So l have this idea for a character being attacked by a mindflayer,then makeing a deal with a aboleth to 1,see thru his eyes and know all that he knows, and 2,kill any and all flayers he incounters. (thus becomeing a warlock)
my question is: is there a lore based presedent for them to hate/fight eachother,or would l have to come up with a reason my parton hates them?
Edit: l found this quote "By contrast, they were greatly unsettled by the similarly powerful mind flayers, in part because they lacked knowledge of the race's precise origins" from HERE. Unsettled could mean "l want you to kill it",if we use history as a example (or several)
Mind Flayers are one of the few things that aboleths find really disconcerting, in large part because the Flayers just appeared at one point with their society already intact (due to traveling back in time from the future). Since Aboleths can remember everything back to the beginning of time due to their racial memories, this is not something they like. And, of course, the two compete for the same resources in the Underdark.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Mind Flayers are one of the few things that aboleths find really disconcerting, in large part because the Flayers just appeared at one point with their society already intact (due to traveling back in time from the future). Since Aboleths can remember everything back to the beginning of time due to their racial memories, this is not something they like. And, of course, the two compete for the same resources in the Underdark.
I'm not even sure how long that's been established lore about Mind Flayers. They're from the end of time and escaped it by traveling into the past. Goes back to at least 2nd Edition, and likely further than that.
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Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Is it a really old book called the Illithiad? My friend said that that book was pretty cool, but I never actually read it. What you’re saying does put a new perspective on mind flayer history.
I am remembering that the part of coming back in time came from spelljammer. Their race was on the verge of extinction and they gotta get back in time to stop it. I think it may have been supposition by Volo or something. Another person had those books, no way I can check.
Volo's Guide to Monsters does mention that Mindflayers view Aboleths' perfect memory as a manifestation of Maanzecorian - the god of a small sect of Illithid cultists, supposedly leading to many conflicts with them.
In Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations, it mentions that Aboleths have no memory of how the Mindflayers began. (It does not state this this bothered the Aboleths.)
In the MM 3.5e, it says that Aboleths never forget defeat, and in Out of the Abyss, it states that they (among several competing races) were never able to conquer Gauntlgrym from the Illithids (who had conquered it from the Dwarves and eventually lost it to the Champions of the Hall).
In the MM 3e, it says that Aboleths felt that all creation belonged to them. Mixed with prior statements, anything owned by anyone else would be an affront to their "right".
There are grounds for particular hostilities between the two, but such conflicts are common all across the lore for all kinds of reasons. All of existence is vast in D&D, and you can create a particular conflict not yet recorded in lore on your own if you wish.
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Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider. My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong. I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲 “It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
Volo's Guide to Monsters does mention that Mindflayers view Aboleths' perfect memory as a manifestation of Maanzecorian - the god of a small sect of Illithid cultists, supposedly leading to many conflicts with them.
In Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations, it mentions that Aboleths have no memory of how the Mindflayers began. (It does not state this this bothered the Aboleths.)
In the MM 3.5e, it says that Aboleths never forget defeat, and in Out of the Abyss, it states that they (among several competing races) were never able to conquer Gauntlgrym from the Illithids (who had conquered it from the Dwarves and eventually lost it to the Champions of the Hall).
In the MM 3e, it says that Aboleths felt that all creation belonged to them. Mixed with prior statements, anything owned by anyone else would be an affront to their "right".
There are grounds for particular hostilities between the two, but such conflicts are common all across the lore for all kinds of reasons. All of existence is vast in D&D, and you can create a particular conflict not yet recorded in lore on your own if you wish.
This is pretty cool. Thanks.
Imma ask my guy friend. I think he owns Illithiad.
So l have this idea for a character being attacked by a mindflayer,then makeing a deal with a aboleth to 1,see thru his eyes and know all that he knows, and 2,kill any and all flayers he incounters. (thus becomeing a warlock)
my question is: is there a lore based presedent for them to hate/fight eachother,or would l have to come up with a reason my parton hates them?
Edit: l found this quote "By contrast, they were greatly unsettled by the similarly powerful mind flayers, in part because they lacked knowledge of the race's precise origins" from HERE. Unsettled could mean "l want you to kill it",if we use history as a example (or several)
These two races hate each other and compete for territory and slaves in the Underdark (at least in the Forgotten Realms setting). So sure.
Mind Flayers are one of the few things that aboleths find really disconcerting, in large part because the Flayers just appeared at one point with their society already intact (due to traveling back in time from the future). Since Aboleths can remember everything back to the beginning of time due to their racial memories, this is not something they like. And, of course, the two compete for the same resources in the Underdark.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Wow!! Where did you read that?
That was lore from previous editions. As far as I know it hasn't been superseded.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Okay. I mean like what actual book? I wouldn’t mind checking it out in more detail. I never heard of any D&D culture coming from the future.
I'm not even sure how long that's been established lore about Mind Flayers. They're from the end of time and escaped it by traveling into the past. Goes back to at least 2nd Edition, and likely further than that.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
Is it a really old book called the Illithiad? My friend said that that book was pretty cool, but I never actually read it. What you’re saying does put a new perspective on mind flayer history.
Probably. Though I saw it in later sources.
Find your own truth, choose your enemies carefully, and never deal with a dragon.
"Canon" is what's factual to D&D lore. "Cannon" is what you're going to be shot with if you keep getting the word wrong.
I am remembering that the part of coming back in time came from spelljammer. Their race was on the verge of extinction and they gotta get back in time to stop it. I think it may have been supposition by Volo or something. Another person had those books, no way I can check.
Volo's Guide to Monsters does mention that Mindflayers view Aboleths' perfect memory as a manifestation of Maanzecorian - the god of a small sect of Illithid cultists, supposedly leading to many conflicts with them.
In Lords of Madness: The Book of Aberrations, it mentions that Aboleths have no memory of how the Mindflayers began. (It does not state this this bothered the Aboleths.)
In the MM 3.5e, it says that Aboleths never forget defeat, and in Out of the Abyss, it states that they (among several competing races) were never able to conquer Gauntlgrym from the Illithids (who had conquered it from the Dwarves and eventually lost it to the Champions of the Hall).
In the MM 3e, it says that Aboleths felt that all creation belonged to them. Mixed with prior statements, anything owned by anyone else would be an affront to their "right".
There are grounds for particular hostilities between the two, but such conflicts are common all across the lore for all kinds of reasons. All of existence is vast in D&D, and you can create a particular conflict not yet recorded in lore on your own if you wish.
Human. Male. Possibly. Don't be a divider.
My characters' backgrounds are written like instruction manuals rather than stories. My opinion and preferences don't mean you're wrong.
I am 99.7603% convinced that the digital dice are messing with me. I roll high when nobody's looking and low when anyone else can see.🎲
“It's a bit early to be thinking about an epitaph. No?” will be my epitaph.
This is pretty cool. Thanks.
Imma ask my guy friend. I think he owns Illithiad.
I ruled that Mindflayers came from the Spelljammer setting.
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I agree with you.