I don't think it will affect this site at all. However I did find the following very interesting.
Players who already own a physical copy of a Pathfinder sourcebook, or bought a digital copy from Paizo’s webstore, will have to purchase it again on Pathfinder Nexus if they want to read it on the platform. However, the service’s FAQs page says you’ll be offered a “significant discount” on purchasing books you already own by connecting your Paizo account to Nexus.
Heading the creation of Nexus is Adam Bradford, who some D&D fans might recognise as the ‘founder’ of D&D Beyond. “Pathfinder Nexus will give players the kind of support that a dynamic and expansive game like Pathfinder deserves,” Bradford said in a press release.
Well Paizo are selling PDFs, which WOTC never do. I suspect Paizo sell a lot more directly to customers, rather the WOTC who probably sell a lot more through resellers. This means Paizo have a more direct link to knowing which products you've already purchased.
Paizo already have this in place with other pre-existing suppliers, such as LWD (for Hero Lab).
Well Paizo are selling PDFs, which WOTC never do. I suspect Paizo sell a lot more directly to customers, rather the WOTC who probably sell a lot more through resellers. This means Paizo have a more direct link to knowing which products you've already purchased.
Paizo already have this in place with other pre-existing suppliers, such as LWD (for Hero Lab).
Interesting point, I didn't know Paizo did direct sales (the sense that they're staffed similar or bigger than WotC seems to make more sense now, though might be wrong on that). I also sense that these nuanced differences in business models is going to seriously light up this board with "BUT PATHFINDER" threads.
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If it's a discount applicable only to books sold directly by Paizo, that'll undercut local shops even more. Paizo professes to want players to support gaming stores, but their business model is in practice decidedly unfriendly to retailers already. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing a Pathfinder or Starfinder book in any store I've frequented.
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To me, the more interesting of the two was the fact that Adam Bradford is heading up the project for them, but I do expect a lot of "But Pathfinder" in the future.
"If you could do D&D Beyond again, except knowing all the dumb decisions not to make, knowing how the company will be throwing curveballs from the start, and getting paid better for it because you don't have to give all your money to Wizards of the Coast...would you?"
"If you could do D&D Beyond again, except knowing all the dumb decisions not to make, knowing how the company will be throwing curveballs from the start, and getting paid better for it because you don't have to give all your money to Wizards of the Coast...would you?"
Apparently for Adam Bradford, the answer is yes.
Not sure about getting paid better, the number of potental customers is a lot lower even when compared to the D&D player base from back when DDB was conceived. Otherwise though, well... Duh, I guess. ;)
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If it's a discount applicable only to books sold directly by Paizo, that'll undercut local shops even more. Paizo professes to want players to support gaming stores, but their business model is in practice decidedly unfriendly to retailers already. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing a Pathfinder or Starfinder book in any store I've frequented.
My local shop has them, but my local shop does deal a lot more in the pathfinder lines that don't translate to digital, which is the figure booster boxes.
I think the fact is its 2021 going into 2022, you can talk about wanting to support a local game shop all you want but if you aren't going to have a robust digital option you're only doing the majority of your fans a disservice. The fact that they partnered with the guy who basically made digital ********ets a viable option speaks wonders to it. I wouldn't even call it DNDB Beyond Esque. I'd really call it D&D Beyond 2.0. Imagine being able to develop a toolset knowing all the pitfalls you had already gone through, rather than having to continue to work on a toolset with those pitfalls still in place.
So when we all join Pathfinder Nexus, do we take all the same screennames and follow/stan Badeye?
But seriously, never played but am Pathfinder curious just to experience the difference (maybe I'll buy some PDFs), so no real dog in the argument; but I'm wondering: wouldn't Pathfinder Nexus be a more intricate task than DDB? I mean, I thought getting optional class features on board was a sorta a heavy lift here, there are way more class feature options in Pathfinder as I understand it. So sure some lesson's learned from DDB, but it seems the biggest challenges for "Beyonding Pathfinder" are stuff DDB was struggling with and didn't really implement well or at all by the time Adam left (class feature variants, etc. Boons/Gifts outside the "just homebrew a feat" coaching).
My FLGS stocks Pathfinder as does the local Barnes and Noble, I think. Plus is starting again to host painting parties and events.
Suppose that's the real difference. The Nexus team will go in knowing they need to be as flexible as possible, whereas DDB was caught by surprise midway through their product run by D&D suddenly being slightly more flexible than a supercooled iron rod and has had to struggle to catch up every single time Wizards did something that wasn't in the original PHB.
Suppose that's the real difference. The Nexus team will go in knowing they need to be as flexible as possible, whereas DDB was caught by surprise midway through their product run by D&D suddenly being slightly more flexible than a supercooled iron rod and has had to struggle to catch up every single time Wizards did something that wasn't in the original PHB.
I think saying DDB were "caught by surprise" is giving them way too much credit. The DDB team should have known that a modicum of flexibility would be a good thing, and if they didn't, that's a massive failure on the part of their software architects.
I don't think you're suggesting otherwise here, to be clear, I'm just never gonna get off this hill.
Suppose that's the real difference. The Nexus team will go in knowing they need to be as flexible as possible, whereas DDB was caught by surprise midway through their product run by D&D suddenly being slightly more flexible than a supercooled iron rod and has had to struggle to catch up every single time Wizards did something that wasn't in the original PHB.
I think saying DDB were "caught by surprise" is giving them way too much credit. The DDB team should have known that a modicum of flexibility would be a good thing, and if they didn't, that's a massive failure on the part of their software architects.
I don't think you're suggesting otherwise here, to be clear, I'm just never gonna get off this hill.
Well, I can assure you that it was never in the cards to have variant class options. Do you make sure you've got food and a gun and a diamond pickaxe in case you fall into a game of minecraft? No, because you will never expect to fall into a game of minecraft. It makes no sense beforehand - why ever would that happen? You just learn later that you accidentally accepted a deal from a genie to become entrapped in the minecraft world.
Well, I can assure you that it was never in the cards to have variant class options.
Previous editions have shown that as time goes on, more innovative ideas get implemented in D&D rulesets. They couldn't know what to expect, but they certainly should have expected things wouldn't remain simple and straightforward.
But seriously, never played but am Pathfinder curious just to experience the difference (maybe I'll buy some PDFs), so no real dog in the argument; but I'm wondering: wouldn't Pathfinder Nexus be a more intricate task than DDB?
Yes and no. PF2 is a more intricate system, but as has been brought up the developing teams will go in with more knowledge. Knowing is half the battle, as I recall. ;)
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So when we all join Pathfinder Nexus, do we take all the same screennames and follow Badeye?
I will probably join Pathfinder Nexus and definitely use the same screenname if I do.
But seriously, never played but am Pathfinder curious just to experience the difference (maybe I'll buy some PDFs)
I haven't played either (just learning and hoping my next campaign will use it for now), but from what I've read (both content and internet stuff) it's a very good system. And if you just want to see if you like Pathfinder, you might want to use this website instead of buying PDF's:
And yes, it's official and legal. Most people still buy books or PDFs though, to support Paizo.
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But seriously, never played but am Pathfinder curious just to experience the difference (maybe I'll buy some PDFs), so no real dog in the argument; but I'm wondering: wouldn't Pathfinder Nexus be a more intricate task than DDB?
Yes and no. PF2 is a more intricate system, but as has been brought up the developing teams will go in with more knowledge. Knowing is half the battle, as I recall. ;)
So knowing is half the battle and knowing that there's an unknown (known unknown) other half, and I'm now multiplying fractions so in the end you're one quarter victory more than no quarter?
So when we all join Pathfinder Nexus, do we take all the same screennames and follow Badeye?
I will probably join Pathfinder Nexus and definitely use the same screenname if I do.
But seriously, never played but am Pathfinder curious just to experience the difference (maybe I'll buy some PDFs)
I haven't played either (just learning and hoping my next campaign will use it for now), but from what I've read (both content and internet stuff) it's a very good system. And if you just want to see if you like Pathfinder, you might want to use this website instead of buying PDF's:
So when we all join Pathfinder Nexus, do we take all the same screennames and follow Badeye?
I will probably join Pathfinder Nexus and definitely use the same screenname if I do.
But seriously, never played but am Pathfinder curious just to experience the difference (maybe I'll buy some PDFs)
I haven't played either (just learning and hoping my next campaign will use it for now), but from what I've read (both content and internet stuff) it's a very good system. And if you just want to see if you like Pathfinder, you might want to use this website instead of buying PDF's:
And yes, it's official and legal. Most people still buy books or PDFs though, to support Paizo.
Never tried. However, I am eager to learn if there's an equivalent of WotC's lineage reboot.
It's not the same, but all lineages have a free ability boost and no proficiencies (although they all get access to a first level feat that grants a few proficiencies), plus feats not only allow customization but also would let you easily avoid anything you don't want.
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As for trying Pathfinder 2nd edition, I have and the only thing that I can say about it is that its a rather bizarrely setup system. You have 600+ pages of options and rules, so there is a lot of crunch, but once you make all of your decisions about your character, the gameplay itself is very simple and actually extremely linear. Like all those options don't translate to gameplay options, they are just character creation options. Characters, once you make all your character creation selections are extremely limited in what they can do in particular in combat where you have almost no choices to make at all. I mean every time its your turn to act there is one very obvious sequence you must do which is super optimized, anything else you do is not just sub-optimal but almost completely ineffective.
I don't dislike it, I mean it plays fine, but its a really strange setup between huge amounts of character build options and virtually no actual gameplay options once you have made your character building selections.
This is literally the opposite of my experience and the experience I've seen reflected in most other discourse about the system. Gameplay options are the backbone of the system and honestly probably play the biggest role in how the game feels for you (the character choices genuinely barely even matter outside the most macroscopic scale) and one of the biggest differences between it and 5e is that emphasis on tactical choices, because PF2 really wants you to re-evaluate your options round by round compared to how relatively straight forward 5e's combat is.
It's arguably even a weakness of the system, because it encourages a sort of tactical mindset that nudges you to almost treat it like a boardgame, which can come at the expense of character flavor, especially with how tightly tuned some of the modules and adventures are.
So, it looks like Paizo's Pathfinder game will be getting a "DnDBeyond"-esque treatment (https://www.wargamer.com/pathfinder/nexus-launch-dnd-beyond). Does this have any implications for D&D or DnDBeyond?
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I don't think it will affect this site at all. However I did find the following very interesting.
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Well Paizo are selling PDFs, which WOTC never do. I suspect Paizo sell a lot more directly to customers, rather the WOTC who probably sell a lot more through resellers. This means Paizo have a more direct link to knowing which products you've already purchased.
Paizo already have this in place with other pre-existing suppliers, such as LWD (for Hero Lab).
Interesting point, I didn't know Paizo did direct sales (the sense that they're staffed similar or bigger than WotC seems to make more sense now, though might be wrong on that). I also sense that these nuanced differences in business models is going to seriously light up this board with "BUT PATHFINDER" threads.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
If it's a discount applicable only to books sold directly by Paizo, that'll undercut local shops even more. Paizo professes to want players to support gaming stores, but their business model is in practice decidedly unfriendly to retailers already. In fact, I don't recall ever seeing a Pathfinder or Starfinder book in any store I've frequented.
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
To me, the more interesting of the two was the fact that Adam Bradford is heading up the project for them, but I do expect a lot of "But Pathfinder" in the future.
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"If you could do D&D Beyond again, except knowing all the dumb decisions not to make, knowing how the company will be throwing curveballs from the start, and getting paid better for it because you don't have to give all your money to Wizards of the Coast...would you?"
Apparently for Adam Bradford, the answer is yes.
Please do not contact or message me.
Not sure about getting paid better, the number of potental customers is a lot lower even when compared to the D&D player base from back when DDB was conceived. Otherwise though, well... Duh, I guess. ;)
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
My local shop has them, but my local shop does deal a lot more in the pathfinder lines that don't translate to digital, which is the figure booster boxes.
I think the fact is its 2021 going into 2022, you can talk about wanting to support a local game shop all you want but if you aren't going to have a robust digital option you're only doing the majority of your fans a disservice. The fact that they partnered with the guy who basically made digital ********ets a viable option speaks wonders to it. I wouldn't even call it DNDB Beyond Esque. I'd really call it D&D Beyond 2.0. Imagine being able to develop a toolset knowing all the pitfalls you had already gone through, rather than having to continue to work on a toolset with those pitfalls still in place.
So when we all join Pathfinder Nexus, do we take all the same screennames and follow/stan Badeye?
But seriously, never played but am Pathfinder curious just to experience the difference (maybe I'll buy some PDFs), so no real dog in the argument; but I'm wondering: wouldn't Pathfinder Nexus be a more intricate task than DDB? I mean, I thought getting optional class features on board was a sorta a heavy lift here, there are way more class feature options in Pathfinder as I understand it. So sure some lesson's learned from DDB, but it seems the biggest challenges for "Beyonding Pathfinder" are stuff DDB was struggling with and didn't really implement well or at all by the time Adam left (class feature variants, etc. Boons/Gifts outside the "just homebrew a feat" coaching).
My FLGS stocks Pathfinder as does the local Barnes and Noble, I think. Plus is starting again to host painting parties and events.
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Suppose that's the real difference. The Nexus team will go in knowing they need to be as flexible as possible, whereas DDB was caught by surprise midway through their product run by D&D suddenly being slightly more flexible than a supercooled iron rod and has had to struggle to catch up every single time Wizards did something that wasn't in the original PHB.
Please do not contact or message me.
I think saying DDB were "caught by surprise" is giving them way too much credit. The DDB team should have known that a modicum of flexibility would be a good thing, and if they didn't, that's a massive failure on the part of their software architects.
I don't think you're suggesting otherwise here, to be clear, I'm just never gonna get off this hill.
Well, I can assure you that it was never in the cards to have variant class options. Do you make sure you've got food and a gun and a diamond pickaxe in case you fall into a game of minecraft? No, because you will never expect to fall into a game of minecraft. It makes no sense beforehand - why ever would that happen? You just learn later that you accidentally accepted a deal from a genie to become entrapped in the minecraft world.
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Previous editions have shown that as time goes on, more innovative ideas get implemented in D&D rulesets. They couldn't know what to expect, but they certainly should have expected things wouldn't remain simple and straightforward.
Yes and no. PF2 is a more intricate system, but as has been brought up the developing teams will go in with more knowledge. Knowing is half the battle, as I recall. ;)
Want to start playing but don't have anyone to play with? You can try these options: [link].
I will probably join Pathfinder Nexus and definitely use the same screenname if I do.
I haven't played either (just learning and hoping my next campaign will use it for now), but from what I've read (both content and internet stuff) it's a very good system. And if you just want to see if you like Pathfinder, you might want to use this website instead of buying PDF's:
https://2e.aonprd.com/
And yes, it's official and legal. Most people still buy books or PDFs though, to support Paizo.
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So knowing is half the battle and knowing that there's an unknown (known unknown) other half, and I'm now multiplying fractions so in the end you're one quarter victory more than no quarter?
Jander Sunstar is the thinking person's Drizzt, fight me.
Never tried. However, I am eager to learn if there's an equivalent of WotC's lineage reboot.
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It's not the same, but all lineages have a free ability boost and no proficiencies (although they all get access to a first level feat that grants a few proficiencies), plus feats not only allow customization but also would let you easily avoid anything you don't want.
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Well isn't that curious. Sure! That sounds fun.
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This is literally the opposite of my experience and the experience I've seen reflected in most other discourse about the system. Gameplay options are the backbone of the system and honestly probably play the biggest role in how the game feels for you (the character choices genuinely barely even matter outside the most macroscopic scale) and one of the biggest differences between it and 5e is that emphasis on tactical choices, because PF2 really wants you to re-evaluate your options round by round compared to how relatively straight forward 5e's combat is.
It's arguably even a weakness of the system, because it encourages a sort of tactical mindset that nudges you to almost treat it like a boardgame, which can come at the expense of character flavor, especially with how tightly tuned some of the modules and adventures are.