At the very least, the Hells are the ultimate Lawful Evil hierarchy; one way or another a verdict will be reached about who gets to count your soul against their quota if you just try to play classic D&D Devils off against one another.
I haven't seen anything in 5E about that, but in older editions that trick wouldn't work: swearing your soul to a fiend left a mark that other fiends could see and know that the soul was already claimed.
Valid point, but remember, there are exceptions to every rule, especially if a DM wants there to be, lol.
I haven't seen anything in 5E about that, but in older editions that trick wouldn't work: swearing your soul to a fiend left a mark that other fiends could see and know that the soul was already claimed.
Valid point, but remember, there are exceptions to every rule, especially if a DM wants there to be, lol.
A nice blurb that also makes any "how does this work" lore discussion completely pointless, and so is not exactly helpful in such dialogues.
I haven't seen anything in 5E about that, but in older editions that trick wouldn't work: swearing your soul to a fiend left a mark that other fiends could see and know that the soul was already claimed.
Valid point, but remember, there are exceptions to every rule, especially if a DM wants there to be, lol.
A nice blurb that also makes any "how does this work" lore discussion completely pointless, and so is not exactly helpful in such dialogues.
Actually. Not this, but there IS a lord of hell that's about contracts (i think it's beelzebub), and his deal is that he THOROUGHLY enjoys finding loopholes and ways out of other contracts, but generally it means you're now in a contract with him.
There's also a thing about him or another (though I think it's him) where he is absolutely COMPELLED to make perfectly legitimate deals but nobody trusts him or makes deals with him out of feat of betrayal.
The ultimate goal for a devil is always power. Souls are a means to that end, but they are not the only means. Territory, favor, influence... these can also lead to power.
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Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider. My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong. I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲 “It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
I haven't seen anything in 5E about that, but in older editions that trick wouldn't work: swearing your soul to a fiend left a mark that other fiends could see and know that the soul was already claimed.
Valid point, but remember, there are exceptions to every rule, especially if a DM wants there to be, lol.
A nice blurb that also makes any "how does this work" lore discussion completely pointless, and so is not exactly helpful in such dialogues.
It is an extremely valid point. We can talk shop, and how we like things or others think the lore goes this way or that. However, it really comes down to your table! At your table it is your story, and you can do anything you like. We honestly can't even discuss lore without reminding people, that the lore is a great guide, and to use it whenever you can if you want to help keep things simple. But in the end, it is still up to the DM on how the story is told. I may enjoy the lore, and talk in-depth about it. But I still leave it to the DM to decide how they want to process that lore for their own game! If a DM really wants, they could promote Lilith to Hell's top AG! lol Which now gives me an interesting idea for a story, based on treating the 9 layers as a TV reality courtroom drama show!!!!
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I am not sure what my Spirit Animal is. But whatever that thing is, I am pretty sure it has rabies!
I haven't seen anything in 5E about that, but in older editions that trick wouldn't work: swearing your soul to a fiend left a mark that other fiends could see and know that the soul was already claimed.
Valid point, but remember, there are exceptions to every rule, especially if a DM wants there to be, lol.
A nice blurb that also makes any "how does this work" lore discussion completely pointless, and so is not exactly helpful in such dialogues.
It is an extremely valid point. We can talk shop, and how we like things or others think the lore goes this way or that. However, it really comes down to your table! At your table it is your story, and you can do anything you like. We honestly can't even discuss lore without reminding people, that the lore is a great guide, and to use it whenever you can if you want to help keep things simple. But in the end, it is still up to the DM on how the story is told. I may enjoy the lore, and talk in-depth about it. But I still leave it to the DM to decide how they want to process that lore for their own game! If a DM really wants, they could promote Lilith to Hell's top AG! lol Which now gives me an interesting idea for a story, based on treating the 9 layers as a TV reality courtroom drama show!!!!
Except when someone is asking for lore, that presumably means they do not wish to make it all up themselves, either because they’re attempting to work within the scope of an official setting or simply because they prefer using existing lore to winging it.
I haven't seen anything in 5E about that, but in older editions that trick wouldn't work: swearing your soul to a fiend left a mark that other fiends could see and know that the soul was already claimed.
Valid point, but remember, there are exceptions to every rule, especially if a DM wants there to be, lol.
A nice blurb that also makes any "how does this work" lore discussion completely pointless, and so is not exactly helpful in such dialogues.
It is an extremely valid point. We can talk shop, and how we like things or others think the lore goes this way or that. However, it really comes down to your table! At your table it is your story, and you can do anything you like. We honestly can't even discuss lore without reminding people, that the lore is a great guide, and to use it whenever you can if you want to help keep things simple. But in the end, it is still up to the DM on how the story is told. I may enjoy the lore, and talk in-depth about it. But I still leave it to the DM to decide how they want to process that lore for their own game! If a DM really wants, they could promote Lilith to Hell's top AG! lol Which now gives me an interesting idea for a story, based on treating the 9 layers as a TV reality courtroom drama show!!!!
Except when someone is asking for lore, that presumably means they do not wish to make it all up themselves, either because they’re attempting to work within the scope of an official setting or simply because they prefer using existing lore to winging it.
Lots of good info, and many valid points on both sides of the current debate.
To briefly clarify a couple of things:
First, respectfully I am the one who created the post and originally asked for lore here. That said, many are interested.
Second, I made my comment to remember that a DM decides, simply because of the wording in 6thLyranGuard's post, "that trick wouldn't work", which is very concrete. I appreciate the comment, but I always think it is important to make it clear for new players, etc... that at the end of the day the DM decides. If you think my comment was unnecessary then that is your right, but I will agree to disagree with you on that.
Thanks as always,
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At the very least, the Hells are the ultimate Lawful Evil hierarchy; one way or another a verdict will be reached about who gets to count your soul against their quota if you just try to play classic D&D Devils off against one another.
Valid point, but remember, there are exceptions to every rule, especially if a DM wants there to be, lol.
A nice blurb that also makes any "how does this work" lore discussion completely pointless, and so is not exactly helpful in such dialogues.
Actually. Not this, but there IS a lord of hell that's about contracts (i think it's beelzebub), and his deal is that he THOROUGHLY enjoys finding loopholes and ways out of other contracts, but generally it means you're now in a contract with him.
There's also a thing about him or another (though I think it's him) where he is absolutely COMPELLED to make perfectly legitimate deals but nobody trusts him or makes deals with him out of feat of betrayal.
The ultimate goal for a devil is always power. Souls are a means to that end, but they are not the only means. Territory, favor, influence... these can also lead to power.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
It is an extremely valid point. We can talk shop, and how we like things or others think the lore goes this way or that. However, it really comes down to your table! At your table it is your story, and you can do anything you like. We honestly can't even discuss lore without reminding people, that the lore is a great guide, and to use it whenever you can if you want to help keep things simple. But in the end, it is still up to the DM on how the story is told. I may enjoy the lore, and talk in-depth about it. But I still leave it to the DM to decide how they want to process that lore for their own game! If a DM really wants, they could promote Lilith to Hell's top AG! lol Which now gives me an interesting idea for a story, based on treating the 9 layers as a TV reality courtroom drama show!!!!
I am not sure what my Spirit Animal is. But whatever that thing is, I am pretty sure it has rabies!
Except when someone is asking for lore, that presumably means they do not wish to make it all up themselves, either because they’re attempting to work within the scope of an official setting or simply because they prefer using existing lore to winging it.
Lots of good info, and many valid points on both sides of the current debate.
To briefly clarify a couple of things:
First, respectfully I am the one who created the post and originally asked for lore here. That said, many are interested.
Second, I made my comment to remember that a DM decides, simply because of the wording in 6thLyranGuard's post, "that trick wouldn't work", which is very concrete. I appreciate the comment, but I always think it is important to make it clear for new players, etc... that at the end of the day the DM decides. If you think my comment was unnecessary then that is your right, but I will agree to disagree with you on that.
Thanks as always,