a drow. If taking blindfighting and closing your eyes was enough, it wouldn't be much of a flaw.
The reason I brought it up wasn't to be an a-hole, just that it shouldn't be EASY. And if you're trying to go around the rules of one of the few races with any actual weakness, you should at least need to do it properly :p and just closing your eyes shouldn't be enough.
It's kinda a "both having the cake and eating it" situation.
And in addition, if you use the "close your eyes and use blind fighting" to see in melee, any ranged attacks (including spells) should have advantage against you, since you are "blind" and can't see them targeting and attacking you. Well, ranged attacks from 15' and more of course, since you can effectively see within 10'.
Now, it might sound like I'm against this whole idea or something but that's not the case. I think it's kinda cool, even closing your eyes and fighting would be kinda cool and if you don't abuse this by only closing your eyes while attacking then opening them to prevent advantage against you, I'd probably allow it even though I don't think that's how it would really work or that it's written that way. But by then it's pretty much a house rule anyways.
It's a flaw, it's supposed to be a flaw and if you play it like it's still a flaw, just in another way (ie not trying to claim you only close your eyes when you're attacking but have them open vs ranged attacks) I don't see the problem. If you also take some monk levels (3) and get deflect missiles it would be even cooler.
Well needing to have both blind fighting (which normally only has a 10' range) and blinding oneself are non-trivial limitations to get around it, don't you think? You are ignoring the down sides to the solution.
How am I ignoring the downsides? Not following, sorry :)
Raw it gives limitations, logically it makes sense it's not very easy to ignore this since even for humans in the real world it can be tricky to get around how blinding the sun can be and considering this the limitations for someone with better eyesight and sensitivity to light makes sense. Either way, like I said, the real downside would still be that attacks outside those 10' should get advantage against the "blinded" person... But since they lose other advantages that kinda would even out.
Only closing your eyes would be a trivial downside though, especially if used like i mentioned where you only close your eyes while attacking to avoid the other disadvantages of doing this.
And finally I did mention that house rules is a thing more or less.
Would Blindfighting work to offset the disadvantage of Sunlight Sensitivity? I mean, you just close your eyes for most of the fight, and as long as they are within 10 feet it should be good right?
RAW it's still No, houserules can be made in any way people want since it's houserules.
And consider this, in a really sunny summer day, close your eyes and look up at the sun. Is it still very bright? YES. And you don't have super sensitive eyes of a drow. So for them it would be even worse. Closing your eyes wouldn't be enough.
Edit: not even a blindfold or sunglasses would be enough, since you wouldn't want to look straight up at the sun even with that if it's strong enough and we still don't have those super sensitive eyes. So... consider that.
Depends on how good the blindfold. And we are talking about reflected light. If you can look directly into the sun, the sunlight is hitting your eyes directly.
Furthermore, the sunlight sensitivity talks about viewer or target being in direct sunlight. If you and they are each shaded by a tree or other shelter, the sun off the ground between the two bodies of shade does not affect the viewing or attack.
Well, the point was that sunlight goes through some things even though they block the sun. But you're right, it was bad examples.
Consider instead the reflected light on for instance snow, a sunny winters day will keep you blinded no matter where you look more or less. Sure you can put on sunshades and squint your eyes but it can still be straining for the eyes.
Anyways, It's a weakness, a racial weakness. It's supposed to be a big thing. Since they see twice as far as a normal human in dim light it's reasonable to presume they have at least twice the ability of a human to make use of the actual light in an area. This is without even counting their ability to see in regular darkness. It's reasonable to assume that because of this, the things I brought up would be a big thing for a drow. If taking blindfighting and closing your eyes was enough, it wouldn't be much of a flaw.
The reason I brought it up wasn't to be an a-hole, just that it shouldn't be EASY. And if you're trying to go around the rules of one of the few races with any actual weakness, you should at least need to do it properly :p and just closing your eyes shouldn't be enough.
It's kinda a "both having the cake and eating it" situation.
And in addition, if you use the "close your eyes and use blind fighting" to see in melee, any ranged attacks (including spells) should have advantage against you, since you are "blind" and can't see them targeting and attacking you. Well, ranged attacks from 15' and more of course, since you can effectively see within 10'.
Now, it might sound like I'm against this whole idea or something but that's not the case. I think it's kinda cool, even closing your eyes and fighting would be kinda cool and if you don't abuse this by only closing your eyes while attacking then opening them to prevent advantage against you, I'd probably allow it even though I don't think that's how it would really work or that it's written that way. But by then it's pretty much a house rule anyways.
It's a flaw, it's supposed to be a flaw and if you play it like it's still a flaw, just in another way (ie not trying to claim you only close your eyes when you're attacking but have them open vs ranged attacks) I don't see the problem. If you also take some monk levels (3) and get deflect missiles it would be even cooler.
Well needing to have both blind fighting (which normally only has a 10' range) and blinding oneself are non-trivial limitations to get around it, don't you think? You are ignoring the down sides to the solution.
How am I ignoring the downsides? Not following, sorry :)
Raw it gives limitations, logically it makes sense it's not very easy to ignore this since even for humans in the real world it can be tricky to get around how blinding the sun can be and considering this the limitations for someone with better eyesight and sensitivity to light makes sense. Either way, like I said, the real downside would still be that attacks outside those 10' should get advantage against the "blinded" person... But since they lose other advantages that kinda would even out.
Only closing your eyes would be a trivial downside though, especially if used like i mentioned where you only close your eyes while attacking to avoid the other disadvantages of doing this.
And finally I did mention that house rules is a thing more or less.
closing your eyes during combat is certainly not trivial. Blindfighting only gives a 10' radius blindsight, and without your eyes open you would be completely blind (disadvantage on attacks, others have advantage to hit you) beyond that radius.
I had always assumed the sensitivity was more than just sight but an actual aversion to sunlight but I can't find much to back up my ideas....
It seems to be firmly in the realm of DM decision but I could be wrong.
Historically -- as in pre-5th edition -- sunlight was physically harmful to at least some of these creatures. Drow, I believe, at one point, lost their racial abilities if exposed to sunlight.
Would Blindfighting work to offset the disadvantage of Sunlight Sensitivity? I mean, you just close your eyes for most of the fight, and as long as they are within 10 feet it should be good right?
RAW it's still No, houserules can be made in any way people want since it's houserules.
And consider this, in a really sunny summer day, close your eyes and look up at the sun. Is it still very bright? YES. And you don't have super sensitive eyes of a drow. So for them it would be even worse. Closing your eyes wouldn't be enough.
Edit: not even a blindfold or sunglasses would be enough, since you wouldn't want to look straight up at the sun even with that if it's strong enough and we still don't have those super sensitive eyes. So... consider that.
Depends on how good the blindfold. And we are talking about reflected light. If you can look directly into the sun, the sunlight is hitting your eyes directly.
Furthermore, the sunlight sensitivity talks about viewer or target being in direct sunlight. If you and they are each shaded by a tree or other shelter, the sun off the ground between the two bodies of shade does not affect the viewing or attack.
Well, the point was that sunlight goes through some things even though they block the sun. But you're right, it was bad examples.
Consider instead the reflected light on for instance snow, a sunny winters day will keep you blinded no matter where you look more or less. Sure you can put on sunshades and squint your eyes but it can still be straining for the eyes.
Anyways, It's a weakness, a racial weakness. It's supposed to be a big thing. Since they see twice as far as a normal human in dim light it's reasonable to presume they have at least twice the ability of a human to make use of the actual light in an area. This is without even counting their ability to see in regular darkness. It's reasonable to assume that because of this, the things I brought up would be a big thing for a drow. If taking blindfighting and closing your eyes was enough, it wouldn't be much of a flaw.
The reason I brought it up wasn't to be an a-hole, just that it shouldn't be EASY. And if you're trying to go around the rules of one of the few races with any actual weakness, you should at least need to do it properly :p and just closing your eyes shouldn't be enough.
It's kinda a "both having the cake and eating it" situation.
And in addition, if you use the "close your eyes and use blind fighting" to see in melee, any ranged attacks (including spells) should have advantage against you, since you are "blind" and can't see them targeting and attacking you. Well, ranged attacks from 15' and more of course, since you can effectively see within 10'.
Now, it might sound like I'm against this whole idea or something but that's not the case. I think it's kinda cool, even closing your eyes and fighting would be kinda cool and if you don't abuse this by only closing your eyes while attacking then opening them to prevent advantage against you, I'd probably allow it even though I don't think that's how it would really work or that it's written that way. But by then it's pretty much a house rule anyways.
It's a flaw, it's supposed to be a flaw and if you play it like it's still a flaw, just in another way (ie not trying to claim you only close your eyes when you're attacking but have them open vs ranged attacks) I don't see the problem. If you also take some monk levels (3) and get deflect missiles it would be even cooler.
Well needing to have both blind fighting (which normally only has a 10' range) and blinding oneself are non-trivial limitations to get around it, don't you think? You are ignoring the down sides to the solution.
How am I ignoring the downsides? Not following, sorry :)
Raw it gives limitations, logically it makes sense it's not very easy to ignore this since even for humans in the real world it can be tricky to get around how blinding the sun can be and considering this the limitations for someone with better eyesight and sensitivity to light makes sense. Either way, like I said, the real downside would still be that attacks outside those 10' should get advantage against the "blinded" person... But since they lose other advantages that kinda would even out.
Only closing your eyes would be a trivial downside though, especially if used like i mentioned where you only close your eyes while attacking to avoid the other disadvantages of doing this.
And finally I did mention that house rules is a thing more or less.
closing your eyes during combat is certainly not trivial. Blindfighting only gives a 10' radius blindsight, and without your eyes open you would be completely blind (disadvantage on attacks, others have advantage to hit you) beyond that radius.
If you read what I actually wrote it would make the discussion easier mate ;) you pretty much just copied what I already wrote there.
As for the trivial part I said and explained and meant that it's a racial disadvantage that gives them an incredibly long range darkvision, twice that of anyone else. And they get rid of the penalty by blinking.
It's basically like saying that the orcs, who in previous editions got a penalty on intelligence could get around it by simply thinking. I mean... They removed 99.9% of all negatives in 5e because apparently it's so horrible for players, yet they still decided that a few few few races have a penalty on something. And all they have to do is close their eyes and poof it's gone? That's trivial to me. It's a VERY easy solution to something that they decided was so good they would keep the penalty for despite removing it from almost all of the game. If closing your eyes worked, then sunglasses would work as well, and hey, then you're not even blind so you could even see!
Also, like I said, it would especially be a problem because you could just say you close your eye just when you attack, negating the penalty when attacking and avoiding the penalty when being attacked by arrows. And I even said, as long as they accept the idea that if they don't get the penalty for attacking, they should get the penalty for being attacked instead (because of blinded) then it would be a fair trade. This is when you said the same thing (and I had already said it twice, which you obviously didn't read).
Anyways, yeah, by RAW it doesn't work, it comes with other penalties and blah blah, if you want to house rule it, what's stopping you? Not me for sure, I even said it's cool.
That is JUST a mask though. And they seem to be suggesting the Drow still be able to see through it and the exact situation not described (I.E. whether the Drow in question is also in direct sunlight or not). Darkvision does not allow one to see through walls, so would not allow one to see through a blindfold.
He's basically saying that it's a reaction to the sunlight, not a reaction to seeing the sunlight. Kinda like how some people break out in hives or can get rashes from UV exposure.
Actually the use of sight requires a reflection of light going into your eyes so looking at someone outside in the sun would be light from the sun right into your eyes, while being in a cavern and using a torch would be light from the torch reflected.
In fact, "realistically" being invisible would make you blind because it would involve some kind of light projection/bending around you, which would stop the light from going into your eyes, which would mean you're blind. Just a sidenote though ;)
Yeah, to me that justification (akin to allergic reaction) would require Sunlight Sensitivity to impose much greater penalties, including possibly some form of radiant damage, rather than a few sight based ones
as someone who gets hives on occasion, they’re a big deal.
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I had always assumed the sensitivity was more than just sight but an actual aversion to sunlight but I can't find much to back up my ideas....
It seems to be firmly in the realm of DM decision but I could be wrong.
How am I ignoring the downsides? Not following, sorry :)
Raw it gives limitations, logically it makes sense it's not very easy to ignore this since even for humans in the real world it can be tricky to get around how blinding the sun can be and considering this the limitations for someone with better eyesight and sensitivity to light makes sense. Either way, like I said, the real downside would still be that attacks outside those 10' should get advantage against the "blinded" person... But since they lose other advantages that kinda would even out.
Only closing your eyes would be a trivial downside though, especially if used like i mentioned where you only close your eyes while attacking to avoid the other disadvantages of doing this.
And finally I did mention that house rules is a thing more or less.
closing your eyes during combat is certainly not trivial. Blindfighting only gives a 10' radius blindsight, and without your eyes open you would be completely blind (disadvantage on attacks, others have advantage to hit you) beyond that radius.
Historically -- as in pre-5th edition -- sunlight was physically harmful to at least some of these creatures. Drow, I believe, at one point, lost their racial abilities if exposed to sunlight.
Duergar still do!
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If you read what I actually wrote it would make the discussion easier mate ;) you pretty much just copied what I already wrote there.
As for the trivial part I said and explained and meant that it's a racial disadvantage that gives them an incredibly long range darkvision, twice that of anyone else. And they get rid of the penalty by blinking.
It's basically like saying that the orcs, who in previous editions got a penalty on intelligence could get around it by simply thinking. I mean... They removed 99.9% of all negatives in 5e because apparently it's so horrible for players, yet they still decided that a few few few races have a penalty on something. And all they have to do is close their eyes and poof it's gone? That's trivial to me. It's a VERY easy solution to something that they decided was so good they would keep the penalty for despite removing it from almost all of the game. If closing your eyes worked, then sunglasses would work as well, and hey, then you're not even blind so you could even see!
Also, like I said, it would especially be a problem because you could just say you close your eye just when you attack, negating the penalty when attacking and avoiding the penalty when being attacked by arrows. And I even said, as long as they accept the idea that if they don't get the penalty for attacking, they should get the penalty for being attacked instead (because of blinded) then it would be a fair trade. This is when you said the same thing (and I had already said it twice, which you obviously didn't read).
Anyways, yeah, by RAW it doesn't work, it comes with other penalties and blah blah, if you want to house rule it, what's stopping you? Not me for sure, I even said it's cool.
By RAW, depends on one's interpretation. By RAI, no.
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He's basically saying that it's a reaction to the sunlight, not a reaction to seeing the sunlight. Kinda like how some people break out in hives or can get rashes from UV exposure.
Of course, that doesn't account for the case where the drow is in shadow attacking a sunlit target, though it does account for the reverse.
Actually the use of sight requires a reflection of light going into your eyes so looking at someone outside in the sun would be light from the sun right into your eyes, while being in a cavern and using a torch would be light from the torch reflected.
In fact, "realistically" being invisible would make you blind because it would involve some kind of light projection/bending around you, which would stop the light from going into your eyes, which would mean you're blind. Just a sidenote though ;)
Yeah, to me that justification (akin to allergic reaction) would require Sunlight Sensitivity to impose much greater penalties, including possibly some form of radiant damage, rather than a few sight based ones
as someone who gets hives on occasion, they’re a big deal.